The second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline

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The second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Author
Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.
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[Heidelberg] :: Imprinted [by Michael Schirat],
M.D.LXXV. [1575]
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Subject terms
Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604. -- Defense of the Aunswere to the Admonition, against the Replie of T.C. -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Fielde, John, d. 1588. -- Admonition to the Parliament -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Discipline -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Anglican authors -- Early works to 1800.
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"The second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A18080.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 16, 2024.

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Page XXVIII

Vnto the 32: sect: pag: 28:

IN orators I graunt it is a great point off arte / to hide ar∣te / that it appeare not: but when a man setteth him selffe to confute / the opener and plainer way hathe alwaies bene most commendable. So that iff this were your order / yt had bene good that yow had set vp some marke by a transition / wherby we might haue vnderstanded yt. I know not what happened vnto others / but I confesse I sawe no suche order. I see this / whiche also is true in your former answers / that in goinge a¦bowte to heale one wounde / yow giue your selffe an other. for going abowte to put from yow the absurditie off this argu∣ment / yow confesse that yow bestowe great labor to proue that / which was not in controuersie betwene the admonition and yow: the other shalbe sene in there places.

To the next section answere shalbe made in the place wherunto he referreth vs. For the next vnto that: I answere that this is a vaine shift / the aduantage wheroff he can not take to excuse his folie. For this reason which he here alled∣geth / he had cited owt off Maister Bucer / and Maister Mar∣tyr / page 258 / and immediately after in the page. 239. he preten∣deth that he will bringe other reasons / besides this to proue that the surplis dothe edifie: and therfore beginneth a freshe withe furthermore, and then addeth Secondlie, wheras iff it be trew which he here alledgeth / in his pretence off going further / he standeth still and remoueth not an ynche. For the next vnto that / I saye as I said before / and referre it to the iudgemente of the reader / whether I haue not onelie not cor∣rupted your meaninge / but almost conceiued mine argument in the same wordes which yow vse. And wher yow so boudlie (in asking) affirme that capp gowne and tippet vsed in po∣perie are good signes / for that they are signes of good thīges / namely off the ministers off the worde: I shewed how vntrue that rule is in the 57. and 60. pages / against whiche if yow ha∣ue any thinge to saye / yow shall there vnderstand further.

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