A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
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A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572.
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Lovanii :: Apud Ioannem Foulerum,
Anno 1568.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande.
Catholic Church -- Apologetic works.
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"A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed April 30, 2024.
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Iewel. pag. 248. & 249.
VVhat moueth you M. Harding to make this piteous out crie? VVe chāge not S. Ambroses vvordes, but report them simply, as vve finde them. These they are. Panis & vinum, sunt quae erunt, & in aliud mutantur. The bread and vvine are the same that they vvere, and are changed into another thing.
Harding.
You haue learned this falshed of that false man Beren∣garius. Panis, and vinum are not there, and for that cause Lanfrancus denied those wordes so alleged by Berenga∣rius to be in S. Ambrose. Againe in the Latine al these wordes lacke, whiche you put in English, to witte (the same that they) there is no Latine I say for those wordes. The nominatiue case to, sint, is not bread and wine, but thinges imported by these woordes, quae erant, thinges whiche were. The sense is, the thinges whiche were, be, and be changed into an other thing. Bread and wine were, but they are not any more breade and wine: and yet they are somewhat, to wit, they are that, into whiche they are changed, that is, the body and bloud of Christe. This onely can be the meaning of
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S. Ambrose by the very literal construction of the place, as euery man may see, that is hable, and willing to con∣strue, and parse it. As for M. Iewel, he hath no waie to shifte his handes hereof, auoiding al lying and falsifying. I should be a shamed thus to descende to these Grammare pointes, were I not driuen vnto it by M. Iewelles vntrue dealing.