The answer to William Penn Quaker, his book, entituled, The new witnesses proved old hereticks Wherein he is proved to be an ignotant [sic] spater-brain'd Quaker, who knows no more what the true God is, nor his secret decrees, then one of his coach-horses doth, nor so much; for the oxe knoweth his owner, and the ass his masters scrip, but Penn doth not know his maker, as is manifest by the Scriptures, which may inform the reader, if he mind the interpretation of Scripture in the discourse following. I. That God was in the forme, image and likeness of mans bodily shape, as well as his soul from eternity. ... VIII. What is meant by the armour of God, the wilderness, and the wilde beasts I fought with in the wilderness. / By Lodowick Muggleton.

CHAP. X.

Answer, y••u say you have seen living beasts Anatomiz'd: did you ever see the soul of a bea••t after it wa•• cut u••? if you have, whether the soul of the beast w••re s••nsible or no: you mig t see the heart of the beast, but no life nor sense in it, b••cause the soul of the b ast was dead, by Anatomizing it alive they kill••d the soul, and when you saw the beasts hea••t you saw th•• beasts d••ad s••ul: y••u mig•••• bett••r h••ve seen the life and soul ••f the beast w••e•• it was al ve: fo•• wh••n th•• b a••t was alive, it shew••d what the heart, life ••nd soul was, i•• yiel••i••g obedience to its Driv••r, even to be killed: so that a man may bette•• b hold the thought,

purposes and intents of mans heart and soul, while he is alive, and not anatomized; and it is no difficulty to behold the thoughts, purposes and intents of mans heart and soul that is alive; but when a man is anatomized, there will be no thought, purpose nor intent to be found at all, for out of the heart or soul that is a∣l••ve, cometh evil thoughts, murder, adultery, theft and such like.

Here Penn hath shewed his ignorance of t••e soul of man, and knows not what it is n•• more then the beast you have seen anato∣mized alive did know its own soul; but I do kn••w what your soul is, and the thoughts, purposes and intents of your heart and soul by what you have written, for out of th•• abundance of your heart your m••uth hath spoken, such gross ignorance, that i•• is a shame that a man of Learning, a University-man should utter such gross sottish ignorance in rhe course of nature, that canno•• understand that the soul of man, and the souls of all other creatures are gene∣rated with the body, and are ins••parable from the body, and we see the same inerease of men and women by generation every day, as is with the beast and all other creatures, according to Gods holy Ordinance in the beginning, so I shall conclude the Answer to that point.

Penn quotes Socrates, Augustine and Theodorus, that judged this principle to be heresie; these men that l••ved in that da••k time of the world, that were as ignorant of the truth as Penn himself, who gave them Authority to be Judges of her••sies that knew not the truth, nor were not in the truth th••mselves; they would have judged the Apostles doctrine heresies if rhey had lived in their time, therefore what heed is there to be taken what those men in those times judged that had no Commission from God, but let that pass.

Fourthly, that the foul of man is mortal, and that the soul and body go to dust, and resteth there until the general day of Resur∣rection.

Penn saith, it is inconsistent with Scripture; I prove, the fi••st Scripture Penn brings, to prove that the soul of man is not mor∣tal is Gen. 2 7. And the Lord God formed Man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his Nostrils the breath of life, and Man became a living soul; Penns words to this, saith he, If the breath of life made a dead body live, then the priva••ion of the br••ath makes a live body dead. Secondly, Penn saith, this is further proved thus. If it was living breath before it entred into the bo∣dy, it must be living breath after it is withd••awn from the body. Thirdly, Penn saith, though some of those things wh••ch are li∣ving may die, because they live by the borrowed or lent life of another, yet very life as life cannot die; and sai••h, it is impos∣sible that the breath of life, or soul of man ean suffer death, at here understood:

Fourthly, he quotes 1 Kings 17.2••, 21. and Elijah stretched himself over the childe three times, nnd cried and said, O Lord my God I pray thee let this childs soul come into him again; and the Lord heard the voice of Elijah, and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Penns words to this; saith he, if the life was withdrawn when the body lay dead, saith he, but the soul was separated; and when it did return, and had resumed its forsaken dead body, it revived the dead body again, and saith, therefore the soul died not with the body at all. Fifthly, Penn quotes Luke 12.4. B•• not afraid of them that kill the body, and after have no more that they can do: saith Penn to this, if Reeve and Muggleton speak true, then he that kills the body kills the soul too, for he cannot kill the one with∣out the other. Sixrhly, Penn quotes Rev. 6 9. I saw under the Altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and they cried with a loud voice, How long dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell upon the earth.

Penns words to this; saith he, If their souls lived after their bodies were slain, then they did not die together; for they cried for vengeance on the blood-thirsty inhabitants of the world; saith he, therefore souls are not mortal as bodies are; and saith, in short their bodies were slain, their souls were alive; their bodies were in the Grave, their souls under the Altar worshipping God day and night for ever and ever: These are the most consider∣able Scriptures and Arguments Penn doth alledge against the mortality of the soul.

Answer, that this point of the souls mo••tality, and that the life or soul of man doth die, and that man is wh••lly mortal, it hath been sufficiently proved by writing already, both by Scripture and Experience daily amongst us, that might co••vince the heart of any man, except his heart b•• harder then any flint-stone; and the Quakers hearts are more hard then any mans heart upon earth to be convinced, because of that seeming righteousness in outward appearance, hath blinded their eyes, and hardned their hearts, so that no light of life eternal can enter i••to them, not so much as to acknowl••dge themselves convinced, much less converted; but I knowing t••ey are led and guided by the spirit of Antichrist in these last times; I am the better satisfied in their opposition to truth; I am hated of all other religious people as well as of them, and have bin p rsecuted by them, yet they are sooner con∣vinced of what they heard me spe••k, then ever any Quaker was that did not believe me, the••efo e I sh••ll only give the interpre∣tation of those Scr ptures Penn brings to prov••, that the soul is not mortal, nor will not die, and that will Answer all that he hath built upon them.

The first Scripture is Gen. 2 7. And the Lord God formed Man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his Nostrils the breath of life, and Man became a living soul.

Answer, First, that breath of life God breathed into Adam,

which made him become a living soul; it was immortal breath when it came from God, and so was the breath of life in all other creatures; it was given by the immortal Word of God; but this breath of life God breathed into Adam was more particular and peculiar then in any other creature; but God breathed this breath of life into an earthen v••ssel, whereby this breath of life that was immortal as it was in G••d, but being breathed into an earthen ma••, that was made of the earth this immortal breath was mor∣tallized, yet in a perfect innocent state, and so was all other crea∣tures in a p••rf••ct innocent state, not capable of any sorrow or death, but all lived in a Paradisical state, and Peace here on earth, only the man Adam was capable of temptation of the Serpent-Angel without him, b••t not of any temptation within him as we are ever since, being generated and b••gotten we are pa••takers of the Serpent-Angels seed and nature in us, so that the temptation of the devil is now generally within every man, so that this invi∣sible devil which is so f••ared by all people is no where else, but within man; so that man is become an absolute d••vil, as the Scriptures are full to prove but that is not my busine••s n••w, but the matter in hand; Minde, that though Adam was of the earth earthy, and was created in a perfect innocent stat••, and the breath of life that was breathed into him was immortal, as it was in God; but b••ing breathed into an earthen vessel, as I said before, the immortal breath of life was mortallized, yet this perfect in∣nocent state Adam was created in, was as an eternal state to earth∣ly bodies, had he kept in it, beca••se no si kness nor death could have touched him; this state I had once a great desire to attain unto, but it being revealed to me, that no man that is ge∣nerated and begotten, that is Partakers of the Serpents seed in his conception, can attain u••to that state and condition Adam was created in▪ but must unavoidably ••artak•• of the fallen state of Adam, and must die, and in time it w••s revealed unto m•• which way I should attain that eternal estate of Adam in the Kingdom of eternal glo••y ••bove the stars

How••ver, that breath of life God breathed into Adam, it was the breath of the immortal God, and the breath of life in all o∣ther creatures immoreal, so long as Adam stood in obedience to God his Make••, and no death could have touched him, nor no crea∣ture else that God had made, so that Adam and all creatures else sh••uld have liv••d upon this earth for ever, and n•• kind of death should have l••id hold upon any creature, which had the breath of life in it as well as Adam, but by the disobedience of Adam sin entred into the world, and death by sin, so that the immortal and Para••isical state of Adam, and all other creatures that had the breath of life in them, is now become mortal and must die; even the soul of Adam as well as the souls of the beasts must die.

For now Sin was entred into the world, and death by Sin, t••ere∣fore God said, In the day thou eatest there••f thou shalt surely die; Mind, that as soon as sin entred death entred, so that Adams immo••tali∣ty was quite lost; as soon as death entre••, life and immor••ality in Adam and all creatures else must die; in that very day sin en∣tred into Adam, life and immortality was l••st, and became mor∣tality, God d d not say to Adam, Thy b••dy shall surely die, for that was l feless before the breath of life was breathed into it; therefore without dispute that breath of life that ma••e him a li∣ving soul must die; And when the sentence of d••ath entred upon Adams life and soul: Death entred upon the life and soul of all creatur••s God had made who had the breath of life in them.