An vnerrable church or none being a rejoynder to the unerring, unerrable chvrch against Dr. Andrew Sall's repley entituled The catholic apostolic Church of England / written by J.S. ...

III. CHAPTER.

SEVERAL OTHER ATTACKS OF our Doctor against the Saints: the Protestant Kalender of Saints examined.

I Found Aquinas and others, styled by the name of Saints in our D^rs. Ser∣mon; and reioyced to see him retain that respect for their glorious memory; but it soon repented him of his devo∣tion; he learned in Oxford that was not the true Reformed language; the purer Brethren Anabaptists, Presbiterians and Quakers judge it to be Popish; and the D^r. to giue them satisfaction for the scandal they might haue taken at his style; corrects it in his new Book: he was not in earnest, he saies, when he called them Saints; it's but an Honora∣rie title, as the Compiler of London

Gazets calls the Popes, his Holyness.

In the Conclusion of the Vnerring Vnerrable Church I argued, that any wise man tender of his saluation ought to chuse that Church where many Saints eminent for their Virtue and glorious for their Miracles liued and dyed, ra∣ther than that, where neuer any man was knowen eminent for either; as you would chuse to study in a school, where many men eminent for learning were educated, rather than in a school where no learned man was ever knowen: Hence I concluded the Catholic Church ought to be chusen before the Protes∣tant; wheras in that wee reckon so ma∣ny eminently holy and miraculous Saints and D^rs, Aquinas, Bernard, Bona∣venture, Gregory Austin &c. and in this none was euer heard of: Our Doctor answers, our Saints are only Titular ones, no Real Saints; they purchas'd their Titles (saies he pag. 228.) by public Authority as Dukes and Earles do theirs. Is not this a respectfull Child of Gods Church? who pulls down the Pillars of Christianity, and strips them of the honor exhibited to them by the Orthodox world.

I pray Reader if you chance to see

him before he reads this book, ask him his opinion of those Saints recorded in his Protestant Kalender prefixed to the Common Prayer book: are they also but Titular only and no Real Saints? was it by their merits they purchas'd their Titles, or by public Authority as Dukes and Earles did theirs? if this second; ask him what public authority was that? if a Popish authority; how com the Church of England to profane their kalender with the foorberie of Rome, and propose to the respect at least, if not adoration of the flock a company of fellows who are no Real Saints, and place them in the same Catalogue with Christ, his Mother and the Apostles; and the kalender being ordained only for to eternise the memorie of men Eminent in Santitie and virtue, and justly reputed Saints by the Church, how com they to stuff it with men who are not real but Titular only Saints: if it was a Protestant public Autority? & Vos in eadem damnatione est is. Are yee also guilty of that foul practice, as through a vain ostentation of your Churchs holyness to put in your kalen∣der a company of falsly reputed Saints,

who are but Titular ones, and Honorarily called so, as the London Gazet calls the Pope, his Holyness? Are the Saints recorded in the Protestant Kalender truly and Really Saints, or not? if they be not, what a ridiculous thing was't to put them there, more than Cromwell, or Arrius, or Luther; if they were, I'l proue they were Saints of our Church, and consequently proue your Position, that our Saints are only Titular and no Real Saints, to be impious.

You haue in the Month of March in your Kalender, S. Gregorie Pope who liued the year 600. and brought into England, as I related out of your own Historians, Mass, Purgatorie, Tran∣substantiation &c. if he was not à Pa∣pist, ther's none in Rome; and he is a Saint of your Kalender, and yee haue no Titular only, but real Saints, as you say pag. 228. you haue in the same month S. Benedict Monk, who liued the year 540; famous for his Monachism, auste∣rity of life, and Religious order: can the Protestants challenge him to be theirs, who hate Monachism as the De∣uil hates Holy Water. You haue in the same month in your Kalender (but

in ours, its the fifth of Ianuary) S. Ed∣ward king of the Saxons who liued the year 1066. Ancient Cronicles beare witness of his devotion to S. Peter and S. John, his vow of Chastity, his vow of pilgrimage to Rome and the dispen∣sation of this vow granted by the Po∣pe; and the Monastery of Winsmester he built for the Benedictian Friars: was this a Ptotestant Saint think you? yet he must be a real Saint, because he is in your Kalender.

You have in the month of April S. Ri∣chard Bishop of Chichester, who lived the year 1255. he was consecrated Bishop by the Pope himself against all the en∣deauors of king Richard, who sent his Embassador to Rome to ••hinder his consecration; and the king was obliged by the Pope to put him in possession of his Bishoprick: all this smells strongly of Popery: I pray tell vs, why was he put in your Kalender? was it because he was a Bishop? and why were not Cran∣mer, Ridley and Latimer, put there; because he was of an other mold; an Eminent, and not only a Titular Saint.

You haue in your Kalender in the month of May S. Dunstan ArchBishop

of Canterbury who lived the yeare 988. when there was no Protestant, nor any thing like it, he went to Rome to get his Pall from the Pope, which sufficiently evidences he was no Protestant; and a Real Saint he must be, or why should he be put in your Kalender. You haue in the same month S. Anstin Monk, A∣postle of England, sent by S Gregory to preach the Doctrin which now you persecut

You haue in the month of June S. Bo∣niface B. and M. who liued the year 754. he was no Martir of Fox's Kalender; nor did he shed his blood for Luthera∣nism or Protestancy.

You haue in the month of September S. Gyles an Abbot of a Monastery and a Priest: it was his good luck he dyed the year 550. for had he liued till the Reformation he had forfeited many hundred Marks, and his Monasterie too, for the many Masses he said; he liued much in the exercise of corporal austerities, feeding commonly on roots and herbs; lodged many years in a Caue, without any bed but the bare ground; this Saint is nothing like a Child of the Reformation.

You haue in the month of November S. Leonard Confessor who liued the yeare 559. built a Chappel to the ho∣nor of the B. Virgin and consecrated an Altar in it to S. Remigius; these practices sufficiently evidence he was no Protestant; and his being recorded in your Kalender, marks he was a Real Saint, for in your Kalender there is no other. You haue in the same month S. Brice Bishop; Nephew to S. Martin and a Catholic he must haue bin; wheras, being banisht from his Bishopric he had his recours to the Pope for to be reinstalld.

You haue also in the same month S. Hugh Arch Bishop of Canterbury a Car∣thusian Fryar who liued the year 1200. a notorious Papist; not only because he was a Carthusian; but because he was so austere in his manner of liuing and mortificacions, that being made a Bishop he would neuer eat flesh, and euen at his dying houre had no other bed, but the bare ground wheron he caused himself to be laid, wrapt in a haire cloth and ashes.

I know the Nativity of our gratious Soueraign is mentioned in your Kalender

for to mind vs to pray for his long and happy life; also Gounpounder Treason day, for to giue God thanks, for the Pre∣seruation of the king and Parliament against that horrid plot, but why those Saints should be recorded in your Kalender, but for hauing bin men of Eminent and knowen Holyness, and for our example and encouragement to the imitation of their Virtues, you neuer can tell; it would be therefore an im∣piety in you to deny they were true and real Saints, and it would be want of sense and judgment in you to deny they were of the Roman Catholic Church, for how can the Protestants challenge, Carthusians, Monks, Abbots, Bishops consecrated by the Pope, and appea∣ling to him in their greeuances, to be of theirs.

Now if you will act the part of a De∣fender of your Church, (and the credit of it, depends of your good success heerin) you must shew vs, som Saints, or one Saint of knowen publickly repu∣ted Holyness of life and conversation, who cofessedly was a Protestant, and whom wee cannot with any appearance of reason deny to be yours; as you

cannot deny those Monks, Abbots, Carthusians &c. named in your kalen∣der to be ours: you say Fryars Monks and Abbots are superstitious Bigots, and foorbs; for all that, there haue been som of that Profession so honest men, as to haue deserued a place in your ka∣lender; which is a manifest proof, that the Tenor of life which they professed is not superstitious, nor the Tenets of Religion they belieued, are not errors inconsistent with saluation: I pray shew vs any one Minister or Bishop of the Pro∣testant Church, since the beginning of the Reformation; shew vs any of the Image breakers, ryflers of Monasteries, Per∣secutors of Priests and Fryars, believers of Figurative Presence, Scoffers of Indulgences and Purgatorie (this is Protestancy) that was so honest a man as to haue deserued a place in your kalender: and if you can shew none; then the prudent Reader will judge my discours to be good that any wise man tender of his saluation ought to liue and dye in the Catholic Church, where many Emi∣nent and illustrious Saints haue bin; rather than in the Protestant, where neuer any was knowen.

But our reckoning is not at an end D^r; you remember that old charge against your Reformation, neuer yet answered; that your Separation from the Catholic Church was a Spiritual Rebellion, a formal schism: your an∣swer is that the Schism is Causally ours; that by our Idolatry, and many other errors, wee forced you to separat from vs; That wee separated from the Doctrin of Christ, and therefore you separated from vs. But all this appears to be an idle talk without any sense; for, Eminent Saints, glorious for their virtues, Holyness and Miracles, are not to be found, but in the Profession of the true faith of Christ; if therefore in our Church such Saints of knowen Sanctity be found; its a manifest and vndeniable proof, that the true faith of Christ is in our Church: Now I ask you and your Camerades; when did our Church separat from the Doctrin of Christ? som of you say, in the first 300. years; others of you say, that about the first 600. This appears to be manifestly fals; for in the ensuing ages all along vntill the year 1255. (then Richard Bishop of Chichester liued)

there were Eminent Saints of knowen and renowned Holyness and Miracles in our Church; (for all those foremen∣tioned Saints recorded in your kalen∣der were ours as I haue proued) there∣fore the true faith and Doctrin of Christ continued still in our Church, and your Schism is not causally ours, but without any cause yours.

And truly whateuer you may say of your Separation; I cannot imagin how your Church or you will excuse your Ouersight in prefixing that kalen∣der to your Common prayer book: I do not think there could be a more shame∣full reproach to your Church: Qua∣kers were never so tempted to sweare, that this kalender smells more of a Po∣pisn Conspiracy than Gunpounder Trea∣son day; they will neuer belieue but that som Papist had a hand in making it; for can he be a Child of the Reforma∣tion, who pur Gregory Pope, and Austin the Monk in Our Reformed Kalender, for being the first who brought Popery in∣to England; and left out Luther, Cal∣vin, Peter Martyr and others who first preached the Reformation? can he be a Reformed Child, who put Benedict,

and Austin Monks and Hugh a Carthu∣sian Fryar in our Reformed kalender, and in the mean time wee hang men in Tyburn for following their Profes∣sion, and Tenor of life: Either the Reformation had any one Eminent Saint since its first ryse, or not? if it had; why haue not you put him in your kalender? if it had not? had it not been more to the credit of your Church, to haue made no kalender; than by making one, giue fo public a testimony to the world, how poor your Church is of Saints, that to furnish your kalender you must borrow them out of our Bre∣viary: besids D^r, euen for the Refor∣mation of particular Citties, and Pro∣uinces, God makes vse of Holy men, of an exemplar life; and to say that God should haue intrusted the Refor∣mation of the whole Church, to a com∣pany of turbulent Spirits, and not as much as one man in the whole compa∣ny to be of Eminent Holyness, nor exemplar life: its against the grain of Man's reason to belieue it.

Our D^r not content to attack the Ti∣tles of our Saints; coms with a fresh charge against their manner of life: for

I argued in the Conclusion of the Vner∣ring Vnerrable Church, that Christ's Coun∣sels, of forsaking lands, estates, and means, and embracing povertie; was commended, preached, and practis'd in our Chutch, witness the many Reli∣gious Orders, where seueral Persons haue forsaken their plentifull estates; and no such Doctrin was euer preached or practis'd in the Protestant Church; also Christ's Counsel (recommended to vs by S. Pauls Doctrin and example) of corporal Austerities, Disciplins haire∣cloths, sleeping on the bare ground, rysing at midnight to sing Psalms in God's prayse, &c. was and is practis'd frequently by all sexes and ages in our Church; and what Minister or Protes∣tant was euer heard of that ryses at midnight to sing Gods prayses; that disciplins himself, &c. Hence I conclu∣ded, that to be the Church of Christ, which followed his Counsels, and con∣sequently the Catholic to be Christ's Church. Our D^r answers like a good Christian, that our corporal Austerities and mortifications are like to them of Pagans and Heathens, tending to the destruction of Body and Soule; that the

Protestants vse corporal austerities, but discreetly: that our Austerities are desperat and indiscreet. And what Chris∣tian will hear with patience, Christian Austerities vndertaken for the loue of God, and practised by the greatest Saints of the Church; to be lykned by D^r Sall, to the Austerities of Pagans, to be condemn'd as destructiue to Body and Soule? The Austerity of the great Baptist, so much commended in the Ghospell, exceeds far that of our Monks and Fryars; and if theirs be destructiue to Body and Soule, the great Baptist is vndon: the Austerity and Mortifica∣tions of David surpassed far, that of our Monks, Fryars and Nuns; and if these haue destroyed their bodies and Soules by their Mortifications; if their Austerities be indiscreet and desperat; if they be like the austerities of Pagans: in what a condition will Dauid be?

Henceforth I hope, he will not pre∣tend that S. Benedict was a Protestant (tho in his kalender) but a Catholic or a Pagan, for rysing at midnight to the Quire to sing Gods Praises as David did; for his many indiscreet and desperat austerities like them of Pagans; to

which he obliged his Monks by the Ru∣les of his Order. S. Gyles also mentio∣ned in the Protestant kalender must ha∣ue bin a Papist or a Pagan; so indiscreet and desperat he was in his austerities destructive to body and soule, sleeping on the bare ground for many years, feeding on herbs and roots; no Protes∣tant was ever so indiscreet. To conclu∣de, none who forsook silks and sattins for a poore habit; good cheer for a poore portion; pomp and vanity for a retyred and austere life as the great Baptist did, and innumerable of our Church; none I say of them were Pro∣testants, they are not so indiscreet and desperat: D^r Sall indeed was once so indiscreet, as to haue vndertaken this cours of life; but now in his old age, he is become wise, and has changed his habit for good attire; his scant and poore fare, for good cheer; his reli∣gious retirement for a court; his po∣vertie for Rents; his religious humilia∣tion for a Deanry (which they say he has) his Obedience to Superiors, for a full possession of his own Will; his austerities and mortifications, for more pleasure and satisfaction than cuer

he had; and this is the Discretion of Protestants, and the way to Saluation.