Some Questions presented to the Papists, and the Pope of Rome, as the Supreme Head of their Church, and commended to their Consideratiou by George Fox.
HOW comes it to pass, that the Pope and Cardinals grant not to the Protestants living in Spain, Italy, and at Rome, that Liberty of Meeting together for the right per∣formming of Divine Worship, which ye your selves enjoy in England, Holland, and other Places, where the Protestants have the chief Power?
Would not the Pope and his Ministers persecute, deliver to the Inquisition and been them, if they should at any Time set up as many Meetings in Spain, Italy, and at Rome, as ye your selves enjoy in many Places in Protestant Countries?
Is the Royal Law of God thus fulfilled, which teacheth, To do to all Men whatsoever we would have done to our selves? Matt. vii. 12. Would ye have those Things done to yon by Protestants, which ye have done to them? But if not; where then are the Royal 〈◊〉〈◊〉 and Gospel among you? God forbid, that we should deny Liberty to any one that ackowledgeth God, and believeth in his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. It seems therefore very strange to us, that the Pope and Papists do deny the same Liberty In the pre-mention'd Places, which they themselves enjoy among the Pratestants; because it not only contrary to Reason but also to Law and Gospel: For the Apostle affirmeth, That he that was born after the Flesh personed him that was born after the Spirit, Gal. iv. 29. Have not the Papists therefore openly shewn in themselves the Fleshly Birth, which is contrary to Reason, Law and Gospel?
2. Where did Chirst or his Apostles ever command Men to Bow themselves to Images, and to Worship them, and keep Holy-days? Where did they commmand Holy-days to be ap∣pointed in Remembrance of themselve, and the same to be H••••••••red? Why do ye not tell us where in the Gospels, Epistles, or in the Revelation, any such Thing was commanded those Churches, which were in the Time of the Apostles and Primitive Christians?
Where, I say, did Christ or his Apostles give Command to Whip, Hang, or Burn Men; or, to speak as gently as may be, at least to imprison any because they dissented from them, and could not adhere to their Religion?
3. Where ever did Christ or his Apostl;es in the primitive Churches command that Can∣dles should be lighted at Noon-day? Well, shew us where it is written, whether it be in the Gospels, or Epistles? Is not therefore the Roman Church degenerated from the Church of the primitive Times? Is she not fallen from Spiritual Weapons to Camal? Hath she not revolted from that Purity and Virginity, wherein she witmessed in Time past Christ to be the Head of the Churches?
4. Did the Churches of ancient Time make Choice of a Private Man, and account him for Head of the Universal Church? Where ever did the Primitive Church command Infants to be sprinkled with Water? Did not Christ say, Teach all Naitions, baptizing them, &c. Matt. xxviii. 19. Ought they not therefore to be taught before they were baptized? Are ye not degenerated from that Faith which Christ is the Author and Finisher of, and which purisieth the Heart, and g•••••••• Victory over Sin, and Evil, which separate from God, amd by which we have Access to God, and wherewith he is well-pleased? Are ye not degenerated from the Light, Truth, Grace, Power, and Spirit, wherein the Apostles were?
5. Have ye not degenerated from the Antient Church, because ye suffer not the People to read the Holy Scripture in their Mother-Tangue? For doth not the Apostle say, And When this Episila is read amongst you, cause that it he read also in the Church of the Laodiceans, Cal. iv. 16. and elsewhere, I charge you by the Lord, that this Epistle be rend unto all the Holy Brethren, i Thes v 27. Yea, did not Christ also say, O Fools, and slow of Heart, to believe all that the Prophets have spoken, Luke xxiv. 25.
How can it posibly be, that your Common People should believe those Things which Christ, the Prophets and Apostles have spoken, unless it be granted them to read or recite the same in their own Tongue, to the End they might both hear and understand them by the Spirit which gave them forth? Why then no ye take away the Use of the Holy Script∣ures from the Common People? Are ye afraid lest the Truth should appear manifest, whereby they might see and believe what is written in the Law and Prophets, and by Christ and his Apostles? Had not the Jews the Law and the Prophets in their Mother-Tongue, that their Children might read them? Ought not therefore all Christiams likewise to have the New-Testament, that makes mention of Christ and his Apostles, in their Mother-Tongue? But if not, why do ye not shew us where Christ and his Apostles have forhidden it?
6. But what do ye not sey of the Saerament of the Altar (as 'tis called?) Why have ye slain many, and burnt others alive in England, France, the Law Countries, and other Places, because they could not approve or receive it? Ye assert it as a Thing certain, that the Bread and Wine, assoon as ye have consecrated them, are made Christ, yea whole Christ, consisting of Soul, Spirit, Flesh, Blood, and Bones. Besides, ye boldly affirm that all who receive that Sa∣crament do receive whole Christ, and that after your Conservation, that very Thing becomes Im∣mortal and Divine.
Wherefore come O Pope, Cardinals and Priests, let us take a Bottle of Wine and a Loaf of Bread, and equally divide the Wine into two Basons, and cut the Bread into two Parts: Then let the Pope, Cardinals or Prists consecrate one Part, which they please; which being done, let us lay up the Consecrated the Unconsecrated together, in some close Place, and secure the same with seven Locks and Keys on your Part, and with as many on ours, both Papists and Protestants keeping Watch over it. But if it plainly appear, that the Consecrated Bread and Wine, are Immortal and Divine, and lose nothing of their Virtue and Sat••••r, nor grow ••••••ldy or sowre, as tho they had been unconsecrated, then we will come over to you: But if they lose their Property, Quailty and Savour, and both Parts of the Bread do alike grow 〈◊〉〈◊〉 then It will be reasonable for you to come over to us, and confess that your Sacra∣ment of the Altar (so called) is neither Christ not his Flesh, nor any thing Immortal or Di∣vine; for his Flesh 〈◊〉〈◊〉 no Corruption, Act ii. 27, 31.—xiii. 35, 37. and his precious Blood, which delivers from Sin and Corruption, cannot be corruptible.
Let Trial then be made hereof; but let Judgment be left to Just and Equal Arbitrators, both Papist and Protestants and that in a Place where the Prpotestants may have the same Power that ye have: For it would be unjust to make this Trial or Expertment, where ye have the whole Administration of the Commonwealth, and an equal Liberty is denied the Protestants. This Thing will make the Thurst manifest, and turn to the Honour of God: For ye have shed Blood upon this Occasion.
Wherefore suffer your Christ whom ye have made, to be tried, that it may be seen whe∣ther he be the True Christ, or Anticrist; whether he be the true God or a False One; For it would be somewhat hard that Bael's Prophets should 〈◊〉〈◊〉 you, for they were willing to have thire God triad, tho' they had before slain many of the People of God, because they would not worship their God; as ye also heve often done
Come ye forth therefore publickly, and make Tryal; that it may appear at length to all Christendom, whether yours he the Divine and Immortal Christ and God, or no. Or is not rather that Mortal and Corruptible Christ, which ye your selves have made, and for whose Sake ye have slain Multitudes of the People of God, because they could not be∣lieve or comply with you?
7. Further, where did Christ or his Apostles ever speak to the Saints, of Purgatory, where∣in Men should he purged from their Sins after Death? Shew us where it it written in the New-Testament. Is it not therefore a plain denying, that Christ Blood purgeth from all Sin, to tell the People a Fable of a certain Purgatory to purge them from Sins after Death? Is it not likewise a Denying of Christ's Baptism with the Holy Spirit, and of Spiritnal Cir∣cumcision, and Faith in Christ, which, purgeth in this Life, and giveth the Victory?
Did not Christ answer some that desired Fire might come down from Heaven and con¦sume those that would not receive him; Ye know not what manner of Spirit ye are of? Did not he rebuke them, saying that he came not to destroy Mens Lives, but to save them? Luke ix 54, 55, 56.
Ye therefore who have destroyed such a vast Number of Men and Women for their Dissenting from you about Rites and Ceremonies, and taken away their Lives by such kind of Instruments, Racks and Fires, as were never sent down from Heaven, but devised and invented by your selves; Are ye not worse than they, who desired Fire to he called from Heaven to destroy Mens Lives? And seeing Christ told them, that they knew not what manner of Spirit they were of, do ye know what manner of Spirit ye are of, who have devised so many Ways and Torments for the killing of Men, and havc actually made use of them.
With what Front ran ye persuade us to commit our Souls Bodies, and Lives to you, who know not of what Spirit ye are Children, neither have the Mind of Christ, who said, He came not to destroy Mens Lives, but to save them
Are ye not all, therefore, as many as take away Mem Lives for Worship devised by you, obnoxious to the Rebuke of Christ? For when did Christ or any of his Apostles ever give Command, or by their Example teach, that any one that was disobedient to them, or re∣jected their Doctrine and Rellgion, should be persecuted and imprisoned, or punished by any Carnal Weapons? Tell as where any thing of this Kind is contained, either in the four Evangelical Histories, or in the Epistles written to the Christian Churches?
Did ever Christ or his Apostles go to the Rope-makers to buy Whips and Halters, to whip and hang Men for dissenting from them, as ye have done? Did they ever go to the Blacksmiths to make Chains, Fetters, Bolts and Locks? Or to the Gunsmiths to buy Guns and Musket? or to the Sword-cutlers, to buy Swords or Halberts? Did they ever build Prisons, or get Holes and Vaults dug, to sorce Men by such Means to their Religion? Shew us an Example and Precept given by Christ or his Apostles, which commands and makes the Use of such Weapons and Instruments lawful.
But if ye cannot make Proof thereof, it is necessary for you to confess and acknowledge, that ye are fallen and degenerated from the true Christian Weapons, which the Apostles and Primitive Christians used, saying, The Weapons of our Warfare not Carnal, but mighty thro' God, that it. Spiritual, 2 Cor. x. 4.