A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie.

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A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie.
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Stapleton, Thomas, 1535-1598.
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Louanii :: Apud Ioannem Foulerum. An. 1567. Cum priuil.,
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Horne, Robert, 1519?-1580. -- Answeare made by Rob. Bishoppe of Wynchester, to a booke entituled, The declaration of suche scruples, and staies of conscience, touchinge the Othe of the Supremacy, as M. John Fekenham, by wrytinge did deliver unto the L. Bishop of Winchester -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Feckenham, John de, 1518?-1585.
Royal supremacy (Church of England) -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A12940.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 1, 2024.

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Whye good Sir? why make you such post haste? What are you so sone at the ende of the .11. action? Where is the beginning and the midle? where is the .6. Action? Where are the .8. the .9. and the .10. Action? I see your hast is greate: what wil you leape ouer the hedge, ere ye come at it? And I might be so bolde, I woulde fayne demaund of you the cause of your hasty posting. Perhaps there is some eye sore here, or some thing that your stomake cā not beare. What?

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Greaueth yt you to heare, that our Lady was pure from all maner synne? Or doth yt appalle yowe to heare the patriarch of Constantinople, and al the bisshops his obediē¦saries, with the bisshops that were vnder the patriarche of Antioche, after they had heard readen the letters sent from pope Agatho and his Councel at Rome, and aduisedly cō∣sidered them, which (as I haue tolde yowe) were stuffed with authorities concernyng the popes primacy, to yelde to the truth, and after .46. yeares to forsake and abandon their greate schisme and false heresie? Doth it dasel and a∣mase yowe to heare the patriarche of Constantinople to confesse to the whole Councel, that yf the name of Pope Vitalianus were receyued againe into theyre dypticha, which they had raced out, that those which had sondred ād sequestred them selues from the Catholike Churche, woulde forthwithe returne thyther againe, whereunto the Emperour and all the Councell by▪ and by agreed, and therevppon the Councell made manie gratulatorie excla∣mations? And is there anie other way to stay and redresse thys huge schisme in Englande or else where, but euen to put in our Churche bokes the Popes name, and to im∣brace againe hys Authoritie? Or doe ye take yt to the hart M. Horne to see here the pleadinge of Macarius the he∣retyke (which is also M. Iewells and your ordinarie fas∣shion) as pleadinge vppon the doings of heretical Bisshops and Emperours grounding hym self vpon a nomber of pa∣triarches of Constantinople, of Antioche, and diuers other bisshops with theyre Councells, yea vpon the Emperour his father and his great graundfather, teachings and procla∣matiōs, quite reiected and refused? Or is it a corsy vnto you, that the heretical writings of Macarius as sone as they be∣ganne

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to be read, were straight condemned of the bishops, not looking for the Emperours pleasure therein, though he him selfe was then present thereat? Or is there yet anye other lurking sore priuily pynching your stomake? Name∣ly that ye see to your great greef, that the fathers geue vs an assured marke to knowe yowe and M. Iewel by, what ye are, by your wretched wresting and wrething, and mi∣serable chopping and paring the auncient fathers writings: wherein ye are the true schollers of these Monothelites, whose practises are discried in the .6. the .8. the .9. the .10. and the .11. sessions? The allegations of the Popes Legats, being founde truelie, faythfully, and semely done. I trowe it nyp∣ped yowe at the verie hearte roote, when ye reade (in case ye euer reade yt, and haue not trusted rather other mens eies then your owne) the Synode to say, to that cursed and vnhappie Macarius, that it was the property of an heretyke, to nyppe and breake of, to mangle and mayme, the fathers testimo∣nies. And therevppon he being oft taken with the maner, and nowe cōfessing the same, was forthwith depriued, and his bishoply attierment plucked from his backe.

And I would to God, yt might please the Quenes Maie∣sty, and her honorable coūcel to play the Supreame heads as this good Emperour Cōstantinus and his Iudges did, and to make an indifferēt search and vewe: whether the catho∣liks in their late boks, or M. Iewel. M. Horn, ād other their fellowes, play the Macariās or no: and thervppō (euē as M. Horn sayd thēperour Cōstantine did) to geue iust iudgmēt and sentence. Which is a redie and a sownde way for the quailing ād appeasing of this huge scisme. And without the which, books wil excessyuely growe on eche part, and ra∣ther to encrease of cōtentiō, thē to any ful pacificatiō. And

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for my part the fault being fownd (as I dowbte nothing yt wil be) and cōfessed therevppon on theyr part with an har∣ty renūciatiō, of al schisme and heresie, I would not wishe theire riches to be plucked from them: but that they shuld remaine in as good worldly estate as they now are in. This is al the hurt I wish thē. But nowe M. Horn to returne to the matter, ye see that this was but a poore iudgmēt, and a poore selie supremacy, that ye geue to your Emperour ād his nobles. Wherin in effect whil ye would seme to aduāce and exalt thē, ye make theyr office not much better, thē the registers and notaries office. Which office though it be ho∣nest and worshipful to perchaūce, yet I dowbte whether it be honorable: as not many yeares past one of your fellowes and protestāt prelats sayd to one that thowed his Register. I tel thee: my regesters office, is an honorable office. Wel, let yt be honorable to: I suppose for all that, it shal not make hym supreame heade of the Churche withall. And so hath M. Hornes argument a great foyle.

Notes

  • Castitatē Maria san¦ctae ab ōni cōtagioue liberatae et corporis, & animae & intel∣lectus. Act. 8. fo∣lio. 313. Iubetemit¦ti in dypti∣chis san∣ctarū eccle¦siarum no∣men sanc∣tae memo∣riae Vitae∣liani papae Romae. Act. 8. fol. 315. Coniectu∣res whie M Horn hath made this post hast.

  • Act. 11. p. 362. Act. 10. Act. 8 fol. 321. col. 1. c Sancta sy∣nodus di∣xit. Ecce & hoc te∣stimoniū sancti pa∣tris pere∣misti. Nō congruit orthodo∣xis ita cir¦cumtrun∣catas san∣ctorum pa¦trum vo∣ces destora rehaereti¦corū poti{us} proprium hoc est. An hum∣ble and a reasona∣ble re∣queste to the Que∣nes Maie∣sty ād her councell.

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