A discourse of some troubles and excommunications in the banished English Church at Amsterdam Published for sundry causes declared in the preface to the pastour of the sayd Church.

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A discourse of some troubles and excommunications in the banished English Church at Amsterdam Published for sundry causes declared in the preface to the pastour of the sayd Church.
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Johnson, George, 1564-1605.
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1603.
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THE AGREEMENT BETWEENE THE TROBLES IN the banished English Church at Frankforde in Q. Maries daies, and some troubles in the banished English Church at Amsterdam in Q. Elizabeths daies.

THeir broiles opened mens mouthes against the truth, and in stead of svveete doctrine filled their pulpits vvith revi∣lings, vvormevvood, and bitter gall.

What these troubles now finde who knoweth not? and what can we else looke for at adversaries hands / when in deede the Pastour himselfe changed the voice and tune of a comfortable shepheard to an vnsavourie scoffing / inveighing / yelling / and cruella hunting of the soules, whom hee ought to strengthen / and comfort?

Those trobles vvere imputed to ambitious heads, that could not enioy Bishopricks so vvell as others, to fantasticalnes, &c.

The verie like have the Pastour, Mr. Studley, ād others obiected / namely / pride / discontentment that men could not be officers / fantasticalnes / crack∣brainednes &c. Whereas in deede the contention is to be imputed to their corruption in dawbing vp sins personall / falling to sins in Gods vvorship, pleading for choise of such as have apostated into ecclesiasticall office, con∣trary to the Scriptures, their former owne writing and practise / as after∣ward in this discourse wil appeare.b Not I, but thou troublest Israell, in that thou hast forsaken the commaundement of the Lord, &c.

The time, place, beginning, order and proceeding of those troubles is sett dovvne: ād the maner approved by the practise of all vvho write the memory of things, with free libertie declaring the yl dealing of the highest personages.

Now our (as their) dealing is not with any King, emperour, or high personage / but with men / who of all others should be most humble / as being servants to Christ Church, howsoever they vse dominion as Lordes, contrary to thed Scriptures.

The publisher thereof vvished his discourse might be for the profit of many, yea even the highest, asvvell as the lovvest.

The Lord knoweth my hearts desier / that this discourse might be pro∣fitable to the age present / and to posterity / that they may be warned / and wise by the trobles they have seene or see in others / thorowly to resist the beginnings of sins: and never to lease the oportunity of reforming the least evill / and sure planting of good things.e Serve the time. If the speach of serving the time seame harsh / cōfer the marginall reading vpō Rom 12 11. compare the Scriptures quoted / ād learne as to avoide to be af time server and pleasman: so also to be faithfull and diligently to serve and imploy thy timeg while God graunteth it.

D. Cox, Mr. Horne, Chambers, and the rest had the time, vvhen they might in their banishmēt sincerely have served God, ād yet would they plead for their service booke, and other corruptions. And marke what it brought forth: surely much trouble in the Church, and when God graunted liberty againe to them in England obtrusion of the same: and from that day to this

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day could it never be rooted out, howsoever in the same booke before the commination they vsed smoothe wordes, yet still the prelates, timeservers and carnall Ghospellers pleaded for it. Novv there is great hope of Reformation, God having given vs so gratious a king, the Lord in mercy graunt it.

The Pastour Mr. Fran. Iohns. Dan. Stud. and the rest have had their opportunitie in time of their banishment to walk sincerely / holily / in love and humility: but they plead ād vrge their corruptions / their teacher hold they to be a true teacher, and yet the Scriptures, in their owne handwritings witnesse the contrary to their faces: theyf condemne false teachers in the parish assemblies / and yet colour such among themselves: they will not allow and graunt the reformed Churches in this citie to be true Churches, and yet are not able to show any such defection or declining among them / as is in themselves. What troubles these things have brought their excom∣munications declare / and what misery they will in time bring (if God pre∣vent them not) who knoweth? they blame them for corruptions / and will iustify their owne defections from sinceritie: both evill / but these worse / as sinning againstg knowledg / ād the truth once reveiled to them.g Vnto him that knoweth how to do well, and doth it not, to him it is sinne.h Thou, vvith teachest another, teachest thou not thy selfe?

They were exhorted to leave of pretended excuses, seeking their owne pre∣ferment, and creditt, as also plunging themselves in earthly affections, and worldly things, comming over, and pretending persecution.

How needfull is this exhortation / to the Pastour, Dan. Stud. and the rest / who are so full of excuses / that whatsoever they do / though never so grosse / yet they can set a gloss or shine vpon it? they so seek their owne glory as they wil allow no others here to be ioyned vnto / save themselves: they so plunge themselves in seeking earthly things / as not onely dueties of Religion ād love are coulde among them: but grievous things fall out among them to Gods dishonour / and reproch of the truth? Witnes the first of these their dawbing of sins ād corruptions among them from time to time: witnesse the secōd their dealīg with the reformed Churches, ād their yet not allowīg any to be ioyned vnto here save thēselves: witnesse the third / not onely their seeking for maintenāce / ād compleints of some among themselves of cold∣nes in good things / ād deceitfulnes in dealing: but the greevous reproches also of sundry dutch men concerning Dan. Studlies sonne in law, and many others / crying out that they pretended Religion ād banishment / but vnder that cloake deceived them. All which the Pastour ād Dan. Studly, with the rest will pretend to excuse: but thei Scripture saith: Vse not your libertie as a cloke for your sins.

The negligences among them made many take occasion to continue in their filth, and superstition: made some dissemble, and so lost them, for whom Christ died.

The selfe same / and many moe evills have come by the Pastours and Dan. Stud. vnfaithfulnes / suttelty and cruelty / at length drawing the people to be instruments of their malice / to excommunicate whom they please: Hereby have they driven some back againe to Egipt: Hereby the people among them in good things are quenched and dead / but to speak

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evill / revile / disdaine / and condemne all / except themselves they are to redy: hereby many have continued in their false worshipp: yea they have hereby made some tok abhorre the Lords offering / and so losel them for whom Christ died.

The congregation their desired good things, but the learned perverted their meaning, and sought themselves.

In like sorte this congregation begunne well / walked verie carefully / watched diligently one over another / desiered good things: but so soone as the Pastor and Dan. Stud. came / they perverted things as they listed / the Pastor by his learning / and Dan. Stud. by his craft / till at length they brought the congregation to their bought / and seeking themselves likem Diotrephes, they could not endure any that rebuked their evill.

They pretended to answer the letters of the brethren, but when the let∣ters and answers were compared, they were found not to answer directly.

The Pastor, Dan. Stud. and the rest pretend that they will answer our compleints / but I am persuaded theirs will be the like. And I am the rather induced so to iudge / because they show the same in their cautions / which they have often affirmed to be an āswer to the reasons / which prove that such as have fallen from the true service of God to idolatrous worship ought not to be chosen into Ecclesiasticall office: for let any Christian com∣pare them together / and he shall see / that there is not onely no answer / but not so much as repeating of the reasons: yea I am persuaded / if (as they vsually vrge others / so) themselves were vrged vpon their consciences as before God to say / whether these cautions were a iust / sound / and vpright answer to the reasons / or no? howsoever in there owne causes they be extremely partiall yet durst they not say / Yea: their cautiōs being in deede but clokes and forged pretences / as the godly vpright examiner shall plainly see / and find such dealing condemned by Godsn worde. And it is to be lamented that they durst with such pretences abuse the dutch Church, ād seeke to seduce their brethren, whom they excommunitated / as they do those / whose hearts have fainted and failed like water among them / many of them also dissembling contrary to their owne consciences. Let also themselves lament these things / least heavy things follow them.o If a man sinne against a man, the iudge shall iudge it. But if a man sin against the Lord who will plead for him? and let them learne in the feare of God eitherp to answer firmely with sure ground / truly ād vprightly according to the Scriptures, and aptly conferring spirituall things with spirituall things or if they be not able (as in deede they are not / the Scriptures being notp yea, and no) let themq lay their hand vpon their mouth / be silent / r repent and amend.

They vvho pleaded for the booke of common praier, they did it most cun∣ningly, and smoothly, pretending conscience, edifying of the Church, vnity, peace, and such like: and still this vvas ioyned, care for their ovvne quietnes, ease, and provision, but these latter more covertly done.

M.F.I. and D. St. followed this course vp and downe / for most smoothly and cunningly they dawbed vp their sins / pleaded their false teachers cause / pretending conscience / necessity / edifying of the Church, the graces and gifts

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in the man: vnitie / peace / quietnes etc. and touching care for maintenance they were more grosse / as appeared / when the Pastour would be gone except they would give him / his wife / and his posteritie maintenance / and vrged the restoring of that which was spent of his wives stock in time of his im∣prisonment. Dan. Stu. also gott allowance for his daughter / when shee was able to earne her living / yea some of the Church offering to mainteine her for her worke / but he was so cunning / as both to gett her worke / and also maintenāce for her. If he deny this / let Tho. Bishop. the Deacon (if he dare speak the truth against an Elder) witnes it / who willed me to speak against it when himselfe durst not: which I doing / augmēted D. St. hatred the more against mee / having also before reproved his wives daughters pride / with whome afterward hee was ensnared etc. So palpaple and grosse were they to gett more maintenance to that which they had.r The desier of mony is the roote of all evil, vvhich while some have lusted after, they have erred from the faith and perced themselves thorow vvith many sorrowes. Feed the flock of God not for filthy lucre, but of a redy minde.

Mr. Chambers agreed, and promised concerning the booke of common prayer, not to vrge the vse of it concerning the ceremonies: aftervvard he vvas not faithfull.

The very like did the Pastour. Dan. St. Mr. Ainsvvorth also ioyning with them agree vnto touching choise of apostates into office, namely / that it was not meete to leave such presidents tos posterity / or to give occasion oft opening the adversaries mouthes / the Church being sett as vponv an hill vnder banishmēt / yet afterward they abode not faithfull: for choosing but one Elder they chose such a one as had apostated, namely Mr. Mercer. Con∣trary to their hand writings and agreement.

The brethren offred, if proofes could be brought for the service book: not to dravv back: none vvere brought, but vvill, and shevve of policy, as of ad∣ding bāds to the godly Fathers ād brethrē, of defacīg King Edw. lawes. &c.

Wee have offered / if these wolde prove their matter to be good by Gods vvorde, to yeeld: they will not / no not so much / as eyther answer in wri∣ting the reasons written by other / or their owne reasons written in time of their sincerity against choise of such / but shift of the Scriptures as they please / crying out that we are cōtētious, troblers of the Church, enemies to them etc. and so by their vviles theyvv beguile the people.

The brethren ansvvered that the Fathers changed the ceremonies them∣selves, and that if they vvere novv living, they vvould do, as they did: that King Edvv. lavves vvere not defaced but honoured by that which they sought yet vvould not D. Cox or the rest yeelde:

We answer these / that in conscience they ought to answer their owne wri∣tings / and not tox build againe that vvhich they have destroyed: that to re∣buke their sins and corruptiōs is noty cōtention: that to stād forthz against the same faithfully, is not to troble the Church: but they will not yeeld.

They vvere afraid to be accused of alteration, imperfection, mutability etc. that their credit, or the credit of others vvould be diminished.

It is much to be feared / that the very same hinder the P. and D. St. from yeelding least then should seame incōstāt / least it should be disgrace to them being officers to yeeld to membres / least their credit should decay etc.

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When occasion of direct ansvver vvas to be had about the booke of com∣praier (they agreing not to vse all the ceremonies) they put it of by questions.

So these being vrged to answer directly in the question of choosing apo∣states / shift of from giving a direct ansvver, and by propounding questions, ifs, and (ands) make their matter more colourable / troblesom / dark and in∣tricate: yea they have propounded almost twenty questions ād ifs: as wit∣nes their cautions to any that mark them / and give not one direct ansvver to any one reason.d Avoide profaine ād vaine bablings, ād oppositiōs of sciences, falsely so called.e If they speak not according to the vvord, it is because there is no light in them.

The brethren declare as the vvork of Religion, and sincerity is excellent: so the adversaries cease not most craftely to vndermine it, or at the least, thorovv false reportes, and defacing of the vvorke begun, to stay the labourers, vvhich should travell in the finishing thereof: seeking rather to finde faults, then to amend them: false brethren also spreading abroade poore reasons to hinder: but truth ever cleareth it selfe, and as the sunne consumeth the cloudes, so mis∣reportes by triall are confounded.

The truth hereof finde we not onely in open adversaries, prelates, priests etc. in false Churches for their false vvorshipp, but in Pastours, Elders &c. in true Churches for their corruptions: they craftely seeke to vndermine them / and their worke / who labour to draw thē to sincerity: they rather finde faultes and carpe at the reprovers of sins / then amend: either the reproofe is to sharpe / it is not in time / in place / in rule / in order / one thing or other is amisse / and so they not onely amend not / but shifting of the reproofe and admonition one way or other / they deface and seeke to discourage the rebu∣kers / as contentions / troble some etc. And so hinder the worke of sincerity so much as they can: and as the P. and Eld. so the other brethren (wee yet call them not false, till God further discover them) spread abroad like poore reasons to discourage / and spare not to slaunder that men scisme and forsake the truth / because they wiil not walke with them in / and wink at their cor∣ruptions: but in a worde we answer if vve have forsaken, vvhyf suffer vvee persecution both by them vvithout ād them vvithin? And truth in time will both cleare and defend it selfe / and the defenders thereof: false accusations also and slaunders vvill God in due time confound.g The backbiters shall not be established vpon the earth: evill shall hunt the cruell man to destruction: I knovv that the Lord shall avenge the afflicted, and iudge the poore.

They gave good, and godly vvordes, but still they vvould have the book of common praier, &c.

So these give godly wordes many times / but they will keepe in their M. A. and their Elder M. M. branded with theh reproche of apostasy.

When some sought to bring in the order of Geneva as most godly, and furthest from superstitiō: others comming overt, hey vvould bring in the Eng∣lish service booke, and orders not becomming a reformed Church.

Likewise before the P. and D. Stud. comming over to Amsterdam, there was (after troubles in some measure ended about M.M. M.G. and M. Sm. good order taken to see how the congregation profited in Religion: Christian dueties to be performed: the teacher, with the Elders and Deacon visited from

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i house to house, examined how they profited in Religiō, ād instructed them / so that the blessing (as sundry reported) was gratious / and woudrons: but the P. and D. St. being come / this must be left: it was to much abasing of the officers of the Church to go to every house / and other such excuses were pre∣tended / as that it vvas creeping into houses &c. but the truth is / it was (as to base for proud so) to painfull for idle schollers and officers: yea their pleasure must be an ordinance / and so in deede it was left for sundry yeares: but what negligence in walking / and in dueties of godlines / as also what ignorance is growne thereby / it is lamentable to thinke: so their members can speak against the parish assemblies, ād corruptiōs in other Churches, then are they excellent members with them / thoughk beames and noisome offenses be a∣mong themselues.

They said ād boasted, that if ever they came into Englād againe, they vvould do their best ro establish the booke of common praier, and so they did, to the great burthen and troble of many preachers and professors to this day.

These have boasted / and still boast that they have and will excommuni∣cate all that stād against their choise of apostates into office: yea the P. boasted long before his Fathers comming / that if hee stoode out against it / he would also excommunicate him / and so be hath: thus have they boasted / and thus have they done: ād what will be the end the Lord knoweth: but this I rest assured in / that God making vs faithfull tol beare the burthen til he come, corruption shall fall / and truth with the strivers for the same shall over∣come. And here by the way / I speak to myne owne soule / and al Christians / to take heede / that wee yeeld not / no not for anm houre:n neither ben silent / but stil strive to purge out the ould leavē / til we overcome / remēbering thato litle leavē leaveneth the whole lumpe. This is to be marked in the godly at Frankf. that few there were / but either they yeelded / were silent / or tolle∣rated when they came to Englād againe: ād for this cause is it / that I exhort my self ād others to holde fast to the ēd not onely against false Churches, but evē against corruptiōs amōg our brethrē in true Churches, so shal we certain∣lyp receive the promise. God ielous of hisq honour, ādr alsufficiēt enable vs herevnto for his name / truth and mercy sake in Iesus Christ. amen / amen.

It is there compleined, that nothing pleased the adversaries save their ovvne corruptions.

The like compleinte may be made of the P. and D. Stud. for except a man will hold his peace / and wink at their corruptions he cannot ioine or con∣tinue a member of their congregation: and if he winke at their sins ād cor∣ruptions / then they account him a peacable member / witnes this their ex∣communications of members standing forth against corruptions: ād their maner of receiving Iohn de Cluse, and others to be members:s vvickednes vvas svveete in his mouth, and hee hid it vnder his tongue, savoured it, and vvould not forsake it, but kept it close in his mouth.

Mr. Calvin vvas greeved, and iudged it a shame, that contention should arise among brethren banished, and driven out of their ovvne country for one faith, yea and that contention should be for that cause, vvhich ought to have holden, and bound them together as vvith an holy bond in their dispersion.

How would he now greeve if he stil lived and what would he now iudg /

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that brethren, yea brethren by nature, by education: in profession, prisonment, and banishment for one truth have cōtention for sobriety in lyfe / and sincerity in Gods vvorship, yea so hoate contentions / as the elder excommunicateth the yonger: and not therewith cōtent wisheth magistracy, that he might fur∣ther proceede / thereby shewing hist hatred against the rebukers of his sins: yea / what scelus, and shame would he cry that a sonne should so pervert matters / plead for corruptions / and dawb vp sins / as that he would ex∣communicate his ovvne Father having come over seas a long / troblesome / and hard viage to seeke ād make peace betweene his twoo sonnes / would he not (I say) and will not the godly iudg such a sonne withoutv naturall af∣fectiō? would he not / ād wil not the godlyvv cal the earth to vvitnesse against, and condemne his dealing?

He then allovved their constancy, vvhich strove for a iust cause, being forced against their vvills vnto contention: ād condemned their frovvardnes, vvhich hindered, and staied the holy carefulnes of reforming the Church.

How much more would he / and will the vpright godly allow strife and contentiō for sincerity / once written for and practised by the Church? and how would he condemne their defection / and frowardnes / who seeke not byx an vpright vvriting to shevv the assurance of truth: but violently ex∣communicate their brethren, like to them whom they Prophet rebuketh.

He iudged it in those controversies not profitable to give place to many tollerable foolish things in the booke of common praier.

In these controversies then he would sure iudg it not profitable / yea vn∣lawfull to yeeld to the defection of the P. D. Stu. and the rest erring from the truth confirmed with their profession / handwriting and practise / and will not sett downe in writing warrants out of Gods vvorde for their present practise.z Absteine from all appearance of evill, much more from evill it selfe.

Hee shevveth that there must be a striving for further proceeding, and sin∣cerity, and that it is strange vvhere freedome is, to strive for popish dregs.

Most truly may all men shew to the P. D. Stud. and the rest / that being in freedome they shew themselves to corrupt to strive for corruptiō / it being the duetie of all not to decline but to grow vp and go forward in sincerity.a They go from strength to strength, till every one appeare before God in Zion.

The seekers of sincerity then vvere charged by their brethren vvith nevv-fanglenes, singularity, contentiō, vnquietnes &c. vvherevpon Mr. Knox some∣vvhat relented seeing their fury: and Mr. Gilby protested the contrary, and houlding vp his hand, vvished that it might be cutt of, so that peace and vnitie might ensue.

As enemies vvithout vse to reproche all the brethren witnessing against their false vvorshipp: so do brethren those few who witnesse against their corruptions. The very same did the P. D. Stu. and the rest obiect against vs / and we (as Mr. Knox) yeelded what wee might for peace sake, yea being vrged we protested as (Mr. Gilby) vpon our consciences our dealings: but nothing would satisfie them: since have we sought the help of the reformed Churches, but still they are so proud / and stand so vpon their authority (spe∣cially D. St. that folower ād brother ofb Diotrephes) that they wil not yeeld.

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Well / if they bend not in time / the Lord will break them andc discover their vnfaithfulnes further.

After long troble, and contention, agreement vvas made, thankes vvere given to God: reconciliation followed, great familiarity vsed: former grudges seamed to be forgotten: the communion vpon this agreement vvas admini∣stred: frendship continued for a certaine time. Aftervvard D. Cox, and others comming over rashly and vvillfully brake the order and agreement, vvhich vvas then the cause of much trouble.

In like maner after long troble betweene the P. and G.I. about the Pastours wives pride / behaviour / and speaches etc. agreement was made: reconcilation followed / and though D. St. crafty pate imagined and vsed meanes to break it / yet the P. thē was wiser ād would not be seduced by him so as he and his brother continued frends a certaine time / tokens and due∣ties of love passed betwene them from one prison to the other / former grud∣ges seamed to be forgotten: but afterward the P. often egged by D. St. that Diotrephes, vpon occasion of a letter sent to him / brake it / and the conten∣tion grew so hoate / and D. St. so followed it / that it came to the Church: the Church so dealt / that againe peace was had / frindship was made: recon∣ciliation followed: the Lords supper herevpon administred: in this agreemēt also D. St. kept a starting hole to break out / when he pleased / as afterward appeared: yet the frendship continued in our banishment to America. In our returne envious D. St. begun to break the peace / but he was prevented / so that then it burst not forth. Being come to Amsterdam, and continuing there some time / yea the Lords supper sundry times being administred, frend∣ship seamed to be had / ād D. Stud. liked Ioab vsed most faire wordes to G.I. yea they were bedfellowes ād in cōsultations together: but that falsee har∣ted and hollow D. St. when he saw his time / so dealt with the P. as that they seeing the affection of the people towards G.I. tooke occasion to break the peace againe: wherevpon there had like to have followed a division of the Church, the most of them discerning D. St. malice / fiering himselfe and the P. But when they see they could not fier the rest / they made a hollow and a very corrupted peace / till they waxed stronger: it continued a certaine time: grudges seamed forgotten betweene the twoo brothers: onely that mali∣cious D. St. caried often an evill eie / and a quarelling tongue against G.I. wherein he was still frustrated so long as he fiered not the P. and made him his instrument in evill. At lenght / in handeling M. Slā. controversy. D. St. (who cunningly and secretly many waies had before stirred vp the P. now) openly in the congregatiōf bewraied his malice and begun to blow the bel∣lows / ād so fiered ād incēsed the P. again as he brake out / violated the peace and covenāt made / getting also the Church to their bought / and (like them at Frankford) making their parte strong / gott their will / yea being worse and more furious (then they at Franckf.) excom. their brethren for standing faithfully against their sins / and corruptions. Now what troble these their breaches have brought / they ād we know / ād others now also know in part ād what they wil bring if they be not stopped / who knoweth? onely I beg of God faithfulnes / patience and constancy / which he graunting / I doubt not / but he vvilg vvork al for the best: for I frely cōfesse as he vphouldeth in

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all trobles / so if he did not marvelously vpholde in these / we were never able to beare them ath brethrens hands.

M. Knox seeing their dealing, vvas earnest and zealous against them, she∣vving that as divers things ought to be kepti secret so such things as tend to Gods dishonour, and disquieting of the Chur. ought to be disclosed, and so he declared and discovered their vngodly breaking of peace, their obtruding of things vpon the congregation vvithout vvarrant of Gods vvord.

If you blame not him / I hope no godly wise wil blame vs for laying open your vnchristiā dealings / which we long kept secret / til you published them in Gath by excōmunicating vs:k which excom. we have thorow Gods strēgth endured above 4:y. and have vsed all meanes by our selves / by others / yea and by the reformed Churches to winne you / but you would not: ād procee∣ding from evill to worse / crying out / ād vrging to printing / force vs to pub∣lish these things / having told you heretofore / that that would be done / if you would not be reclaimed: ād now the Lord enabling vs to print / blame not vs thorow preiudice / but blame your selves that would by no meanes either of Gods vvorde, or of the reformed Churches be reclaimed / ād so force vs to discover against our wil yourl nakednes, and to declare the truth before al men that if it be possible, you maym repent, and amend.

When the matter came to trial D. C. said. EGO VOLO HABERE. I vvil have it, and so he brake of, that no agreement could be had.

The P. Mr. F. I. as stoutly also sayd / that his brother should be excom∣municated or he should be no longer Pastour, ād so he brake of the agrement. How like stoute were these men / breakers of peace / strivers for corruptions / and authors of much evil ād troble? How iump walked these in the steps of then priests and prophets, Shemaiah, Amaziah, ād such like? But let men con∣sider the threatnings against / and end if such of they repent not / and amend.

When D. C. could not get his purpose, then he yeelded, dissembled very cun∣ningly: he yeelding the congregation did as he did.

So the P. and Dan. Studly, when they could not get their purpose in the matter of the choise of apostates, finding the greater parte of the congregatiō against them / then they ceased / and pretended to have a peace: those also of the congregation which tooke their part did as they did: but afterward the P. and D. St. shewed themselves in their colours to have dissembled: God give them to lay aside allo guile / and dissimulation / which they do to much vse in all their reasonings and dealings.

D. Cox ceased not to bring his purpose to passe, but seeing in what favour knox was with some of the cōgregatiō: he ād his parte sought by a most cruell, barbarous, ād bloody practise to dispatch him out of the way, accusing him to the Magistrates laesae maiestatis imperialis, that is, of high treason against the Emperour, by reason of certaine wordes in a booke by him printed, intituled. An admonition to Christians, wherein he admonisheth England.

The wordes concerning the Emperour were these / spoken in the pulpit in a towne of Buc∣kingam shire / in the beginning of Q. Mar. reigne / as by the said booke appeareth / where it is sayd: O England / England / if thou wilt obstinately returne into Egipt / that is / if thou contract mariage / confederacy / or league with such princes / as doe maintein / and advaunce idolatry / such as the Emperour (who is no lesse enemy to Christ / then was Nero) if for the pleasure and frendship (I say) of such princes / thou returne to thine ould abhominaions be∣fore vsed vnder papistry: then assuredly / O England / thou shalt be plagued / and brought to

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desolation by the meanes of those / whose favour thou sekest / and by whom thou art procured to fal from Christ / and to serve Antichrist.

There were other 8. places / but this was most noted / in that it touched the Emperour / But it seamed the Magistrates abhorred this bloody / cruel and outragious attempt / for that when as certain of Knox his enemies followed hardly the Magistrates to know what should be done with him / they did not onely shew most evident signes of disliking their vnnaturall suite / but also sent for M. williams ād M. whittingam / willing them that M. Knox should departe the citie: for otherwise (as they said) they should be forced to deliver him if the Emperour his coū∣sell (which then lay at Ausburg) should vpon like informatiō send for him wherevpon M. Knox was forced to fly and preaching the night before? his departure to divers brethren comfortably against persecutiō / departed the next day / the brethren with teares cōmitting him to the Lord.

Here let the reader note sundry things: 1. the trechery of D. Cox. vvho for a time yeelded, but yet vndermined Knox, vvho had sought his good, yea by his meanes came D. Cox his frends to have voices in the congregation, and vvhen he had made himselfe strong, then vndermined he Knox. 2. thep p malice that is found even in members and officers of true Churches, yet the truth re∣maineth the same, and men must be faithfull. 3 hovv cruell theq persecutions of brethrē are vvhen they strive for their corruptions and sins: 4. that it is not inough to be members or officers in a true Church, but that they vvalke vvorthyr the calling vvhereto they are called 5. this persecution also by brethren must make the Godlys vvillinglier to be are the persecutiōs by prelates and opē ene∣mies: 6. Let Magistrates hence learn, to mark vvel accusations, vvhether they be of cōscience, or of affection: 7. Let men learne vvith M. Knox not onely to be patient in persecutions vvithout and afflictions vvithin, but tot comfort others vvith the comfortes vvherevvith God comforteth them, and lastly let the brethren also learne to be faithfullv and affectionate one to another, not onely in controversies against open enimies, but in standing forth also against sins and corruptions invv the Church, though officers of the Church, yea and though the most andx greater part of the Church plead for them.

Touching the P. and D. St. they tooke the very like course as D.C. did / thogh they seamed to have peace / yet they ceased not to vndermine G.I. seing the affection of the congregation towards him / yea the P. in plaine wordes said to G.I. that they saw how the people affected him / and particularly noted Mr. Adams for his special affectiō so as from time to time / they sought by all meanes secretly and openly to insinuate matters into the mindes of the brethren against G.I. as that he was contentious / a slaunderer / crack∣brained etc. that if he were knowne to them so well / as they knew him / they would not speack for him or take his parte: and so they first alienated one / then another / ād stirred them vp against him / making also (like D.C.) their owne part strong / yea breaking the frendship of brethren, at lenght making of frēds enemies, ād at last got their wil to excom. G.I. therein exceding D.C. in abusing the holy censure to wreake their malice. How bloodily minded also they were / ād would have had our bloode if it had bene in their power / appeareth herein / that when they could not wreak themselves as they desi∣red / the P. and D. St. often wished magistracy / ād Tho. Michel (that flatterer of the P. and D. St.) said that G.I. deserved to be whipped at the Stathouse. Now their wishing of Magistracy sheweth / that if it had bene in their power they would have vrged the Magistrate to the vtmost / as thēselves spared not to abuse the highest ordinary censure of Gods Church: and perverting the cause to deserve it / how would they also (if they had could)z incēse the Magi∣strate to make the sworde of iustice the weapō of iniustice: for they that durst abuse Gods holy censure, would they spare to cover their dealings with shifts / and also to abuse the Magistrates seat? If they had the Magistrate af∣ter their pleasure / who knoweth what cruell bloody vile / and outragious accusations they would imagine and attempt? yea this must I witnes as before God the seer of all hearts, that the equity which Magistrates yea open adversaries also shewed vnto me in examination vnder persecution could

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I not obteine at their hands: More bitter revilings and railings also have they vsed against me / and moe meanes to drive me from the truth then ever the open adversaries did. They have likewise done their vtmost in oppres∣sing of me / and when their power faileth wish more / so that their tiranny ceaseth not for lack of will / but for want of power. God have praise that kepeth such blody mīdesa short: as also theb Magistrate is not to be fea∣red for good vvorkes, but for evill: after which rule G.I. still answered them.

D.C. was very cunning in practises ād politik to win ād turn (by seducing) Mr. Adolphus Glauburg (who had bene a great furtherer of the brethren stri∣ving for sincerity) to be on his side the said Adolphus seduced his brother M.I. Glauburg the Senator, who had long favoured the brethren, so as he vvaxed colde, and D.C. obteyning, that M. vvhittingam vvas commaunded not to deal in the matter, prevailed to get his purpose.

In these things the P. was not inferiour to D.C. for very cunningly 1. he seduced Mr. Settel a preacher, and Mr. Stud. the Elder to be on his side / who were before with G I. against the P. vvyves pride. 2. D. St. flinching se∣duced Mr. Bowmā ād others: 3. the P. ād D. St. seduced Mr. Charles Leigh: afterward they seduced the teacher and Elders at Amsterdam, and lastly the congregation also: all of them at first disliking the P. vvyves pride, and the P. and D. St. dealing about the same: but afterward being by their cunning dealing seduced became ioyners with the P. and waxed not onely tolde in doing good / but became bent enemies against G.I. so as the P. and D. St. (like D.C.) obteined their purpose.c Evil men and decivers shall wax vvorse and vvorse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Mr. Whittingam for peace sake yeelded much, but he iudged it to much cruelty to force men contrary to their consciences to obey all their disorderly doings.

G.I. yeelded for peace sake twise at London: and at Amsterdam was con∣tent to beare vnreasonable reproches / and slaunders at their hands: yet were they not therewith content / but would force his cōscience to what they pleased / or else they would excom. him / which their violence he iudged most vnchristian: and this they did not onely to him / but to others also / who would not consent to their proceedings / ad doings.d If it be possible, as much as in you is, have peace with all men:e Having faith and a good con∣science.

Mr. whitt. offered to prove, that the order, which D.C. sought, ought not to be established, but he was commaunded and charged not to deale in the matter.

Likewise offer hath bene often made to prove by Gods worde and the hand writings of the P. and D. St. that their choise of such as had apostated ought not to be: the Dutch and French Churches also were content to hear / try / iudg / and end the matter betwene vs by Gods vvorde: but the P. and D. St. would not / neither yet will / but as they are parties, so will they be also iudges in their owne case / and will not submit vnto any.

D. C. having gotten his vvill about the booke of common praier, began to consult vvith them that had beene priests, and myn. in England, vvho vvas meetest to be a Bishop, Superintendent, or Pastor &c: and so vvould one cor∣ruption

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have crept in after another, much strife there vvas about the name, at length the name Pastour vvas agreed vpon. Great strife there vvas vvhat order vvas to be observed in praier, D.C. answered, that other order, then the booke of England should they not have: and such proceedings vvere there as if there had neither beene orders, officers, nor Church before their comming, or any promis to be kept on their partes: D.C. his vvill must be a lavv.

The P. and D. St. long strove to get such into office as had apostated, and to draw the people to their bought / thereby to bring in what orders they pleased: but they could not obteyne it / while G.I. was vnexcom. yea it was concluded / that it was not expedient to leave such a president to posterity. After they had excom. G.I. consulting who were meetest to be Elders, they chose one / but what was hee? surely an apostate: thus they fell from their agrement / their practise / ād theirf owne handwriting / which G.I. hath yet by him as a witnes against them to this day. They likewise procee∣ded at their first comming to Amsterdam, and also since / as if the Church or officers before their comming had had not wit / knowledg / or wisdome: wh•••••• pleased thē was done: what pleased thē not was vndone: as partly may ap∣peare by the trobles in this discourse / besides sundry others / which have fal∣len forth since about Iohn de Cluse, Thomas Cocky, Mr. Greene, D. St••••lly himselfe, Father Perrimā, Ioseph Tattam, Robert Bayly, Iohn Phelps, Th••••as Bishopp, Israell Iohnson, and many others to long / and to shamefull to repeat: so as we may cōplein with the Proph. that.g Iudgmēt is turned back∣vvard, ād iustice stādeth far of, for truth is fallē in the streete and equitie cannot enter: yea truth faileth, ād he that refraineth from evil maketh himselfe a pray: and vvhen the Lord savv it, it displeased him that there vvas no iudgment.

Mr. vvhittingā found, that though they had a good caus yet me••••hang in great perplexitie, partly because of sundry talkes ād divers letters of mē of good credit, vvhich caused them not a littell to marvel, partly by reason of the good opiniō of certeine persons both godly, ād learned, which made them to doubt.

Even the very same do we finde: for though the P. vvives pride: the Pa∣stours, Elders, and Chur. corruptions in dealing thereabout. D. St. the el∣ders wanton behaviour with his wives daughter: and proceeding from personal sins to sins in Gods vvorship, be iust causes to admonish ād cōstāt∣ly to rebuke them for / til they repent: yet many are perplexed / partly because of the talkes / and reportes of many vvandring brethrē, (hvvandring starres) with go vp and downe) hither and thither / to and from England abiding in no certaine place / namely Iohn Beacham, William Shepheard, Iohn Ni∣cholas, Richard Paris, David Bristoe, William Houlder, and other moe: partly by reason of the Pastours, Thomas Bishops, and others letters / which they sent to discountenance / and deface them whom they had excom∣municated, and to face out their owne matters / so that many men marvel / and desier to know the truth thereof: partly the good opinion of the Pastor once received / and yet (in parte) reteined / having bene accounted godly / and learned for his sufferings / and writings against the adversaries / when he was in prison / specially before he maried: these (I say) make some men not onely to doubt / but also to their owne shame to condemne men vnheard. for so saith thei Scripture, He that ansvvereth (much more then he that con∣demneth

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a matter before he heare it, it is shame and follie vnto him:i He that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 his ovvne cause, seameth iust, then cometh his neighbour, and ma∣••••••h ••••nquire of him.

Herevpon Mr. Whittingam vvrote, as persvaded in conscience.

Wee also persuaded and vrged in conscience have done and now do the like. If the P. or Tho. Bishopp cal for proofe (as there maner is / who like men ofk feared consciences knowing that they have writtē subscribed / and men have seene the same / yet wrangle / and cal for proofe) if I say / they do requier it I have by me the letters which they have written against me / sent to me from them to whom they were written / being greeved to see their dealing against me. Thus did they not onely excom. me / wherevpon I was forced to write / but also sought to vndermine me / alienate my frends / and to draw away all love from me: so vnnaturall was / and is the dealing of the Pastor, ād Mr. Bis. my brothers (the one by nature / the other by mariage) added to their former evil yet vnrepēted ofl Trust you not in any brother, for every brother wil vse deceit, ād every frēd wil deale deceitfully. Yea the causes / and dealings before alledged have made somem afraide to take the cause in hād: some having stoode forth against excom. ton returne againe to them / or to their oldeo corruptions: others they have madep weary / ād to let all things go as they wil: and vs have they forced (seing they refuse all meanes of having the matter decided: as also keepe the holy things of God from vs so much as they may) to consult what to do / ād vnto what reformed Church to ioyne our selves / for warrāt whereof let men wel ād diligently cōsider the places quoted.q Regard ye me not because I am black: for the sun hath looked vpon me, the sonnes of my mother vvere angry against me, they made me the keeper of the vines, but I kept not mine ovvne vine Shevv me o thou, vvhom my soule loveth, vvhere thou feedest, vvhere thou liest at noone: for vvhy should I be, as thee, that turneth aside to the flocks of thy companions. If thou knovv not, o thou the fairest among vveomen, get thee forth by the steps of the flock, and feede thy kiddes by the tents of the shepheards.

It vvas agreed by D. C. and the rest, that the matter should be referred to others: but they brake the determination, brought in one to preach, vvho had beene at masse, and subscribed to blasphemous articles: many taunting bitter sermons vvere made to the defacing (as they thought) of their brethren.

The P. and D. St. agreed (when they first brake the peace and ripped vp the matter at Amsterdam) that the trial of the matter about the P. vvyvs apparell should be referred to the Church, whether it were such as G.I. re∣proved? promise was made by the P. and D. St. that the Church should see the apparel to try and iudg of it. The day being appointed by the Church for deciding thereof / the brethren met: but the P. and D. St. brake promise / and would not suffer the apparel to be seene: the brethren sending to them for it / they stil refused / and so the brethren could not try it. The next mee∣ting the P. and D. St. being by G.I. charged withr breach of promise to the Church, they reviled him / ād rebuked the Church saying that they knew not what they did / as also the P. sayd / if the Church vvould so deale about his vvives apparel, he vvould be gone, vrging them to provide maintenance for him / his wyfe / and his posterity / to pay that which was spent of her

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stock in time of his imprisonment at London, by which devises and dealings the brethren fainted / left their power / suffered them to prevail / and to vse dominion: since which time they haver vvaxed vvorse, and vvorse. The P. made invective sermons to discourage ād deface as he thought the brethren, and specially G.I. taunting / giving / and reviling them most grossly / as witnessed his exercises vpon Iohn. 12. and 13. and his exposition vpon Psal. 54. which were so bitter / grosse / palpable / and odious / as some of the brethren confessed that they were afraid G.I. would have presently / and openly interrupted / and rebuked him: and they were exceedingly greeved at it / yet durst they not afterward admonish the P. because they see him so outragious / and to grow out of al order. But the Lord who is the God not of confusion, but of peace ands order gave G.I. patience to beare it / that peace / and order was not broken: but afterward when the brethren met for handling the cōtroversy / as the P. hadt sinned openly: so G.I. rebukedv him openly for perverting, vvresting, ād abvsing the Scriptures, as also for making thevv pulpit a place to reveng himself / and to vomit out his foule ād vile af∣fections: but he neither then / nor yet repenteth thereof / neither could G I. obteine of the Church (howsoever they shewed their dislike / as being notx wel done of him) to draw him to repentāce: but he having with D. St. ōce gottē head (the Churchy leaving their power) he did what he list / and as he list.

When D. C. and the rest vvere by knox frely, and boldely answered, re∣proving them sharply, then (as before is noted) they falsely accused him of treason against the Emperour, and the Q. and so he vvas commaunded to departe. This Mr. vvhittingam also vvitnesseth in his letter.

They tooke not M. knox his defense in discovering and reproving of them so il: but the P. D. St. and the P. vvyfe tooke G.I. answer and reproofe as badly according to their power. The vvife brake out / and said / such a fellow was not to be suffered: wordes not farr from the breach of the same com∣maundement / whichz Iezabels was. The P. her husband said / he would be Pastour no longer / or G.I. should be excom. if he would not acknowledg that he faulted in alledging Ier. 3.3. against his vvife: thus were the hearts of the husband / and vvife vexed / when their sins were thorowly stood forth against. The P. also and D. St. gathered accusations / ād sett a heynous title before them, to witt. False accusations, slaunders, and evill surmises made by Mr. George Iohnson contrary to the ninth commaundement. Thus was the title: whereas he that will but reade the particulars following the title shall see that they are reprovings and standings forth against their sins / and corruptions: but they perverted all things / and by this heape of hei∣nous wordes seduced the people / ād so drew them to excom. G.I.a They have hated him, that rebuked in the gate, and they abhorred him that speaketh vp∣rightlyb The leaders of the people cause them to erre, and they that are led by them, are devoured.

Mr Whittingam noteth in D.C. ād the rest doble faces in that they seamed to receive the purest order ioyfully, gave the Magistrates thankes, and com∣mended it to the congregation: yet privily practised, and so laboured vnder hand, that they got the Magistrate to vnsay that he had said, and so got their

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purpose, promising both to the Magistrate, and to some of the congregation to prove by the vvord of God so much as they did, and to set it forth in vvri∣ting, that others might iudge of it: but neither did they (saith he) the one, be∣cause they could not, neither the other, because they durst not.

Now marke if herein also the P. and D. St. agree not with them / and are as doble faced / as they (and whether a doble face be not a signe of ac heart and a heart, a doble heart let the godly wise iudg) marke I say their doble faces. When they could not obteine their purpose / they pretended / that they would not choose apostates / and said that it was not meete to leave such a president in the congregation / being as vpon an hill / in the eies of adversa∣ries / and all men: neither did they at this time choose such: but did they (with them at Frankford) receive the pure order? No. there lay another face vnder: ād more cunningly ād slily / (then they of Frankford) they deferred the choise for a time / and when they saw their opportunity / they layd of their pretended face / shewed their naturall face / and choosing but one Elder, what was hee? surely one who had apostated; such a one / as themselves pre∣tended it was not meete to leave such a presidēt to posterity / ād whose name they once put out because of his apostacy: thus cunning andd wise are these men to deceive their ovvne soules, and to bewray their owne hipocrisy / which they so much obiect to others: they also promised to answer all rea∣sons brought against them / and to confirme their doings by Gods vvord: one of the people also / whom they seduce promised to get a copy of them / and to give it me: But the twoo first they do not / because I am persvaded they cannot / which also their pretēded cautions declare: and the third they durst not / neither dare give it as yet to vs / because their shame (they know) will opēly appeare / their vizard being removed. They set a face of their re∣fusall to giue copies / because excōmunicates desier it: as if excom. were not for the good of the soule / or they not bound to do good to excommunicates: but thee Scripture teacheth the contrary. But let vs see / if this were their true face: When they that were brethren among them and not excom. re∣quired a copy / did they give one? No, they never could obteine any / ano∣ther face was set vpon it / that it was not the order of the Church, thus had they a face for every turne. But let thē learne that a true Chur. ād pastor will help withf vpright writings. Yea when the Father of the Pastor charged him (when with request he could not prevaile) to help him with a copy / if he tendered his case / did he help him? No still he put on another face / that it was not in his power alone: as if a Pastor (if he pleased) could not performe thus much: especially a sonne for his Father: but the truth is / they chan∣ging their face according to every hew / shift it of / and a copy cannot be got∣ten at their hands. What kinde of faces these are / let others iudg.g Truth flieth not the light: and I wish them while it is time / to blush / and to be ashamed / least they so provoke the Lord as he make them toh blush, and put them to shame suddenly.

It is also noted that D. C. and the rest did not onely neglect order in choise of their officers, but also scoffed and taunted others in their daily sermons.

Herein the P. and D. St exceeded them: for they not onely neglected since∣rity in choise of officers, scoffed and taunted: but dealt cōtrary to their owne writings / railed / reviled / and reproched the standers forth against their

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corrupt dealing: the P. also made ••••veciv sermons: 〈◊〉〈◊〉 if 〈…〉〈…〉 the cause come to the city / they are presently vpon the 〈…〉〈…〉 withall / that in any cas hey talke not with excommun〈7 letters〉〈7 letters〉 〈…〉〈…〉 G I. Concerning their tauns ād reproches / the fruites and 〈…〉〈…〉 hatred we rest comforted in the worde of thei Proph•••• the 〈◊〉〈◊〉 ••••••¦mises of thek Apostle. Touching others that come as also al•••• 〈…〉〈…〉 not heard both parties / wee wish them to hearken to thel Apostl counsl: Try all things, keepe that vvhich is good: as also ofm Moses. Thou shalt not follovv a multitude to doe evill, neither agree in a controversie to decline af∣ter many, and overthrovv the truth.

Among all these trobles oftentimes great comfort vvas mingled, and Mr. vvhittingam noteth, that the incommodity brought a doble commodity.

And in deede that is the Lordes dealing with his servants / even to turne afflictions ton good. Bonis omnia in bonum, and the truth hereof have wee found: yea to the praise of God, the discouraging of adversaries / the en∣couraging ād comfort of them that b faithfull be it related / that the many trobles / ād the discommodities thereof which have come to vs by our bre∣thren, have alwaies by God beene turned to our great good / and doubly / triply / yea manifoldly blessed. To name parte / when they sought to dis∣courage / God encouraged: the more they inveighed scoffed and reviled the more patience and cherefulnes God gave: ino vveaknes God manifested his povver: in wants his plenty: and in greefes his comfortes: when they scof∣fed at G.I. heavy distresse (havīg heard by meanes of ap false brother. W.H. who peeped in by some crevises into G.I. his chāber / ād saw) that hee lived with bread / and water: I say / when they scoffed hereat / God gave the more contentation / and ioy: yea when they pretended to cover their scoffing with saing / that he might sel his cloke / his coverlett or his bookes rather then so to live / God gave to answer them / that be praised God he rested con∣tented / ād found the Lords mercy who kept his appetite in / that it desired not the clothes from the back or bookes frō the study / howsoever he could be cōtēt to sel some which he could best spare for his necessity / some of them also being then in the booke binders shopp to be solde: ād so wished them to deale better / he being desirous that none should have knowne it: and being betraied vnto them by that false brother sory that they knew it and made so evill vse of it. Should not they rather in such estate inq fellow feeling have mourned / and lamented to hear any of their brethren, who had lived in plenty / and was now in banishment for the Ghospell to be in such distresse! ought they not rather to have holpen / comforted and mader partaker of the blessings they had? should they not have reioyced to hear that a brother so lived in secrett / grudged not / murmured not / compleined not / neither made it knowne / but suffered the triall? ought they not to have praised God, who gave him to beare that distresse in banishment in a strange land for a good conscience / rather then to live in abundance in his owne land with an evill cōscience / or tos returne againe to the fleshpotts of Egipt? In a worde ought they not to have holpen to beare the burthē? I am persua∣ded they ought. And if their scoffing were not to add afflictiō to the afflic∣ted / as also what greefe it was to heare the vvife of the Pastour my brother

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standing by to vrge and desier to buye my cloke ād coverlett from my bedd / 〈◊〉〈◊〉 once to be moved with pity or compassion of my distresse / let the 〈◊〉〈◊〉 se iudg: and here by the way must I to Gods glory, to the humb∣•••••• 〈◊〉〈◊〉 uch dealers and comfort of the godly declare this / that the things 〈◊〉〈◊〉 zed me to / and would have brought vpon me / God punished them 〈◊〉〈◊〉 very like. So iust is God toq reveng vnnaturalnes, and tor scorne the scorners. Further when from G.I. stāding forth against their sins they brake of the small benevolence / with weekly he received / so as in 12. weekes space (while the matter was last in hādlīg) he received not any / but lived in great necessity: I say / even by this their vnkind ād vnchristiā dealing God stirred vp his heart the more to stād forth faithfully / ād not to serve his belly: yea the Lord recōpensed the bodily want with abundance of spiritual / ād godly meditations. I name the benevolence small (neither in disdaine nor discon∣tent / s the Lord knoweth: for the Lord gave ioy and contentednes therewith. though many weekes I had not above 6. 7. or 8. pence the weeke to live vpon andt rather would I have lived with them therewith / if they would 〈◊〉〈◊〉 walked sincerely / then in plenty with others: but I so name it / to shew the vnkind / and evill dealing / that having but a littell / yet they would take that from me / thereby (not vnlike the Prelates) seeking to discourage me if they could: as also to Gods glory / who gave contentednes and ioy even in the least / and to rest content in all extremities. Moreover / when they being brethren cast him of / strangers (whose faces he never to his knowledg sa) sent to him / ministred to his necessities / ād conforted him. The Lord know∣eth it to be true / that Mr. Iohannes Altenhovius, a dutch preacher (whom to my knowledg I had never seene) came to my chamber / signified vnto me 〈◊〉〈◊〉 e heard of the dealings against me / and of my estate / which he lamen∣ting offered me free wonning and diet to confer with him: and shewing me exceeding kindnes / never vrged my cōscience to any corruption / yea promi∣sing never to vrge it / as in deede he never did / and so I lived long with him / ād might longer if I would / yea to this day he is very kinde vnto me God have the praise, andv recompense it into his bosome. Further / when they wrote to my frends to alienate their hearts / and countenances / God the more stirred them vp towards me. Moreover these afflictiōs / cōtroversies and trials hath God vsed as a meanes to make me more diligent in studies: to seeke encrease in the knowledg of strange tongues: to search more into / and study the Scriptures, the olde ād nevv vvriter: to consider more seriously the dealings both of true and false Churches in all ages / how the true seeke to cover their sins and corruptions / as the false their falshoode: how the members of the one / as of the other are lead vsually by the ordinances and traditions of their governours / and not by sound iudgment out of Gods vvorde, how they receive / and holde many points / because the Pastor, and Elders so holde / and not of due triall / or sound iudgment. But let the true schollers ādvv disciples of Christ learne Christ othervvise. In a worde as the trials / tribulations and losses are many / which come to vs by these vniust dealings of brethren: so also in these (as in persecution and banishment) it is found / that thex spirit in the vpright hearted winneth more / then the

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flesh leaseth: thoughy the outward mā sometime decay, the inward renueth: though the spirit be often vveak, ready to faint, and slide yet the Lordz put∣teth vnder his hand, and helpeth. Many moe blessings spirituall and tem∣porall could I reckon / and these as a taste have I sett downe / but I know my brethren, except they leave of their olde maners / will pervert and mis∣conster these things: as Dan. St. did the Scripture, saying. The wicked floo∣rish and prosper. To which I answered with thea Scripture. The righteous shall floorish like a palme tree &c. These things I say I have related / and the Lord he knoweth not in disgrace or reveng of my brethren, not in vaine-glory or praise of my selfe: but to shew that as Mr. vvhittingam, and other godly have found in their ages / so finde wee: also to stirr vp men to honour God whob comforteth the abiect / ād following thec Apostles example, even hereby the more to stop adversaries mouths: as also tod observe the Lordes dealing in all things. Who is wise, that he may observe these things, for they shall vnderstand the loving kindnes of the Lord.

Mr. Horne and Mr. Chambers reported that Bullinger liked the English booke, but vvhen it came to be tried, it vvas found contrary, and that they abvsed Bullingers and Calvins names.

So Mr. F. I. reported as if Mr. Arminius and Mr. Plancius, the dutch Preachers, were of his iudgment in deteining the writings delivered to him vpon condition by his Father: as also in not submitting the cause to arbi∣tramēt: but when inquiry and triall was made / they were found far other∣wise: Mr. Arminius saying / that the writings were not the Pastours, except he kept the conditions: that he taking them of his Father eyther received them / ād then it must be vpon the condition: or else catched them from him / ād if he so did / it was as to mock his Father, which if the Magistrates knew / they would chastise: thus Mr. Arminius tolde vs that he said to the P. face: and that the P. contended with him / whether he said that the Magistrates would ipsum flagellare: that is / whip him / to which Mr. Armi. answered / that he would not contend vpon the worde / or maner which the Magistrates would vse / but he was persuaded / that they would sharpely rebuke him: Concerning Mr. Plancius the other preacher he tolde vs that he said to the P. face also (that the things being true / which his Father reported of him / and he thought he would not say that his F. lied) that then he would prove (either corā legitimo iudice or arbitratio) before what iudg he would choose / that he dealt neither godlily / nor naturally with his F. And yet would the P. pretend as if the preachers disalowed not his dealing / yea as if they were of his iudgment. Concerning their iudgment in submitting the cause / which the P. would not: Mr. Arminius signified that he laboured to persuade him thereto: ād proved that he ought from Act. 15. but he found him to carp and catch at wordes / to deale sophistically / to bring out litem ex lite, quae∣stionem ex quaestione, and so to make no end of contending. Also he said that he perceived the black man which was with the Pastor / but vnderstoode not latine, much to stirr vp the P. and hinder him from yeelding when he related to him in English what. Mr. Arminius said to the P. in latin. Let men now iudg whether M. Armi. approved his dealing / or was of his iudgmēt?

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Mr. Plācius tolde vs that he vrged him with many reasons / that they ought not to be both parties ād Iudges in their owne case, but ought to submit it to others: that he shewed him the maner both in ecclesiastical ād civil affaires to be / to proceede from one to another: that in their Church the mēbers had liberty / if they found themselves wronged by the Elders or Church to ap∣peale to the Classis: from the Classis to a provincial sinode: ād thence to a na∣tionall. The like he said he also shewed him to be in their civill government / that they might appeal frō one court to another. He further tolde vs that he vrged / ād demaunded of the Pastor, what a member might do finding him∣self wronged by a whole Church: wherevnto he would not answer plainly or directly / but dealt captiously / and howsoever Mr. Plan. reasoned / he still boasted of his and the Churches autoritie: which Mr. Plā. told him was not the question / neither denied he it vnto them: but he shewed that his dealing was to vsurp authority, and at lenght told him that he challēged a papal au∣thority, seing he would submit to none / but still cry authority, authority &c. yea he tolde him plainly that the Iesuites would pretēd the Churches autho∣rity and conscience in excommunicating ād persecuting their owne Fathers. Thus dealt Mr. Armin. ād Mr. Plā. both of them relating the summe of their dealings to the Pastors Father, and to G.I. and yet the pastor was not asha∣med to pretend / and blear the eies of his people (among whom his word vsually is as Ghospel) as if the dutch preachers disalowed not his dealing / but were of his minde: now let the godly wise iudg of this dealing / ād whe∣ther he abuse not these preachers (as M. Horne, did Calv. ād Bulling.) to colour his corruption. And in deede these shifts and colours are to vsuall with the Pastor, to say things / but not to prove them / as also the grace of vpright dea∣ling is much decaied in him / he will say and unsay / promise / and break pro∣mise / yea his owne hand writing is not sufficient proofe against him / but he wil finde one shift or other to colour his dealing / and to put of for a time whatsoever is brought against him: and what he saith / his people holde it for truth / though it be contrary to his former writing ād practise in time of his sincerity. Wel let him take heede vp Mr. Hornes example who by such shiftse deceived his owne soule / til he came to grievous foulnes and corrup∣tion least he also fall to the like: forf. evill men and deceivers shall wax worse and worse deceiving, and being deceived.

D. Cox not leaving suttelty, and flattery in his letter to Mr. Calv. excuseth themselves that they put order in their Church without his counsel asked.

The Pastor also (as is reported) beginneth now to excuse himselfe that then proceeded ād ordeined Elders without cōsent of the reformed Churches. I would this were true / that he were come to this humility / but I suspect that latet angnis sub herba: flattery in the wordes / but poison therevnder: for he hath beene offended at vs for seeking the counsel ād help of the refor∣med Churches, and shamed not to call it apostacy: so that what he meaneth by that speach / I know not / but I trust him not till I see his repentance in practise: forg he that hateth, wil coūterfeit with his lips, but in his heart be laieth vp deceit: though he speak favourably, beleeve him not: for there are seven abo∣minations in his heart.

D. Cox and the rest also in their letters spared not to speak vn truths of their

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brethren, praised themselves, and boasted of their proceedings.

In the very same footsteps walke the P. Dan. Stud. Tho. Bishop, and the rest / as the letters which they have written / and now I have by me de∣clare / as also their setting downe of the causes of excōmunicating their bre∣thrē: so as it seameth they forget theh Apost. exhortatiō / which saith / cast of lying, ād speak every man truth vnto his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

They also alledged, and pretended reasons for their dealings, as thorow the booke of trobles appeareth.

So the P. doth in his letters / and no doubt will in his boasted answer / as appeareth by their pretended cautions.

As Mr. Calvin wrote then, that they might soone, and easily be confuted, and that they were more addict to ceremonies, then to reason.

So no doubt the godly wise wil discerne how soone ād easily the cautions or reasons of these men also are and wilbe discovered and answered / and that they are more addict toi self wil / ād travel rather vpon wordes / then to Gods vvorde, or vpon godlines.

Mr. Calvin espied their suttelty and craftines many vvaies, exhorted to end matters with quietnes, the one party to yeeld if might conveniently: the other to relent from vrging ceremonies: rashnes not to be vsed. nevv contentions not to be vnluckely stirred vp: privy grudges of former contentions not to remai∣ne, being a griefe, if but suspition of secret debate remained: he wrote that the fault alredy vvas to much, if it vvent no further: to purge vvhatsoever remai∣ned of the breach: that agrement should be firme and stable: that not inough to do vvel in some things, ād to oppresse their brethrē by fraudulent, and craf∣ty practises: that their dealing vvith Knox vvas neither godly, not brotherly: that better to have staied in their country: that they ought to be vvounded, and make a mends for the fault.

Oh that the P. had had a heart to follow this / and such like counsel: for I know he had read it / and I offered to shew the booke to him ād to D. St. in the open congregation / but thatk scorner Dan. Stud. scoffed me / saying that I should bring my whole library with me / and so shifted of that which I desired thē to reade / ād cōsider: far were they from ending matters quietly: though G.I. yeelded so much as he might with a good cōscience / yet would they not relent: though he protested (they vrging him thereto) yet would they rashly ād violently proceed: having brokē their former covenāt / they stirred vp contentions new and olde: so as it plainly appeared / that the agreement was not firme and stable / that privy grudges remained / specially in D. St. that irreconciliable man / thatl cannot be appealed: yet will they cover all their dealīgs vnder the name of the Church,m crying the Church hath done it / the Church hath done it: and vnder title thereof oppresse their brethren fraudulently / and by crafty practises. The Dutch preachers partly per∣ceived their dealings / and vsed many persuasions to draw them to a quiet ending of matters / but they would not / they would and will be parties ād iudges in their owne cause: yea the P. seduced by D. St. would not be drowē by any meanes, which his Father vsed / to a godly and peacable triall and en∣ding of matters: but most vnnaturally and vngodlily excommunicated

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him also. The Lord, who in that age stirred vp Mr. Calvin, stirr vp in this age some faithfull men / who may not onely exhort him / but not cease / til he come to see / and acknowledg that it had beene better for him never to have come out of his lād / then to deal so cruelly / vngodlily / and vnnaturally / that so he may be wounded / repent / and make amends for his fault: which duety the Apost. requireth saying.n Exhort one another daily, while it is cal∣led, To day, least any of you be hardened through the deceitfulnes of sin.

The brethrē stil striving against their ceremonies, and seperating therefrom, vvere not onely accused of contention &c. but novv also of schisme: proofe ād trial being offered that it vvas no schisme, every departure being not a scisme, and arbiters desired: trial and arbiters are refused, they vvould be as parties, so also Iudges.

The P. Dan. Stud. and the rest accused / and stil accuse the standers forth against their sins and corruptions of contentiousnes slaunder etc. ād when they refused to ioine with them in their corruptions / and would not suffer such as had apostated to offer vp in office their sacrifices, ād to be their mouth vnto God, then they were also accused of scisme: the brethren and sisters she∣wing by theo Scriptures that it was no scisme / but a lawful seperatiō / desie∣ring that the reformed Churches might heare / try / iudg / and end it by the vvord of God: proofes / trials / and iudges were refused / they would / and wilbe iudges being parties.

It is there and then noted that their refusal of trial and iudgment of the godly vvise, might, and still may make men suspect the cause to be nought.

The P. and D. St. not onely by their refusal / but more apparantly have shewed their cause now to be badd: for in Abrah. Crockendines and Chri∣stoph. Simkins matter / they were contēted (when they were persuaded they had a good cause / and were able to iustify it) that the reformed Churches dutch, ād french should hear / try iudg ād end it betweene them by the vvord of God: but when we desier the same / and earnestly by all meanes labour for it at their hāds / they wil not consent. Let therefore the godly wise con∣sider what is to be (not onely suspected but) truly gathered and iudged of their cause ād dealing. Christp saith plainly that every man that evil doeth, hateth the light, neither commeth to the light, least his deedes should be repro∣ved. But he that doeth truth, commeth to the light, that his deedes might be made manifest, that they are vvrought according to God.

When Mr. Whittingam proved that D. C. and the rest falsely accused them of scisme, and shevved their reasons to be suttell, and false, they vvould still add one thing or other, seeke cavillings about the Donatists: ād the Churches of Asia, being excommunicate for not keeping Easter day: they vvould aske questions: quarrel about the vvord (if) and such like: all vvhich being ansvvered (that the Donatists seperated not for corruptions, or Ceremonies, but vvere heretiks: that the excommunicating of them of Asia vvas vniust, that Pope Victor vvas sharply reproved, and condemned for the same by Ire∣neus, and other godly men asvvell of that time as sithens: that further the vvorde (if) vvas not alvvaies taken conditionally) he stil sought trial and arbi∣trament of the matter, but they stil ansvvered that arbiters they should have gone, but if any vvere greeved, they should come to the Pastour, and Elders,

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others they should have none, and if they found themselves agreeved, they should seeke remedy vvhere they could, and the P. vvith the rest of the con∣gregation vvould ansvver them.

So like as may be have these dealt with vs / yea worse: for when it was proved to them by William Asplin / and El. Asplin out of theq Scriptures, that seperating from the false teacher Mr. Ainsvvorth, and ioyning to the true Pastor, M. Iohnson was not schisme / they vrged them with the Donatists, demaunded questions / cavilled about one word or other: pleaded that the Church had done it / and it could not be vndone: which obiectiō being taken away by sundryr Scriptures given to them in writing / and arbitrament de∣sired / they refused the one / ād the other: yea we seeking the help of the Dutch and French Churches, the P. D. St. Stan. Mercer, and others cry (as they did) we and the Church wil answer it / other arbiters they wil not have: at length when brethren wil not yeeld to their wils / they (worse then they of Frankford, ād like to them in Isaiah the Prophet) excommunicate them.

Mr. Whittingam proceeding, and shevving the causes of their seperation. 1. their breach of promise established vvith invocatiō of Gods name. 2. their orderles thrusting themselves into the Church. 3. taking avvay the order of discipline established before their comming and placing no other. 4. the ac∣cusation of Mr. knox, their godly Myn. of treason, and seeking his bloode. 5. their overthrovving of the common order taken and commaunded by the Magistrate. 6. the displacing of officers vvithout any cause alledged. 7. the bringing in of papistical superstitions and vnprofitable ceremonies, vvhich vvere burthens, yokes, and clogs, besides others things vvhich if they vvould abide the trial, they should heare at large. When these reasons vvere rendered vvarme vvordes passed to and fro.

Partly the same / partly alike / and many moe causes had G.I. to sepe∣rate. as 1. thes breach of promise twise or thrise / the promise having beene twise confirmed with the seal of the covenāt. 2. their orderlest taking the Churches authority from them / and breaking promise with them / when they had promised the Church that the P. vvives apparell should be tried. 3. Before the P. ād D. Stud. comming / their was order appointedv to visit from house to house, and to examine their profiting in godly knowledg: after their comming theyvv brake this / ād placed no other. 4. theirx refusal of William Eiles. to be officer, when hee had most voices of the Church, and would render no reason / but kept mens voices in their hāds to dispose as they pleased. 5. theiry keeping in office Hēry Ainsvvorth who had before apostated: ād yet had crept into office. 6. theirz breaking the order in choo∣sing officers, which the Church had practised / a their hands having writ∣ten / and subscribed / it to be according to Gods vvorde, namely that apostates should not be chosen. 7. their seekingb Lordly authority over their brethren. 8. the P. continualc perverting of the Scriptures, and making invective lectures. 9. their vntrue / d odious and horrible accusations / scoffs and taunts / and when they could not herewith prevaile their wishing of Magi∣stracy, thereby manifesting their desier to execute their cruel mindes against our bodies / bloodes and lives / if they could have had power: these and

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such like causes had G.I. to seperate / yet did he not / but stil dealt thorow Gods grace and strength to theire faces, til violently in a rage / the P. (when no other would) pronounced the sentence of excom. against him / even in his owne cause.

But when VV.A. E. A. and others seperated and shewed the causes thereof / then the P. D. St. and the rest fretted / railed / reviled / scoffed / and flouted them: in so much as F. A. so gratiously rebuked their scoffing / as the P. and Mr. Ainsvv. (howsoever D. St. remained shameles) were in some forte ashamed / and seamed to cōfesse their fault / though afterward they would not / neither to this day wil leave it. Lastly / when the Pastors Father seperated / and shewed them the causes thereof / oh / how not onely hoate and warme / but fierce / outra∣gious / and past the bonds of godlines / civility and nature became they? as appeareth by the proceedings.

It is aftervvard noted, that the P. and myn. sought their ease, credit, main∣tenance &c. and that the persecutors of their brethren made their exile a re∣creation.

What the P. (and specially D. St.) seeketh is to plaine: how daintely (it is reported) they live I write not: in what exercises of recreation they and others with them spend their time to the offense of many Tho. Bishopp can tel them / whom I wished to certify them thereof. D. St. seeking also of the viage to Guiana, where he heard abundance of flesh was etc. / yea he being so earnest / as he was redy to fal out with the P. because he was not so for∣ward as he: D. St. seeking also that they might be chief Magistrates among themselves: these / and such desiers bewray their affections / that I speak not of any more particulars there about / but refer it to the consciences of the P. D. St. and the rest: withal wishing them hereafter to looke rather to Gods glory / faithful and humble walking / then to their owne ease / credit / pleasure / plenty / or such like: forf It is a good thing, that the heart be stablished with grace, not with meates, which have not profited them that have beene occupied therein.

They permitted some to their consciences touching ceremonies, not of con∣science, but (as Mr Cole wrote to his frend) because they perceived the sturdy defending thereof wroght them that they looked not for, or rather that which they were loth to see, namely the decreasing of their company, which yet they laboured with policies what they might or could to prevēt: yet (saith he) that which they feare I suppose vvil fal vpon them, except God give them to repēt their olde faults and humble them more to knovw themselves: and in deede it is observed that from that time forward there were such trobles and conten∣tions, as men might see it to be the iust iudgmēt of the righteous God for their evil dealing against their brethren.

Surely / if Mr. Cole now lived he could not more touch the P. D. St. and the rest to the quick thē to tel them this: for the very same things have they permitted / ād heavy iudgments are fallen vpon them alredy: they permit∣ted (and no doubt in the like policy to hold their number / they vsing many policies ād sleights to make their number many / but few to make it good / I say they permitted) men and weomen in their consciences to hold the ex∣comunication vnlawful / so as they would walke with them / and walk to∣wards G.I. as an excōmunicate: those that āswered that that wasg dissem∣bling / ād they would not so do / them they also excom. those who tooke their

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permission they held by them / but God hath sundry waies punnished such dissembling / some being dispersed / some fallē away: some fallen to anabap∣tistry? some of them waxen colde in religion / andh fade like a leafe: some asleepe: and some become more bitter enemies then the rest: these things I write not / as reioicing / the Lord knoweth, but warrāted by the examp. of thei Prophet ādk Apost. thereby to draw them to repentance / the same sins and iudgments being found among them.

When one contention ended (stil the seas svvelling) another begun.

Even so in this congregation: yea it would make a volume to reckon all: but they will (I know)l wrest the Scriptures, and bring the olde excuse / that true Churches have vsually contentions: which is true / but it is one thing to have contentionsm as trials vvho are approved: another to have them asn punnishments for the Pastors, officers, or Churcheso negligences and sins. Consider also if the Chur. at Frankf. or any other Chur. standing in corruptions may not plead the like: and what you would answ. to them against their evils / minde the same as answ. against yours: and let P. and people rather strive to walk vprightly / then by perverting the Scriptures top dawb vp their sins: but if they wil stil strive for their sins and corruptiōs / their excuses and dawbings wil fall / and let them remember theq threat∣nings against such / as also againstr the Churches of Theatira and Sardi, where the P. and Churches were generally corrupted / and redy to die / some fevv names excepted.

They at Frankf. hearing that an open Chur. vvas granted at Wezell to the English there, feared that many vvould go from them thither.

The P. D. Stu. and the rest like not to heare that a Church should be established at Londō, or that the Church of Norvvich encreaseth / they would have all to come to them / to fill vp their number / to encrease their contri∣bution etc. witnes the one / their cōtinual disgracing of the pastor ād Church at Norvvich, and the drawing of people from thence vnto them. Witnes the other their dealing about the people at London, who would have had Mr. Cr. their teacher, but by their devises they made a iarre betweene the people and him / wherevpon hes stumbled and fell / the Lord give him repentance / if not / as at his / so at their hands wil his blood be required / they having by their dealing driven him away. How fearful also have they beene that G.I. would have gathered a people? How angry have they beene / that any heard him? How many meanes have they vsed to draw all vnto themsel∣ves? Herein have they far exceeded them at Frankford. The Lord work in them more love and vprightnes / and decrease in them repiningt self seeking and self liking / which (as among the Priests ād Pharisees, so also) is to much among them.

Some of them offered to give over their offices, but they did that in mouth, vvhich as it seamed, they did not in heart: for vvhen occasion came to try them, they held them the faster: so cunning vvere they.

In like maner were to be suspected the P. and Dan. Stud. offers to give over their places / and that they had aliquid latens, evil lurked: for now they domineere ad placitum, as they list. Lurking H. Ainsvvorth also it

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may be / maketh many profers of giving over his office in a smoothe show / to make the people the egerer to holde him in. If the P. D. Stud. or he deny that there is cause of suspition / I can tel them of their secret dealings in these matters more then they think of: as in part I have shewed to the P. some things in private / which were shrowd tokens of sinister affections. And men may see how even these corruptions are in these troblers now / as they were in those then. So like coverings ofd figg leaves do men stil sevv together in every age to cover their sins and corruptions.

The brethren vvho yeelded not to their ceremonies, but vvent to Geneva vvere called madd heads, and many other vncharitable names in a sermon.

The very same word was G.I. reviled with by Mr. B. in the open con∣gregation, yet was not Mr. B. admonished / and called to repentāce by them: but no wonder / for the P. himself in his sermons continually almost so revi∣led his brother, that sundry were ashamed: yea calumnies / scoffings / rai∣lings / and taunts were so vsual with the P. and D. St. and the rest / that G.I. many times passed them over / onely he sometimes noted them to them / and stil he passeth them over / desiering theirv repentance for other sins against God, his vvorship, and people. and then he doubteth not / but they wilbe li∣kewise ashamed of these / and learne to know themselves and him also bet∣ter: which the Lord work in them.

These agreements are found in the foreparte of the trobles at Frankford, and one vvould think these vvere inough, and to many: but mo, and more manifest (if manifester may be) do follovv.

Mr. Horne, the P. and Mr. Ashley fel into controversy, but vvere made frends, yet it seameth some troble som persons stirred vp the coales, vvhich vvere not easily quenched.

Mr. F. I. the pastor and G.I. fel out / the matter was ended / but Da. St.v troblesom head, questioning spirit, and contentious braine sought to stirr it vp / and at length stirred vp it was / and hath never since truly (how∣soever in shew) beene quenched.

Mr. Ashley vvas sent for by the El. to an house of the Elders, and accused of iniury done not onely to the P. but to all the E. and their ministery.

G.I. was sent for by the El. to the P. house / and accused of iniury done to the P.w. and the pastour: and afterward they accused him of slaunders / false accusations and evil surmises not onely against the P and his vvife, but ag. the Elders ioyntly / and severally / yea against the whole Church.

Mr. Ashley denied that ever he did iniury to them at any time.

G.I. also denied their accusations / and shewed his rebuking of the pastors vvife to be iust / as also his admonitions and dealings with the Elders and Church to be iust.

The next day Mr. Ashley vvas called by the P. and E. after the meeting into the Church, and again accused of slaundering them and their ministery.

G.I likewise was by the pastor and Elders after the publik meeting cal∣led / and accused by them as before.

Mr. Ashley refused to ansvver before them as competent Iudges of the cause in their ovvne matter.

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G.I. also desired of the Church that the P. and D. Stud. being his accusters might not be his Iudges. The Pastor vrged the Chur. not to grant / because (said he) if a Iudg vpon the bench should accuse a thiefe, the thiefe might not plead to have him from the bench. G.I. answered the P. and requested the Church to weigh the comparison aright: to witt: If a Iudge having recei∣ved a stollen horse from a thiefe and so become accessary / should accuse the charger and rebuke of the thiefe / that he were a standerer / a wicked fellow / a thiefe etc. and wol o procede against him / and be his Iudg: whether then the true man might nt refuse him to be Iudg in his owne case / he being be∣come a party and accuer: and desier his absence from the bench / and to come and stād by / til the a were tried. This was not answered / but the P. ād D. St. the accusers woo sit on the bench: and thogh G.I. shamed the case to be alike by their partaing in sins / pleading and daubing the P. vvives pride, and so no competent Iudges, yet could he not obteine of the congregation / but both at London ād at Amsterdam the P. ād D. St. so handled matters as being parties, vvit••••sses and accusers, they sat also as Iudges. How far such dealing was not oely fromvv godlines, but cōmon equity even among hea∣then men, let wismen iudg. Yet thus corrupt and heady were and are they in their coruptions.

Some of the bethren there required the P. and E. in M. Ash. name that they would not procede against him in that cause vvherein they themselves were a parte, and therefore not fit or competent iudges, but that they vvould refer it to others, and he vvould submit himself if he were found in fault: the P. wolde not but threatned that they had received authority and vvould keepe it.

Likewise sine of the Church here dealt with the P. and D. St. that they would not be accusers and Iudges in their own cause: but the people being not vvise inough (as they at Frankf. were) to becōstāt / were deceived by the P. and D. St. who got their wils / and becamex cōmaunders in their owne case / the P. threatnīg that he wold be gone: D. St. pretending the peoples ignorance etc. Herevpon G.I. seing this dealing brought with him the book of the trob. at Frankf. and would have shewed how the dealings of the tvvo Pastors Mr. Horne and Mr. Iohnson, and of their assistants Mr. Chambers and Mr. Studly agreed / but he could not be suffered or heard / but was scoffed and gybed by Dan. Studley: and so with scoffing they shifted of answer / nei∣ther did the congregation reprove him / or call for due trial: and in deede they Scripture sheweth the nature of such scorners: for a scorner (saith Salomon) loveth not him that rebuketh him, neither vvil he go vnto the vvise.

The P. then pretēded iustice, the good of the Church ād that he vvould pro∣ceede so much the more sharply against M.A. by hovv much it might be more profitable to the vvhole Chur. to make him being a vvorshipful man an exam∣ple to other to take heede and bevvare by Ashley.

The P. now pretended that he would not spare his brother / ād to that endz perverted Deut. 33.9. as also that other should know that he wold spare none. In deede if Mr. Ashley or G.I. had beene Idolaters as they were against whom Levi dealt / or heretiks / or vile persōs / then these Pastors bolde∣nesses and courages were to be cōmended as theirs in Deut. 33.9. but they reproving the stand E. sins: and the P. ād E. davvbing vp their corruptions:

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their boldnes is rather the stoutnes ofa. Pashut, the rage ofb Amaziah, ād perverting of Gods word / as the brethren abvsed the name of God, when they said. Let God be glorified, ād cast out their brethr. ād they thatd solde the sheepe said, blessed be the Lord.c And therefore their threats / and excom. not to be feared / but to be borne with patiēce / ād stil to be faithful / following the examp. of thee. Prophets, Apost. and the godly in like cases before vs.

Much a doe there was to know if the P. ād E. were parties and who were ac∣cusers: the P. in the name of all answ. that they were not a parte, but Ashly had slaundered them all, but who were his accusers they answered not.

As he and the E. then: so the P. and D. St. now would have put of the answ. by saying that G I. was a liar a slaunderer etc. but G.I. shewing to the Chur. by the Script. that he ought not to āswer before he knew his accusers, at length the P. and D. St. being much vrged by the Church burst out / and said they were his accusers: wherevpon was much a doe / that then they might not also be iudges: as before is noted / but hereto they yeelded not.

The brethren meeting together that the contention might be ended, and peace had, the P. accused them of dāger of schisme or tēding thereto, ād threa¦tned that he vvold vse ecclesiastical discipline ag. M. Hales for vvriting about it.

I take it the P. and Da. Stu. have not forgotten how they handled G.I. when the brethren consulted about choise of officers, and that by consent of the P. and E. namely how they reviled G.I. and W.E. when they went by appointement of the brethren from one brother to another to know their mindes / seing the brethrens poverty was such as it wold not suffer them to have any time frō their work to meete together / whē I say they saw there devises frustrated hereby / then they reviled vs asf crepers into houses, se∣ducers of brethren, ād sought most bitterly to vex vs: yea they could not en∣dure that W. A. and two or three of vs should be together / but presently theyg surmised / that there was some consultation against them and so be∣wrated they guiltines of consciēce / being (as it were)h afraid at the sound of a leaf shaken: and touching threatnings of ecclesiastical censures, the P. far excedeth and dealeth worse then M. H. therein / as his rash excom. declare.

The P. dealt cunningly, and got a decree from the Magistrate: to which the brethren answered, that vniust threats vvere not to be feared, that the decree vvas against leud and vvicked men, sectaries, and factious persons, and not a∣gainst peace sekers and vnity makers, ād they doubted not but the Magistrate vvould praise their dealing, if they came to knovv it, hovvsoever they vvere slaundered as troblesom, and vnquiet men.

There wanted no will in the P. and D. St. to have had the like decree if they could as witnessed their often wishing of Magistracy: ād it is to be fea∣red if they had Magist. they would abvse them worse then M.H. did. But in meane time G.I. willed them to vse such threats to them who had not beene in the Magist. hands / or having bene were not faithful: for they knew he had bene in their hands / and God have the praise / was neither made a∣fraid by their threats / nor by their evil deds: and in deedei princes are not to be feared for good vvorkes, but for evil: apostates, who have feared mens faces / and have bene vnfaithful may fear such threats / but vpright consciē∣ces neede not to fear / though vnfaithful proud P. crafty E. ād such like accuse

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them for reproving their wives ād their sins / to be troblesom / vnquiet and contentious. Let them know thek righteous are bolde, as a Lion.l Pashurs smiting turned to his ovvne and frends terrour:m. Amaziahs rage to his, ād his posterities vvoe, and then. vniust casting out of brethren, to the shame of them that cast them out: these things saith God in his worde vvho cānot he.

The brethren offered to give account of their dealings vnder paine of the extremest censure of the Chur. before competent iudges, it was grāted, letters were read: Mr. Hales was cleared: the P. and E. confessed some private offenses, but reserved some clauses to themselves: the brethren also reserved some cau∣ses, and kept their liberty, but that pleased not the P. though it were measured by his ovvne rule &c.

In like sort / when G.I. offered account and proofe / sometimes the P. ād D St. were content and being found guilty some faults were confessed / as scoffings keeping things in writing to catch advātages etc. but they would not confes all / somewhat they would reserve to themselves whereby they made the contention hoter then before: when G.I. also acknowledged as they did, though it were after their owne measure it pleased them not: but they would have an acknowledgmēt as they listed / ād in what wordes they pleased which he could not in good cōscience yeeld to / ād offered thē his rea∣sons to writing why he could not so doe / which they would not so much as reade / but cast them away / and so violētly proceeded / o binding heavie bur∣dens / and grievous to be borne.

They sought to get the Churches authority into their hāds, but were hinde∣red by godly ād faithful brethrē: vvhen they could not do vvhat they list, they vvould leave their places, and so made much trouble.

These sought it / (and the brethren being not faithful / but caused by theirp leaders to err, vvho threatned to be gone &c. they) got it ād so drew them toq commit sin with them / and made them guilty also.

Mr. H. had many pretences to delay answ. and put of matters, but stil the Chur. kept her authority, and vrged him, and the E. to their dueties.

The P. and D. St. dealt most shiftingly / ād cunningly: and wouldr God the Chur. had kept her authority / as that at Frankf. did which it not being / they then did ād stil do what they please to this day: whereby sincerity hath decreased / and corruption in the officers and administration hath encreased.

The P. and E. wrote letters, wherein their renounsal ād denying of their mini∣stery vvas shevved, the Pastor read them, but vvould not deliver them, or a copy thereof, though most earnestly requested by the brethren.

These also do the like: for writing the points in controversy betweene the dutch Chur. and them, they read them to the brethren: but a copy being requested / it could not be obteined / and yet they wrote it in the name of all. Again when in the controversy betweene them, ād G I. they wrote about 30. articles ag. him he requested a copy to consider of / they denied it and yet would have him answer the particulars in writing. Further they gave their cautions to the Dutch Chur. in the name of all the breehren, yet when some of the brethren have desired a copy / they denied pretending one excuse / or other / as before is shewed: And it declareth / thats they do evil / and not truth.

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The brethren vvrote the proceedings, noted them, and subscribed them: vvhich the Pastour and Elders could not endure.

G.I. writing the proceedings the P. and D. St. fretted / and forbad him / earnestly dealing with the Chur. to forbid him: but G.I. shewed to the Chur. reasons fromt Gods vvord, and the practise of these at Frankf: that he ought and might write / and so he continued writing / whereat the P and D. St. so chafed / as they would have had the Church to take his paper ād pē away: but he desiered the brethrē not to offer him thatv. inuy ād opprestō.

The P. there commaunded silence, else he vvould be gone: after he preten∣ded distinctions hovv he meant his departure.

So the P and D. St. when any thing pleased them not / commaundedvv silence, ād though they were found in open faults / (as when the P. threatned also, that he vvould be gone) yet they would distinguish / ād finde one shift or other / rather then they would yeelde.

When it vvas shevved the P. that in the discipline there vvas no order hovv to procede vvith the P. and E. being parties, and that therein the discip. ought to be amended, then be vvould be gone, and ran to the Church doore, but seing fevv follovv him, ād by the advise of some, returned: being again vrged he ran avvay to the third time, yet stil returned: at length vvhen the brethren stil requested amendmēt, ād shovved that it vvas vniust dealing to admit them to be makers of decrees in their ovvn cases, be sought occasions to be gone, and pronounced that he dissolved the assembly.

Here we may see how hardly P. and E. are governed orx amended when they seeke themselves / or are found in offences / and what this P. would have done if the Church had resisted his headines / his wordes declare / when he said he vvould be gone if she might not weare the apparell. And I must be bolde to say / that I think he wolde in deede have left / ād runn from the congregatiō reasons also I have to induce me so to think / parte where of I have shewed to him in private betweene vs: and when his boasted answer to these things cometh forth / (which wil prove but shadowes and showes I am persvaded / as M. Hornes vvere) if he desier to have them fur∣ther declared / I shal. And let him mark if whatsoever he saith for himself the same might not also be said of and for Mr. H. Such pastours ought of∣ten to be admonished to read Ier. 13. and Ezech. 13. and 34

It is vvonder to see hovv the P. vvith his learning and shifts soght to ansvv. all matters, yea hovv they that pleaded for him, and his authority broght forth of the olde store, and houshould stuff of Pighius and Eckius of the primacy of the Pope vnder the name of the pastoral authority, and proofe thereof: but the Lord by the brethren discovered them, and all their suitelties.

In like maner what shiftes / what distinctions / obiectings of ignorance to others / pretences / y pervertings of scrip. ād cordes of vanity this P. harly vsed ina daubing vp his vvifes pride: in covering Mr. Set and Da. St. ••••nchings: in deceiving M. Ley. the Elders, ād the whole Church: in daubing their theo∣sing apostates into office / and so mainteining a false Minister among them: in excō. them who rebuke and stand against their sins and corruptione: and in sundry other their dealings about Mr. Sla. W. Eiles. Dani. Stud. Robert Baily, and many others have I seene and knowen / and this discourse will

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partly declare to others: as also in their boasted answer we shal see whatb balme / ould store / and stuff the P. H. Ainsvv. D. St. ād Stan. Merc. can bring out of that they have read or heard for mainteining of false worship / ād cor∣ruptions: and stil I must exhort them to mark / if whatsoever they say for themselves in their sins ād corruptiōs / the same may not also bec returned againe vpon them by others for that which they condemne in false / or other true Churches.

M.H. and Mr. C. in all their dealings vvould not ansvv. directly, and hovv∣soever they dealt, stil they vsed all their frovvardnes, policy, craft, suttelty and malitious accusations, that as they vvere parties, so they might also be iudges.

To this day Mr. F. I. and Dan. St. have shewed themselves the like in bending all their wies and cunnings to be (as parties / so also) iudges in their owne cases: which to cōtrary to thed Scriptures, as before is shewed.

It is noted in Mr. H. and Mr. C. that they vvere vnvvilling to have any order for keeping in of the Pastor, and Elders.

This vnwillingnes have and do these declare / yea though the P. in word confesse an order / yet wil he not be subiect to it in practise: he was angry when Mr. Plancius the dutch preacher shewed it to him.

It vvas found to be dangerous, that one man alone should keepe the mony of the contribution, and not to be accountable: there vvere also some that had the name of deacons, but Chamb. vvas director and disposer of all yea M. H. was so grosse as to threaten to stop mens veines, and he and Chambers gave vvhere they listed, and vvithheld vvhere they pleased.

Lamentable experience hath this congregation had / of suffering one man alone to keepe the mony / which was perceived / when Mr. Bovvman (against his wil) was brought to be accountable, and to this day he wil not be brought to shew his accounts to every brother that desiereth to see them / which sheweth hise deedes to be evil. Now thogh moe deacons be ioined to him who carry the name / yet it seameth D. Stud is the disposer: and the P. though he be not so gross as M.H. to threaten openly / yet he / and D. St. shut and opē the purse as they list: they that flatter them get the more they that tell them their corruptions get the lesse / and vsually none. If they deny this / let the deacons booke be seene / and it will be evident: as also they know their bad dealing with the mony which was sent from M W. for the poore.

Mr. H. and Mr. C. made a shevv of vprightnes, but they vvho knevv them knevv othervvise.

This P and. D. Stud. no doubt will pretend more for themselves then they did / but they are wel known to some by their dealings / sof as they can∣not deceive them / howsoever by their smoothg workes they deceive others.

It is noted, that as Mr. H. policy, craftines, and suttelty continued and encreased, so the brethrēs faithfulnes, care, vvisdome and courage encreased, so as M. H. and C. vvere taken in their ovvne policies, and kept from their offices, God vvorking for the good of the Church

Oh that as M. F. I. encreased in suttelty and evill: so the people had en∣creased in wisdome / godlines / and good things / but theyh faded like leaves from trees, and it seemeth the Lord being angry with them suffered them to be seduced, so as we may say with thei Prophet, like priest, like people, and

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like people, like priest. If the people had beene faithful / no doubt thek Lord vvould have vvrought for good: but seing the people are negligent:i let them with the P. and D. St. take heede and repent, least they so provoke the Lord, that he either take them from his truth / or his truth from them. I.m again put them in rememberance of Brovvnes dealing / who was fierce / and se∣duced the people to Excō. the rebuker of his wifes ād other vveomens pride, and his daubing thereof / not one man remaining alive faithfull / who had their hand therein: as is before noted.

M.H. stil soght the troble ād hurt of his brethren, yea he spared not to accuse them of treason.

What the P. would have done against the people / if they had beene faith∣ful against his sins may appeare / in that he seeketh by him self and others the hurt of his brethren who have beene faithfull against his sins / so as he cannot indure that any should be frendly to them: and seing his malice hath so grown / as he shameth not falsely ād malitiously to accuse not onely brethren, but his owne Father of schisme / contention etc. and to excō. them / when they seeke his repentance and good / who knoweth what false and odious accusations he may seeke further to make? But this is our comfort / that theo. Lord beholdeth ād heareth such dealings, comforting the afflicted, and threatning such excommunicators.

M. Isaac speaking sharply, and making vvise to knovv a matter better, de∣sired to see a vvriting, vvhich being reached vnto him, he putt it vp in his bo∣some, neither vvould he give it againe.

Herein I shall not neede to tel the P. and D. St. how cunning they are to get writings / and keepe them when they have them: especially Mr. F.I. worse then Mr. Isaac: for he keepeth not cōditionsp or promise: I am per∣suaded the very reading hereof (if any spark of grace remaine in him) will make him blush / and be ashamed / that I say here no more of his dealing in particular / which cometh afterward to be also related.

Mr. H. and others desired copies of vvritings, but they were denied them for sundry causes, and so they vvere punnished vvith their ovvne rods, the stone rolled returned vpon them, they having denied (vvhen it vvas in their povver) to give copies.

If the P. ād D. St have found / or hereafter do finde (thorow their vnfaith∣fulnes) the like measure / let them thank themselves / and then remember. It is a iust punnishment not to trust the vntrusty:q they being vnto other as broken teeth and sliding feete.

They vvould have that granted to them, vvhich they vvould not grant to others, and they vvould force others to that which they vvould not do them∣selves.

This hath beene and is most vsuall with these / they wil have all / r but wil yeeld nothing: they must have their desier / see writings / and have pro∣mises performed / yet they wil deal as they list / and performe nothing.

Mr H. and C. having left their offices, much trobled the brethren: others being to be chosen they cavilled, and hindered: they would be in office againe: the brethren seing their evil dealing, suttelty, policy, stifnes, and (as they call it) canvasing craftines: their slaunderings of them as troblesom men, vnquiet

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persons bent to suffer no peace, accusing them of treason (as M. knox ‡ before was) and of betraiing, vndoing, and persecuting their P. and Elders: the brethren (I say) vvould not yeeld to them, but rather chose to be falsely spoken of, then to be openly derided for folly, and foolish facility, affirming, that foolish facility in yeelding vvas not to be vsed, nor constancy and vprightnes in a iust cause to be changed.

If this people had not beene seduced by the P. and E. but beene faithful / to draw thē to repētāce for their sins: if they had beene wise to discerne the craft / policy / and suttelty of them in desiring to give over their offices it is to be feared they would have dealt like Mr. H. and Mr. C. one way or other: for not onely our reportes / but their owne writings witnes their evil dea∣lings / accusing the rebukers of them as slaunderers, contentious, evil sur∣misers, scismatiks: yea some of thē have not spared to accuse some / as if they would have had the P. offic &c. and what more they wil say / their boasted āsw. shal shew: but let them know / that by Gods help wee wil rather suffer to be falsely spoken of / then be mocked / and trobled ins conscience for foolish facility and yeelding to them: we may not leaset peace with God to have peace with them: we may not let constancy fal in a iust cause thorowv flattery, suttelty / threatnings / cruelty / or fear of inconveniences / as hereto∣fore we have but being assured that God wil blesse / andvv vvork for good we may notx waver / but must holde cōtancy ād vprightnes in a iust cause / wiping away false reportes by faithful ād holy walking / hoping that the Lord wil one day give them (if they belong to him) to be wearie of their evil dealing / and draw them to a better minde / and holy walking according to their profession: which the Lord (howsoever mens deserts would let it) work for his mercy ād truths sake in Christ Iesus, God blessed ād to be obeied for ever, and ever. Amen. amen.

Mr. Horne vvould pretend to have a peace, ād to seeke it but he would ever ioine such conditions, as the brethren in good conscience could not consent vnto.

Even so the P. would sometimes in wordes pretende peace / but he would add such conditions / as he would extinguish / and quench all good cōscience if a man should yeelde to him: which wee mayy not do: for wee mustz follovv peace vvith all men: but holines adioined, vvithout vvhich no man shal see the Lord: withouta. peace / but not without holines may mē see the Lord: this must be had,b and that must not be left,c if it be possible, and so much as in vs is.

There vvas among their ordinances one set dovvn against apostates, but the publisher of the trobles noteth, that that vvas rased in the copy, vvhat (saith he) they meant by it, I knovv not.

The like dealing I finde vpon a writing / which the Elders had of me where some names / who witnessed the pride and immodesty of the P. vvives apparell were by the triers of the same noted / but rased out when I againe received it from the E. now what they meāt thereby / I know not / but men of any capacity may easily coniecture / that they meant no good dealing / ād that they were not willīg the vvitnessing should come tod light: as in deede it did not / for the P. and D. Stud. brake of the trial / and would not suffer

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the appointement of the Church to stand. This also giveth iust caus of suspition / that if the P. and E had such an ordinance against apostates, they would also ease it yea they give evidēt testimony thereof seing now cōtrary to their ownee. hand writings and practise / they mainteine and choose such into office: and very earnest hath the Past. beene to get his handwriting from me / which witnesseth against him in this question.

They had an order that the P. should open and declare all orders taken by him, and the Elders, vvhich vvere to be opened and published, and that no man might openly in the congregation reply vnto him: but if any thought himself to have cause to speak, he should come before the E in the place ap∣pointed for their meeting, and there to open his minde, and to be heard in charity indiffrently: this the brethren laboured and brought to be reformed: that the P. ād E. should not alone make orders, but the Chur. ād they iointly: that they offending should be proceeded vvith, as other members, and be sub∣iect to Christs ordinances so vvel, as others: as there the reader more at large may see and read.

The like order have the P. Dan. Stud. and the El. (though not in wordes / yet) by practise laboured / and stil cunningly labour to bring in / that what they propound / no man should openly reply against it / but he must come to them in private / and show what he hath to say / and then privately they work matters as they list: and to this end they pretend order: and if at any time men do offer to say any thing openly / Dan. Stud. so vrgeth them with great wordes (that they should speak with wisdome / knowledg / vnderstan∣ding and sure ground) as very few dare speak / though they be not persua∣ded of the truth of things in their consciences / yea though they be persuaded in the cōtrary: ād if they speak any thing that pleaseth not the E. then either Dan. Stud. with a feoff / or the P. with one suttelty or other seek to daunt / or seduce tē: to this end also they much alledg thef honour due to Eld. as if it were to deny them honor / to reply and stand forth against them / when they propound ād plead for vnlawful things: but the text sheweth otherwise: for as E. are worthy of double honour (but when? vvhen they rule vvell: which cause these boasting F. to much forget and cast behinde them) sog if they sin, they are to be rebuked openly, that others may feare: if they propound and plead for corruptions and vnlawful things they are not to be yeelded vntoh but resisted. On that there were here brethr. who (as they at Frākf.) could and would discerne the P. Dan. Stud. and E. corrupt dealings / and not suffer them to propound / to handle / and deal in matters as they list: one while allowing / another while disallowing: sometimes saying / other times vnlaying: when they dislike a thing / then denying it to be lawful: when they like it / thē affirmīg it to be lawful: witnes these things their dealīgs in M. Sla. matter with the cōgregatiō: the P. ād H.A. promising that his going to the dutch tempels should not offend thē: that if the cōgregatiō were offen∣ded they would pacify or persuade them / and yet they flinched and excom. him: likewise their choosing of officers / sometimes they wil not choose apo∣states, sometimes they will: also their appointing orders in the Chur. their handling Tho. Cockies matter / when they wold not confes the Dut. Church to be a true Chur. also R. matleys case / whē they wold not suffer him to some

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in mariage with any of the dutch Chur. and sundry other matters conti∣nually fallīg out amōg thē. Wel may (I say) we wish that their were such brethrē, as they at Frankf. but it is to be feared that thesei brethren are dead hovvsoever they have a name that they live, the Lord in mercy avvaken and strenthen them to amēd: or he add, ād give such to practise his truth / as may try all things, and deal sincerely in his holy things vvithout partiality.

And here let Christians mark how corruption of nature breaketh out even in reformed Chur. Yea in the highest / and chiefest officers thereof / and that vnder the crosse / persecution / and ban∣nishment: ād so have neede the more to be exhorted tok mortify out earthly members and to be vvalkers in the Gospel not in word and tongue onely, but in deede and in truth, who seeth not hereby how those and these P. and E. show their corrupt affections to pride / to authority / to have their own sins cloked / to have them brought to the place where themselves are mai∣sters / where they are iudges: where they are 3.4. or moe against one: where al is against a member: where he that cōmeth is alone / and hath none to witnes the proceedings: where the P. or E. accused fit in place of autority and iudgment / the rebuker cōmeth in place of exami∣nation / and the guilty examin and iudg him: who I say seeth not these corruptions if they do try things without preiudice? and yet the P. by hism learning wil pretend ād boast to prove all his dealings to be iust. Well: if he will stil so proceede / yet let godly P. learne to behave and cary themselves vprightly / to be goodn ensamples to the flock, and then neede they not seeke such shifts and cunning devises to get all authority into their hands: to give the Church the name of autority in vvorde, but to keepe the povver of authority in deede in their hands: to get the handeling of publique matters into their owne hands / and to deal therein as they list. True it is / thato accusation may not be received against them but vnder tvvo or three vvitnesses, yet men mayp heare, inquire and examine accusations against them aswel / as against others / and being found to sin / they are to be the more severely reproved and rebuked, yea it is to be marked / that in theq Lavv the Priests sins offering vvas greater and more speciall circum∣stances or ceremonies in it, then in the sin of another / either ruler, or one of the rest among the people / he being to bring a bullock: the other a hee goate, a shee goate, or a lamb: the bloode also of his offering was to be oftner ād more specially sprinkled &c. as by the conference of the vers. may appear: yea so much was to be offered for his sin, as forr the sin of the whole people.

The brethren vrging many things good and profitable: Mr. Hor. vvould account them pestilent, and seaming to ansvver somevvhat, vvould have one exception, or other against them, pretending many reasons, suppositions, mēs authorities, olde, and nevv vvriters, counsels, ground of reason, practise of reformed Churches, vnity, concorde, avoiding of scisme, discorde, negli∣gence &c. yea he vvould boast as if he could shovv vvarrants out of the Scrip. But the brethren discovered him, shevved vvhat lurked vnder the vizard, and shevved that in deede his pleading tended to tiranny, yea they brought his ovvne authors against him, olde, and nevv, his ovvne reasons, vvere retur∣ned vpon him: and stil they clave to Gods vvord, to have the order, vvhich it requireth.

Can the Pastor now answer more for his corruption / then the P. then? if he can / he will: for so hath alwaies hitherto his dealing beene / and much more bolde have I found him to be ins perverting the Scriptures then M.H. what I shall do in discovering his dealing / when I see his answ. I cannot say / being neither so able / yea not worthy to carry their bookes nor having such helpes / as they at Frankf. had / but (knowing that Godt. accepteth a vvilling minde vvith a doingv according to the hability) by his help I will do mine indevour to discover his ill dealīg / to cast dovvn hisvv daubing, ād knapp hisx. arrovves asunder: and let him looke to it / that pleading for his corruption he shoote not dartes at all the Godly in former times vvho have

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witnessed against pride: that he smite not himself with his owne vveapon: that he.y. build not againe that which he had destroied: yea I agaī exhort him to marke it wel in Gods feare / whether whatsoever he pleadeth for their cor∣ruptiō the same mai not bez. rolled vpō him by M. Iacob, or any other pleadīg for false w. or corruptions, ād so his owne dartes (beinga. kept from vs by the shield of faith) returne again into his owne sides to his shame ād confusion.

M.H. protested so to open vnto the magistrate their defence and cause, as they desiered to be iustified in their consciences, and before God: but he that readeth and compareth the proceedings, shal see the heavines of this protesta∣tion: and that Mr. H. having begun to plead for corruption, stretched his con∣science further.

The P. and Dan. Stud. would sundry times affirme matters / and being vrged would so protest, as I was astonished to heare / specially Dan. Stud. he vsing them almost as the maisters of the post do their othes at westmin∣ster, even as a manb hardned and of a feared conscience: the P. being more sparing: having not as yet (I hope) lost all feeling: I say / I could not but wonder at their protestations, and rather trusted them / then mine owne me∣mory / yeelding to sundry things whereof afterward I foūd my selfe cleare / when writings came to light / namely that letter / which I wrote to the P. about his vvifes apparel, and the offences which arose thereby which letter they said was the vngodliest vilest / ād abhominablest letter that ever was written: that they were not able to declare the vilenes thereof: that therein I wrote against wearing of velvet / and lanes etc. that if it were to be had / the people would be ashamed to heare it read / and so they exaggerated the matters therein / and heaped heinous accusations against it / that the people beleeving their wordes ād protestations / they were drawen to yeeld to their will / to excom. me. which letter being now come to light / sheweth manifestly their vnchristian dealing with me / some things whereof they accused me being not so much as named in the letter: yea it evidently decla∣reth thēselves to bec guilty of those sins / whereof they accused me namely of false accusations, slaunders, evil surmises, and false vvitnessings, as ap∣peareth by the letter it selfe and the answer to the accusations raised there∣vpon: both which follow in this discourse: ād let the Christian reader iudg whether the letter be such / as they accused it: facing out their accusations with protestatiōs, which (as before I said) I was astonished at / but now that I see the P. at Frākf was so base towards his owne soule so to prostitute it / I lesse wonder at the P. and D. St. yet the iniquity of these is the greater as having mored knovvledg, living in a clearer time of the Ghospel, āde pro∣fessing more sincerity: yea such impudency and craft is D. St. grown vnto / that twoo being in his presence / and hearing a matter witnessing it also in the congregation against him / he yet so seduced the Pastour and people / as his worde alone must stand against the twoo brethren: yea they concluded the rebuker of him a liar: and excommunicating him set that as one of the causes of his excō. To such partiality and corruption by their protestations have they brought the people. Cōtrary to thef Script. which saith you shall iudg vvith righteous iudgment: ye shal have no respect of person in iudgment, but shal hear the smal asvvel, as the great.

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Mr. Home accounted the care of the brethren to have things amended, curiosity of minde, innovation, and such like.

The P. and Dan. St. did not onely this / but worse / imputing the standing forth against their sins / and seeking of their repentance and amendment / to crackbrainednes / pride / conceitednes / discontent / singularity etc. these are olde rusty weapōs of all agesg against them that rebuke sins / and wit∣nes the truth.

The brethren accounted them vnbrotherly reproches.

How much more may we account these people vnbrotherly and vncha∣ritable, especially they cōtinuing ād encreasing in reprochings almost incre∣dible / so as the inferiors were h. ēboldened to the like: Thes. he vsed against G.I. all these reprochful wordes following / impious / heathenish / fond / foolish / ignorant fellow / false wicked mouth / inconstant / driven with every winde of doctrine / foole / hidious / vainglorious / proud / perulant wic∣ked vngodly / shameles / liar / slaunderer / contentious / ād vnbrideled spirit / fantastical / conceited / weak / not able to āswer a matter presently: gibed him with Anabaptistcy / donatisme etc. compared him to Cham, Corah, Da∣than, and Abiram: all these and such other vsed the Pastor, which G.I. no∣ted with his pen in his presence at sundry times / oftē calling him to repen∣tance but he would not. Da. Stu. he called G.I. hotebraine / fond / chiledish / crackbrained / weak / h babling fellovv, and divers times ieasting at mat∣ters / vsed scurrilous / and ridiculous wordes / not to be named of Chri∣stians / and I take it / the like not heard in a Christian Eldership or congre∣gation / ād when G.I. called him to repentāce / he often gibed ād ieasted them out. The Pastors wife emboldenedi hereby / plaied her part also / and said when G.I. rebuked her pride &c. that he was not to be suffered: that one such brother was to many: that he was bolde in evil / frivoulous in wordes a wicked brother &c. and when G.I. rebuked her / shewing thatk modesty became her, specially in the congregation, and not with reprochingl the re∣buker to turne avvay the reproofe, she said she might do more: and the P. her husband said: she might do ten times so much: wherevpon afterward she waxed more bolde in this maner of reproching. And not onely she / but many others in the congregation / thinking it may be thereby to please the P. among whom I must name Robert Iackson,n that peevish one / who could not be content to rest with his peevish and waspish behaviour / but following the P steps gived G.I. as if he would become an anabaptist: but them Lord vvho scorneth such scorners, brought it into his owne house / within few moneths after a serpēt was found in his bosome: his wife was infected with anabaptistry, and so remaineth to this day: p. he rolled a stone and it returned vnto him, he brake a hedge, and a serpent did bite him: and thus hath the Lord brought / and wil bringo their owne waies vpon their pates / and make them fal into the pits / which they have digged: yea godly mēp would acknowledg it Gods hād for me / howsoever evil or envious mē would iudg itq pride / or vainglory in me if I should set downe the Lordes dealmas and iudgments towards them / who have dealt vnfaithfully / ād evilly with me herein / he having brought that vponr themselves / where∣with they reproched / slaundered / and scoffed me / or which they vngodily

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wished to come vpon me / which I holde it my duety to observe, thereby seing the loving kindenes of the Lord. and if they vrge me in their boasted answ. to the relating thereof / Godwilling I shal dos it to Gods glory / mine and the godlies comfort / as also to their humbling / if they be the Lordes.

The brethren then ansvvered, that their reproches vvere not vvorth an∣svvering, and they could have borne them, onely being forced by them they must ansvver their obiections.

The P. D. St. and the rest cannot deny / but G.I. bare their reproches / nott reproching them again, but admonishing them thereof / requested the teacher and the cōgregation also to admonish them / ād draw them to re∣pentāce / but the teacher M. Ainsvvorth willed G.I. to beare them / and neither he / nor the cōgr. admonished them / but they cōtinued their scoffing ād revi∣lings. Let the godly iudg of these railings to what hight they grew / also vnto what sins thev davvbing vp of pride brought them: ād vnto this day have they not / neither yet will they repent of these revilings / scoffings / or other sins ād corruptiōs / but as men that take liberty to sin / vv they dravv one vpon another.

Where (say the brethren) Mr. H. ād Mr. C. desier licence to say, and vnsay, to put to, and take from, to subscribe and revoke, to doe, and vndoe all, as they think good themselves, they seam to desier their ovvne right: for they desier no other, then they have beene vsed hitherto to doe: as it is almost evidently knovvn to all the vvhole congregation: notvvithstanding this (albeit) it is against S. Pauls rule, vvho denieth it to be his property to say yea, and nay.

The P. and D. St. in worde desier not this / but in deede do it / as their dealing in the question of choosing apostates sheweth: first they said it was not meete: now they vnsay that / which they then said: then they would not choose such: now they do: sometimes they will take the witnes of all excō∣municate, when it maketh for them: other times they will not / when it ma∣keth against them.x A strange course / and in deede contrary to the Scripture to be yea and nay, nay and yea. Here also is to be remembered what Mr. Arminius the dutch preacher, now divinity professor at Leyden, said concer∣ning the cautions, that vvith such distinctions, conditions, questions, and cau∣tions the P. might every yeare make new orders as be listed: so as by this his inconstancy / mutability / y wavering / and change vpon change / he would iustify the reproche / which is laid vpon the seekers of reformation / that though they had one yeare what they desiered / they would not be content / they would be changing the next: such occasion of suspition / evill / and hurt give the P. Dan. St. and the rest by their vnstedfastnes.z God give them to be stablished in the truth, not to be driven about with every doctrine / but that their heart be stablished with grace.

In Mr. H. and Mr. C. shifting they are found to slaunder, and their ovwn obiectious come vpon their ovvn pates, they were also found promise brea∣kers, and their dealing being knovvne to many, vvas (as there is noted) by publishing made knovvne to moe.

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come vpon their own pates / they also have often beene found promise brea∣kers, as in this discourse will appeare: ād as they are now discovered vnto many: so / if the Lord give them not to repent before these things be pub∣lished hea wil by the publishing thereof discover them vnto moe.

The brethren shevv, that whom Mr. H. and Mr. C. forsooke. and regarded not to comfort, or distribute vnto, they would have them to be forsaken of all: but they there declare it to be the duety of others, to comfort them, vvhom the Pastor and Elders forsake.

Herein also iumped the P. and others with Mr. H. and Mr. C. for when they had forsaken G.I. they dealt with men in this cup that were familiar with him / to forsake him also: and not that onely / but wrote also to ether cities / where they knew he had frends / that they should not favour him: yea not onely to cities in these countries / but to London, and divers places in England wrote they to alienate his frends from him and were not asha∣med to seeke to alienate his Fathers affection from him. Thus exceeded they Mr. H. and Mr. C. in this evil / and how vnchristian this dealing was / let others iudg: but though for his further trial / some being not constāt / were ād are alienated / yet some cōtinued / ād still cōtinue faithful / ād others hath the Lord raised: yea let men know / though they (for causes best knowne to the Lord) fail yet theb Lord faileth not. To him be praise for ever, amē, amē.

Mr. Horne vvas of iudgment that a Minister or Pastor ought not to be a Lord, yet aftervvard himselfe became a Lord Bishop.

If one had charged him with mutability / inconstancy / or defection from sincerity it may be he would (like this 〈◊〉〈◊〉 and others) have had one shift or other / that either this or that consideration and caution was to be observed: or that he was a Lord, not as he was a Pastor, but as he was a baon, the Q. Mtie. vouchsafing them that favour / and so by one cabil / or other shift it of: but such shifts are vaine and men much more thec Lord) discove∣reth them. And here let me crave leave by the way to note a story / which I have read in a dutch booke / excellently discovering such vaine and frivolous distinctions. The story s concerning the Archbishop of Cullen, and a country man: It tel out saith the writer that a country man at a certaine time working in the field the Ach B. passed by him with a great traine of serving men / wayened after the high dutch fashion, the country man began hartily to laugh which the Arch B. perceiving / asked him why he laughed: the country man answered him / I laugh with. S. Peter, the Prince of Prelates, which lived and died in great poverty / to make his successors ritch. The Arch. Bishopp, wel perceiving that the man tared him / to excuse himselfe / said. My frend / I go with such a troupe / for that I am a Duke so wel as an Archbishopp: which when the country man heard he began to laugh more hartely then before: and the Arch. B. asking him a came the cause of his so great laughter / he answered very boldely: I would wel (my Lord) that you would tel me / if this Duke / which you say your self to be / were in hel, where think you then that the Arch Bishop should be? hereby giving to vnderstand: that one man cānot serve two states: for sinning in the one / he cannot iustify himselfe thorow the other: at which answer the Arch. B. hinging the head / without answer and without once trobling the country man / went on his way all ashamed. Let the Pre∣lates and distinguishers of our age thinke wel hereof / and if country men can so vndeck and discover their nakednes / how shal then their filthyd nakednes appeare / when it shal come to be discovered by God and his vvorde?

Concerning this Pastor he is alredy declined from some sincerity in his iudgment ād practise: ād (as his predicessors, so) he secketh by distinctions, cavils and cautions to make light darknes, and darknes light: good evil, and evill good: but such workes wil fall / for Godse vvoe is vpon them. vvoe vnto them, that speak good of evill, and evill of good, vvhich put darknes for light, and light for darknes &c.

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Mr. H. professed to make large proofes, but as the brethren then said, that let them make so gay glorious promises as they vvould, they knevv the lon∣ger they laboured in the matter, so much lesse should they shovv, and bring to passe: so in deede did it fall out.

Mr F. D. St. and the rest also make glorious boastings to answer vs and iustify all their dealings: but I am persuaded the lōger they labour herein / the lesse they will bring to passe / and as hitherto / so continually they will more and more bewray themselves with the foulnes of their dealings / ād their cunnings andf cordes of vanity will soone be cut in peeces.

Mr. Horne vvas to himselfe and his parte very favourable, but to others rough.

So M. F. I. to him self / his wife / and them that take his part / is not onely favourable butg partiall: to others not onely vnequal / but very bitter / andh cruell. what he / his wife / or any on his parte do / must be iudged the best of: if it be a grosse sin / it must be covered with the note of infirmity / or that they are not angels, they are men / as others etc. pride among them must be covered vnder the cloake of decency and cleanlines: wātonnes and vanity with the wives daughter (growing so high that the Father in law beat the mother, and gave her a black eie for admonishing him) must have the cloke of frendship towards the daughter / ād that the wife was a foolish woman: deceit in dealings / neglect in paying debts must be imputed to poverty banishment etc. when as it is well known that pride / and dainty diet hath worne out / and devoured other mens goods: and as they deal in these sins / so do they in the rest that fall out among them / of what sorte soever / one morter / or other is brought to daub it vp: yea the Past. being re∣buked for so cloking a sin of one among them / he said / he must be an eie to the blinde: and thus will he shift of every thing: but he / ād they are not so partiall to themselves / but they are as redy to put out the eies of others if they could they stretch / and tenter other mens faults: they dealing with them about the same / if straight they do not as they would have them / they are sufficent to cast thē of that they may not be defended as true Churches: neither may any have fellowship with thē / no not in civil dueties / as with true Churches. Concerning their stretching and exaggerating of private mens offences / specially if they have / or do rebuke any thing among them) it is strāge: every thing in their eies is i. a beame with thē: yea though they know that men with teares have acknowledged their faultes ād left them / yet withk Shimei they vpbraide / and cast the filth thereof in their faces: thereby seeking to discourage them from rebuking any thing among them

It is noted, that Mr. H. and the rest enviously reprehended that in the bre∣thren, vvhich they ought to have commended in them, namely, a vvilling bearing of poverty: vvho as they vvere become vvillingly banished, so vvere they vvillingly poore for the same Religion, vvhich they vvould seame to profes.

What moved this P. and the others not onely to reprehend / but to scoff G I. willing bearing (as of banishment so) of poverty mentioned before / let the godly wise iudg: ād let thē know; that he thatl oppresseth, or mocketh

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the poore, reprocheth him that made him: but he honoureth him that hath mercy on the poore: and as the righteuous hath hope (not onely in poverty / but) in hism death: so the vvicked shalbe cast avvay for his malice, ād he that reioiceth at destruction, shal not be vnpunnished.

It is there ansvvered, that peradventure M.H. vvas admitted vnder hand into the fellovvshipp of the purse: and thereof it came his so great svvelling, such loftines, and contempt of others.

The very same is to be feared of Mr. F.I. and Da. St. for sinse thy were ad∣mitted to oversee the purse vvhich Christop. Bowmā, bare / how were former accoūts about the mony which Mr. Barrovv left to the Church for a stock: also the monie sent from London, Middelburgh, and Barbarie for the poore shuffeled vp? how stout / how boasting ād how redy to contemne / disdaine ād scoffe their poore brethrē have they beene? so redy are corrup. Eld. to abuse the authority which God giveth / ād the Church,n committeth vnto them: whereas they being Eld. ought in these (as in other cases) too. rule vvith di∣ligēce: ād the Deacōs to distribute with simplicity: not to rule with cruelty / orp. partiality, not to distribute after private / ād corrupt affectiō. But such like corruptions (as sundry vvriters note) have beene the bane and ruine of true Churches in all ages: which should now stir vp true and vpright members the more to watch andq looke into their officers, to follow them in good things / ādr to rebuke them in their sins: following the examples ofs the few names recorded in the scripture, and other godly monuments ād histories.

They thought nothing vvel done, except it proceeded from themselves.

These agree with them herein / for they will have nothing done / but according to their owne procedings / as if none were able to shew them any thing / or as ift. they alone had the worde of God. witnes this theyr refusal to hearken either to their brethren, or to the reformed Churches.

Mr. H. charged them with wordes, vvhich were not in their vvritings.

This P. and D. St. have not onely done this / but they have added / diminished / andv changed wordes ād writings as they pleased / as appeare by their accusations set downe as causes of their excommu. being conferred with the writings delivered to them: and also by the quaestion and answ. sett downe in the cautions about choise of apostates into office, being com∣pared with the writing sent to the Church concerning the same question: which their ill dealing / therebyvv. to sel the truth, ād tox beguile their bre∣thren, is not the least of their sins.

Mr. Hotne therevpon triumphed of the custome of the most auncientest Churches, of the mindes of the most learned men, namely Mr. Calvin. &c.

These / when they have vsed such devises / do not onely triumphe / but boast also that they will iustify all their dealings: But such triumphers and boasters have their answer / if they wil search they Scriptures. Boast not thy selfe of to morrow, for thou knovvest not what a day may bring forth. Let not him that girdeth, boast himself, as he that putteth it of.

They are there noted to be very circumspect in vvordes when they were min∣ded to speake any thing against their brethren.

These are not lesse / but much more circumspect and cunning / yea their people have so profited herein / that they are more cunning in cavilling and

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catching at wordes / thē in dueties of religiō / they arez wise to do evil: their carying ād catching make also many afraid to deal with them: yea thereby they enforce vs / as to weigh our owne wordes and to confirme them by the Scriptures, so also to cōsider their maner of speaking: for their shifts are moe thē cā easily be sifted / buta time we hope wil discover / ād brīg thē to nought.

Mr. H. and Mr. C. are compleined of for driving men of good vvits (for vvant of contribution) some of them to the printing house, some to be serving men, some to run back into England vvith peril of body and soule.

What compleint may now be made of these / who when their brethren, wherof some had beene students / were content to carde / ād spin / or to learne trades / thereby to mainteine themselves / and help others / yet they so vexed them / that at length some of them they excō. some they drove into England, ād some they stil vex by all the meanes they cā? will not theb Lord call them to account for this their cruelty, pushing vvith the borne, and driving avvay? yes assuredly: and happyc shall it be for them, vvho (notwithstanding their dealings) strive til they overcome.

Mr. H. and M. C. vvere a long time vnknovvne, and much vvas committed to them: but at length they vvere so knovvn, that men vvould commit no∣thing to them.

These also have had credit and honour / specially the Pastor, but their dealing is now partly known / and sure / except they repent / the Lordd vvho cannot lie, vvill dishonour them, as they have dishonoured him.

Mr. Hornes, and Mr. Chambers practise condemned themselves.

Not onely the practise of these / but theire own hand writings condemne their corruptions / and yet they will not turne to repentance / nor learne to be ashamed.

Mr. Horne the Pastor threatned out of the pulpit vvhat he vvould do, yea that he vvould make poore miserable men eat haye.

What invective speaches ād bitter reproches this Pastor poured out of the preaching place / and how he made thef pulpit a place of blustering out his immoderate affections / the trobled consciences of some (vvho nowg sleepe) declared: how also he threatned his poore sheepe he cannot forget / if he re∣member the times when threatning ād beasting of his pastoral authority, one brother tolde him though he were P. yet the Apost. sheweth, that he must not be as ah Lord over Gods heritage: another time falling into the like pas∣sions and rages againe / another brother stoode vp / ād tolde him to his face / that he ought not to naupe his sheepe with hisi shepheards staff: ād in deede Past. ought to learne, that thei. shepheards rod ād staffe are ordeined of God to correct guide / and keepe in the sheepe / not to strike out their eies / break their legs / or beat out their braines: they are not tok rule thē vvith cruelty, drive them avvay, or to kil them: but to comfort, to keepe them in the vvay, and to preserve them alive.

Mr. H. vvas charged that he accounted that a godly action in himselfe and in Mr. C. vvhich in his brethren he iudged to be abhomination.

The P. and D. Stud. once accounted it zeall and vprightnes not to con∣sent to the choise of apostates: now they iudge it contention / and schisme not to consent therevnto / or not to ioyne with such. I remember a com∣pleint

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of one / that white was accounted no colour / zeale no vertue: but how wolde he have cōpleined / if he should have heard zeal which was accounted a vertue / to be turned to vice / and vprightnes to be iudged contention / and that by the same mouthes / and writings of the selfe same men? so farr are this P. and D. St. grown / these so contrary writings have I by mee vnder their own hands / and yet are they notl. ashamed but outface their dealing with the name of the Pastour, the Church &c. not vnlike them inm Ieremy, who cried the tempel of the Lord, the tempel of the Lord, and yet they were far from obeying the voice of the Lord.

Mr. H. and Mr. C. vvere ful of shifts to keepe mony from the poore, and to keepe it to themselves.

How full of shifts the P.D. St. and the deacon Christoph. Bovvman have bene ād are / their dealings about the mony sent from Barbary, Middelburgh ād London: as also that which Mr. Barrovv left for a stock before mentioned / declare / and if by deniall in their boasted answer they put me to proofe / let them thank themselves / if they hear that which they would not: as hereto∣fore the Pastor did / when by daubing he discovered his owne nakednes / ād called to minde carnal vanity, (not by me publiquely named) and therewith not contented / would force me to proofe of particulars in publique / I ha∣ving in private exhorted him to take heede of the general, now what he found by raking this vp / and what proofe came / he knoweth / and Chri∣stian eares wil loth to heare / much more their pens to write: howsoever he could not orn would not be ashamed: for my owne parte I will not be (as hitherto I have not beene) the first to name them publiquely / resting in theo Apost exhortation / that they are not once to be named, as becometh Saints: if he in his answer name them / let him consider what he forceth me vnto / and what wil follow.

Mr. H. vvould often pretend other causes, and keepe the true secret.

This is most ordinary with the P. and thatp counterfeat D St when∣soever they plead for their corruptions / or are vnwilling to do that / where∣vnto they are exhorted / and requested: as appeareth by their cautions: the many faces they vsed / before ‡ mentioned: and their maner in sundry other dealings.

It is noted by the brethren, that so far as they savv, Mr. H. and Mr C. might be out of peradventures, and vvould be asvvel knovvn to others, as to them.

I am persvaded the like of these P. and Elders, that by these things they wilbe discovered and known vnto others as they are vnto vs: for it is iust with God, vvhen they vvil not hearken,q to discover their nakednes, and filthines vnto others.

Mr. H and Mr. C. vsed to say but not to prove things: and there is added in Mr. vvhitheads ansvver, that they dealt, as though the brethren vvere schol∣lers, and they schoolmaisters of Pithagoras rule, that they said, and affirmed all things, and confirmed nothing.

This Pastor and D. St. have to much practised this course: their sayings / and their wils must be proofes / and lawes: yea they have brought this people to be such schollers, that what they say is an error / the people so take / and learne it / though in former times the Pastors, and Dan, Studleis, owne

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hands (before they were corrupted) have written the contrary: as plainly appeareth about the question of chusing Apostates / so often mentioned: and now they seam to delight and glory therein: so as we may complein with Ieremy.r the Prophets prophecy lies / and the Priests beare rule / or receive gifts in their hands / and the people delight therein. What wil they then do in the end thereof:

The Magistrates at Frankf. had care when controversies fell out among the banished, that they should be sett at peace: a good example.

If Magistrates / much mores Ministers: if others / much more our sel∣ves ought to have this care: but the Pastor / Dan. Studley, and the rest have bene so far from this care / that whē we soght it / they neglected it / ād despised vs. Yea when the Dutch and French Ministers (at our request) offered their help / and endevoured many waies / yet they shifted it of / and would not be drawen therevnto. This is witnessed by testimony of the Dutch and French preachers given to the Pastours Father in this be∣halfe: which afterward followeth also in this discourse.t

M. Horne pleading for the Pastors and elders authority, iudged basely of the congregation, as a multitude licentious, and grudging &c.

How also this Pastor and D.S. hath pleaded for their authority / and how basely they accounted of the people / they may remember / whē the Pastor vpbraided the brethren in general (standing forth against his wi∣fes pride) that they knew not what was mete: and in particular vpbrai∣ded some with the basenes of their callings / namely M. Adams / that he was but a shipper / that he was but a servant to them / with whom he had lived / and taunted him with his mariners whissel. Yea the P. and D. St. gibed many of the people that they were country people / and knew not what was meete for citizens to weare: whereas in deede most of them were citizens / howsoever by this base account they soght to dis∣courage them: as at length they did in deede / no man almost daring to stand forth faithfully against them: this their boasting and pleading hath beene discerned by the dutch preachers / which if they deny / let the things spoken vnto the P. by M. Plancius witnes / before mentioned: yea the P. and D. St. have by these and such like meanes so discouraged the peo∣ple / that now they do what they list: if Dan. Stud. be on a mans side thē the matter goeth right thogh it be crooked: and if he be against a man / then it goeth against him thogh he have right: witnes this his dea¦lings about Anthony Thatcher / his brother Martin / M. Castel: Alexā∣der Carpenter / and M. Greene / etc. I name not M. Ainsworth and M. Mercer in these affaires / because they are no true officers / have beene branded with thev reproche of apostasy / and if they were true officers / yet are they found to be but ciphers to fil vp the number / being set when and where the said P. ād D. St. please / yea they make thē as packw hor∣ses to cary what they please / and drive them / as they list.

M. Horne thoght much that subscription should be vrged, and yet him∣self had done the like: yea and afterward (when he fell to be a Prelat) by re∣port vrged it in bad matters.

The P. now wil not subscribe his name to his deedes / and yet he hath vrged others heretofore: let him take heede that he fal not with M.H.

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also etc. Surely such leaders thatx binde and laie burthēs vpon others / and wil not themselves touch thē / the Lord rebuketh ād he wil requier it.

M. Horne is answered that except the congregatiō be superior to the mi∣nister, which giveth authority to him, the ministers are Lordes of the congre∣gation, and not Ministers,

Now / when the Church concluded in your presence / and you promised / that there should be trial of the Pastors wifes apparel / whether it wre proud and breaking the rules of they Apost. or no? the brethrē meting the next day for this purpose you and D. St. the wilful brake promise / and would not suffer the Church so to proceede / yea the brethren sending for it according to promise / you absolutely denied it / and your wils prevailed: now whether you or they were superiors / let the Godly wise iudg: yea you so vered the brethren / that you made them weary Christopher Dic∣kons confessing that you so vexed them (as he had no comfort / eyther n sleeping / eating / or working in his calling: and besides the compleints of others) you cannot but remember the speach of a godly brother / who openly in the congregation to your faces so threatning and dealing with the people answered / that you ought not to bez Lords over Gods heri∣tage: but not withstanding you kept on your course got your wils / ād did as you list / as you also do to this day: so that though you give the church the name that it hath the authority / yet you in deedea bear rule / and ha∣ve broght the people to delight therein / as apeareth by their pleading for you. If you plead for these things / take heedeb you build not the prelates and Priests authority / which once you destroied.

The more M. H. pleaded for his corruptions, and for the corrupt ould dis∣cipline the more their noughtines appeared.

Do not you (brother Francis) forget that which was taught you of a childe? and I pray you snow now in your age that you learned it wel: namely / that happy is he who is warned by other mēs harmes: for sure your evil dealing hath by these things more and more appeared / ād if you cease not wil stil so do / but be you learned (if you bec wise) by Mr. Hornes and such like examples.

M. H. and M.C. obiected against their brethren (standing forth against their corruptions) innovation: seeking the purse: purging their offences: that they did not things with reason: respected not the commodity of the congrega∣tion: that they did that, which was offensive, and slaunderous to good mē, and reioicing and pleasure to the adversaries: but they sought that, which would bring good fruites in Christiā hearts, ād worke constāt quietnes to the Chur.

Here were heavy obiections against brethren / which might discourage weak and faint hearts: and smooth wordes vsed for themselves which might seduce simple peo∣ple: but this hath beene thed maner in all ages to bring generall and odious accusa∣tions against rebukers of sins: ād smooth showes for their corruptions / as appeareth not onely by the stories of thee Prophets andf Apostles but by sundry other Histo∣ries / Acts / and monuments written in divers languages.

In these daies mē cease not to do the like / both enemies without / and enemies within the Church: and this P. and D. St. theg malicious are not behinde the rest / as appeareth by their dealings alredy / yea they sun∣dry times vsed the same obiections / and almost the same words / and the

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like I looke for in the answer / which not onely the P. but D. St. ād Stā. Mercer have boasted of: wherein let me desier this of thē / that every one that cometh toh offer their shrine to their corruption wil set their name thereby / that so I may know which is the P. which his wifes: which D. St. which M. Ainsw: and which Stan. Mercers: for he also boasted that he would answer. And as I desier it of these named / so I desier it of al the rest who have so much boasted of their answer to our compleint / and de∣fense. In the meane time I wil here set down the brethrens compleint and defence against M. Hornes obiections.

That in deede M.H. was the disquieter of the congregation: that he and M.C. soght the sole authority and the purse, and their pleasures to be holden for lawes: that they would either establish tiranny, or leave no common wealth in the congregation: that they vrged others with offen∣ces, ād committed wickednes themselves: that themselves gave in deede occasion of offence and slaunder to good men, and of high reioicing and pleasure to their adversaries, and Gods enemies: that they would not be admonished of any thing: they would not have things amended: they would not be cōmoned withall in any case: they wolde forsake the flock: they moved others to the like by their example, and drew thē after thē, as if the congregation could not stand without them: that by their dea∣lings they made the dissētiōs known not onely in the cities where they lived, but in others, yea thorow Europe: they laide the blame vpō others and plaid the prancks thēselves: they laid their owne faults vpō others, and would burthē others with the infamy, which themselves had stirred vp: and that therefore, if now they should cry out, that olde matters were by this meanes rehearsed, themselves should have absteined from pro∣voking them therevnto. This is the summe of their answer.

The very same / and many moe things may we truly say in our defēce / that in deede the Pastor M. Fran. Iohnson and Dan. Studly were the disquieters of the congre∣gation: that the pride of the Pastors Wife was the ground and cause of all the troble: that the Pastor deceived M. Settel Dan. Studly / M. Leigh / and others: afterward the other Elders and lastly the whole congregation by his learning / and suttelty in the pleading covering and daubing vp of his wifes pride: in extolling and boasting of her wisdome modesty and cariage / himselfe poore man having beene be∣fore blinded / bewitched and besotted with the slie heights of the subtile proud womā / wherewith shee stole the poore mans heart away: that he and D. St. not onely sought (as M. Horne and Chamb. did) to have sole authority but also got it: that their plea∣sures must be for lawes / and so now it is: for when it pleased not them that the Apo∣states should be chosen / then were they not: and when it pleased them that they should: then were they chosen: that also they (like M.H. and M.C.) would (howsoever they pretended otherwise) establish a tiranny or leave the congregation may wel be gathe∣red by the Pastors and Dan. Stud. much vrging ād labouring to be freed from their offices both at London and here at Amsterdam: yea the Pastor breaking out in plaine wordes / when the congregation withstoode his Wifes pride / that he wolde be gone if shee might not weare the apparell: they (with Maister Horne /

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and M.C.) vrge the reprovers of them and their corruptions with offē∣ces / and thēselves commit wickednes / as is evidēt by D. St.k wātonnes with his wifes daughter / and the Pastor by his shifts / and cunning dea∣ling strēgthning him therein: they give occasion of offence to al good mē / and cause ofl lamentation to them that love or affect the truth: they stir vp pleasure / and reioicing to Gods ād our enemies: wil not the Lord re∣quier these things at their hands? yesm assuredly. They wil not be admo∣nished: they wil not amend: they have drawen the congregation to their bought / making themselves the figures of number / and the congregation ciphers to make vp what reckoning they list: by their excommunicatiōs they have made things knowne vnto all within / and without: they raise vp the infamy / and lay it vpon others: they provoke vs to defence / and yet vex that we declare the truth of things: they neither regard reason natu∣re / reformed Churches / nor Godsn Worde / when they make against thē / and yet they wilbe accounted the onelyo people rightly reformed: they do iniury / and persecute their brethrē yet wil they cover all vnder the name of the Church: so that they do not onely agree with M.H. ād M.C. in their evils / but they are in many things far worse / yea I thinke it is harde to finde twoo (professing religion) sutteller / and craftier to cover and daub vp sins / to strive to make right wrong and wrong right / p evil good / and good evil / then this Pastor M. F. I. and this elder D. Stud. so evilly have they profited in going forward in the religion / which they seame to professe / and in comming back to vanity / and worldly wickednes / which they once seamed to have forsaken. Sucely the Lord who hath thus far discovered them / q wil one day fully finde them out / and repay them their dealings to their faces / if they repent not.

M. H. and M.C. were charged with vauntings ād braggins of multitude. ād that not onely in the presence of the brethren, but of the magistrate.

Are this Pastor and D. Stud. any other? surely as like / as if they had beene of oner hatching.s for they not onely to their brethren / ād others / but to the dutch preachers can vaunt of multitude / and that the Church / and people have done it. Such shifts to lay the burthen bpon thet t people they want not: but thev Lord seeth.

Though the brethren shewed the things they did to be according to Gods worde, reasō, yea the things / which thēselves once stoode for / yet M.H. would not yeelde / but would shift it of one way or other ād pretend one answer, or other.

Vp ād downe M. F. I. for thogh never so manifest proofe be broght out of Gods worde / yea his owne handwriting when he was sincere: yet he hath not onely ordinary shifts / sleights / devises / and counterfeit answers to put them of / but also suttel questions to drive from the matter / if it be possible: witnes this his cautiōs / which are nothing else but (ifs) ād que∣stions / as the reader afterward in the discourse may see: sow wise is he to deceive his owne soule by sittel reasoning.

It is compleined in the discourse of the trobles at Frankf. that it was to be feared the covtroversy which had continued six moneths much hindered ād hurt the people / in holding back the benevolēce of good people from thē.

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What is now to be feared then of this controversy / which hath conti∣nued above 8. yeares? and indeede this controversy about the Pastors wifes pride / and his pleading for the same hath much hindered the truth / and people: men who were wont to send help to the Church plainly refu∣sing to do it any more / after that they heard there was suchx pleading for pride and excommunicating of the standers forth against it. Thus hath the P. done / and thus (besides the evil example he and his wife have given / whereby other weomen among them have mainteined ād covered their pride) hath he holpē the people: but let him ād thē know thaty God hateth pride / and let them reade what thez Prophet hath left written a∣gainst such daughters of Zion.

The brethrē vvaited the amendment of M.H.M.C. ād the rest, which becōmeth Christians, they bare with patience, and would have covered their dealings: but they proved the more malicious, worse, and worse: and seing they would not be as they oght to be, they held it their duety to disclose them, that they might be knowne to be such as they were.

What writings for the amendment of this Pastor / M.F.I. Dan. Stud. and the rest: what seeking of their repentāce: What bearing with patience of injuries both secret / and open: what meanes to have agremēt and peace have beene vsed many know / and our actions declare / which we would not relate least mē should think wea praise or boast our selves / but they force vs thereto: and now seing neither by vs nor by any meanes we cā vse / no not by the reformed Chur. they wil be reclamed to be such as they oght / they or any other may not be offēded / that they are disclosed to be such / as in deede they are: which a long time we have soght and stil seeke to hide, but they wil have it break forth / and their festered sores wil not beb healed but by serious and vnfeined repentance.

M.H. was so wilfull and peevish, that he would not yeelde to very lawful things.

More wilful then this Pastor / and more peevish then Dan. Stud. I think he could not be: for thogh the very Scriptures and their owne wri∣tings were broght to persuade thē to practise the sincerity they had pro∣fessed / yet they would not: yea G.I. must come to be of their iudgmēt in alledging Ier. 3.3. or else he must be excōmunicated / so peevish / ādc cruel are they.

M. Chambers would cary himself demurely, and pretend the good of the Church, when he vsed badd and crafty dealing.

M. Studley far passeth this man / for he can not onely demure and set a colour vpon his ill dealing in controversies / and matters of mony / but even his vngodly behaviour to his wife / and his vnnaturalnes to his owne children can he so smooth over / as he seduceth the people / so smoothe a countenance / sod counterfeit wordes / and so scraped a tongue cā he vse / but the proverbe exhorteth vs not toe beleeve such.

M. Chambers would not be broght to give account for laying fotth of the Churches stocke.

M. Bowman the deacon would also be hardly drawen herevnto / and

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Iohn Nicholas that dissembler ād vnfaithfull mā perverting thef scrip∣ture long tooke his brother in lawes parte therein / with some others: yea now it is so disposed / that the P. D. St. with the other Elders (who have beene Apostates) and deacons of their (howsoever the Church have the name of) choise and making make the account among thēselves: and if any man demaund to see it / they have one shift or other to put it of / as that it is not orderly asked / or that if the whole Church aske it / it may see it / they knowing that they have alwaies some flatterers and claw∣backs redy / which will onely consent / agree / and do as they please / and so they can shift it / that all the brethren demaund it not. Witnes these / M. Bowmans refusal to give account / being by M. Slade (who had beene and then stil was an elder) put in minde / as if he had not bene faithfull: wherevpon some requested / and vrged Mr. Bowman if he were clear to shew his accounts / and clear himself / but he would not: ād it was shifted of as before is mentioned. So as he giveth great cause to iudg that he was not faithful: forg faithful men wil not refuse to let their deedes come to light privately or publiquely / to one or to many brethren / as occasion and neede requireth / yea they wil rather offer ith vndemaunded.

It was found that the strivings for ceremonies was the continuāce of grud∣ges, and pleading for corruptions the encreasing of contentions.

The very same have we found that the pleading for pride hath caused and continued thei contētiō and the striving for Apostates encreased the hatredk and grudg / which seing it hath bene so in former ages / we must not be discouraged / butl be faithfull til we overcome.

There is compleint of the misery of the time, being so come to passe, that if any should but with a godly grief bewaile the imperfections that remained, and crave for redresse, they were not onely reviled and taunted scoffed at and termed by these odious names of precisian, puritain, con∣tentious, seditious, rebell, traitor, and what not: but also if he came once in presēce of the Bishops, and subscribed not to whatsoever they would, then if he had living to be deprived, or whether he had living, or not, were he learned, or vnlearned, were he man or woman, halte or blinde to prison he must, without all redemtion.

These in deede and such like have bene and are the arguments weapons / and arro∣wes vsed by adversaries in all ages ād what wonder is it to finde these in false Chur∣ches at Prelates hands when they are found in true Churches at P. and brethrens hands? for as touching scoffings taunts and revilings these spared not / as by their odious termes before related appeareth: and touching casting into prisons they do it not for want of wil but for lacke of power as is noted. Wel we must be comforted / ādl with our patiēce possesse our soules we are not better thē our predicessors / also the rod of the wicked shal not rest vpon the righteous.

The publisher insinuateth that turne coates, chāgers according to the time. subscribers etc. were in some places thoght to be meete mē for the ministery.

Do not this P. D. St. and the rest account turne coates / changers / and Apostates / such as wil subscribe to what they please meete for the mini∣stery? what else witnesseth the holding of H. Ainsw. in office of teacher / ād choosing Stan. Mercer into office of elder / both of them bearing the re∣proch ofm Apostasy?

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Godly preachers who hazarded their lives against rebels, were yet for stāding forth against ceremonies accounted rebels, and reviled as traitours ād sedi∣tious, as there at large is recorded, which I pray the reader to search, marke, ād well consider.

In like sorte men / who have hazarded all they had / yea theirn lives for sincerity of the Ghospel against false worship and the remnants of ido∣latry / when they afterward also witnessed and stood forth against the P. elders / and Churches corruptions / were by the P. D. St. and the rest ac∣counted contentious persons scismatibes / etc. and excommunicated aso such persons: yea they are morep hated of them / then the most evil doer that ever they proceeded against. So evilly agree strivers for corruptiōs in true Churches with the strivers for ceremonies in false Churches.

By publishing the discourse of the trobles at Frankf. the odious reportes, and heinous accusations of M. Horne and his partakers were discovered. and the brethren in some measure cleared.

In like maner the publishing of this discourse we hope wil cleare vs a∣mong al godly wise men from the vnchristian slaunders given out abroad against vs by this P. M. F. Iohns. D. St. and our brethren / who do not onely reproche vs with ordinary reproches / but shame not to reporte that we have forsakē the cause. And thēq why suffer we yet persecution?

The publisher thereof sheweth also, that by the discourse it may be seene where, how, and by whom the countroversy began, by whome it was conti∣nued, who on the suffering side, who rediest to forgive and forget that godly peace and concord might be had.

By this discours let the godlyr try the like / iudg according to Gods worde / and holde that which is good / not following a multitude to over∣throw the truth.

If any mā (saith he) be offēded, let him weigh wel, that he be iustly of∣fended: 2. if any obiect that some things might have beene kept secret (the contentions being among brethren) to the end the common adver∣sary should not have cause to triumphe, let this satisfy him, that the cō∣mon adversary cannot more triumph, then he doth. Againe, the cruelty of Cain to Abel, of Ismael to Isaac, of Esau to Iacob, of the Patriarkes to their brother Ioseph, the hoate contention betwene Paul and Barnabas, and Paul and Peter etc. all these being knowne to the world, have tur∣ned notwithstanding to the great glory of God, as his assured hope was that even this discourse would also in the end.

The same also desier we of the like takers of offense / yea if any further obiect that these be smal things and trifles / let him weigh their sin / that vrge men to yeelde to them herein / or else wils excommunicate them / also (thogh that corruptiōt do now so swarme / that al mē almost rather seke to persuade the godly to yeelde or bear corruptions / thē thēselves to help or encourage thē to stand forth against them / or to dehort the strivers for them from their stiffnes therein / yet) let him weigh as in Gods presence

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whose duety it is to yeeld / thev striver against / or the striver for corrup∣tion: remembering that Christ saith.w He that is faithful in the least / he is also faithful in much: and he that is vniust in the least / is vniust also in much / etc. Let me also put him in mind of the Kingly and godly saying of our gratious King. In any thing that is expresly commaunded / or pro∣hibited in Gods Word cannot any man be over precise / even in the least thing / counting every sinne not according to the light estimatiō and com∣mon vse of it in the worlde / but as the booke of God counteth of it. Accor∣ding to which counsel God give him and all of vs his subiects to walke / and then in the end shall we finde that most true / which Christ taught in one of his first sermons / that whosoever shall observe and teach (not onely the greatest / but even) thex least commaundements / he shalbe called great in the kingdome of heaven: and for this let all vpright hearted subiects alwaiesy pray.

He kept many things by him in secret many yeares, which witnessed his vnwillingnes to publish at length in the middest of great striving, and strug∣ling with him selfe what to do he could not by any meanes be resolved, or see iust cause, why he should any longer conceal them.

How many yeares we have concealed things / and kept thē by vs: also how many meanes we have vsed these many yeares to have a quiet ēd / ād godly sound peace: as likewise how now we are forced to publish these things to the view of all / that which is written to M. Fran. Iohnson the Pastor declareth.

He witnesseth his indifferency in penning the story, except it be for that in very deede he sought rather how to cover many things, then to lay thē wide open to the worlde.

What these things were I know not: onely this have I heard / that pride was one roote of these contentions / and troblesome tragedy: as it hath beene both of that in M. Brownes time at Middleburgh / and of these in our time here at Amsterdam.

As the publisher would not lay opē many things / so neither will we / if we be not further forced / and see warrant for the same / yea our adversa∣ries know / that when G.I. named not some things in his writings / thē∣selves named thē / and so discovering their owne nakednes forced him to rebuke them / and call them to repentance: yea so far was he from naming some things even in secret to the Pastor / that in 7. or 8. yeares he would not name them / thogh the Pastor continually vrged / and vexed him to make him name them but never could get his purpose. And this I hope to men of any iudgmēt may witnes mine vnwillingnes to have had such things named ād my willingnes to have had thē buried in silence / which ought amongz Christians not once to be named. At length the Father of M.F.I. and G.I. being come over and vsing many meanes to bring his sonnes to agrement: G.I. in love and quietnes told M.F.I. that he should now see hee had not furnised things (as alwaies he charged him / thinking thereby to drive him to name particulars) for he would name vnto him the things in particular betwene them two alone / which he had so many yeares vrged him vnto but he stil kept silent for sundry causes: desiring him wel to weigh them / and to keepe them to himself if he plea∣sed / ād so he named them to him / which he also did hoping that he would

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hereby be the willinger to come to agremēt / that all such things might be buried / and forgotten / ād desiering / as the Propheta speaketh / that if it were possible he might consider it. For the time it seamed much to move him / but wrought not thorowly with him / being hindered by Dan. Studley, to whō they being related / he so stirred vp the Pastor, that very hoate wordes passed on both sides / and as before he had raised con∣tentions betweene brethren, so now he sett division betweene Father and Sonne, whom how God hateth and abhorreth theb scripture declareth, and this his dealing being evill / c commaundeth to abhorre it.

The publisher of those trobles opposeth to al offences, that might arise, the great profit that might come to Gods Church and posterity, who being taught by other mens harmes (if they be happy) will learne to beware, the hope whereof had greater force to push his pen forward to the finishing thereof, then the displeasures of certaine (arising so far as he saw of no ground) could be to withdraw him from the same, beseeching Almighty God to strengthē him with his holy spirit, that what trobles or trials soever should by the Lordes good providence happen to him thereby, he would vouchsafe to give him a contēted minde, quietly ād with patience to beare it, protesting that in writing the discourse he had respect to Gods glory, the defence of his sacred truth, and the clearing of the slaundered, and not that he sought the hurt, hinderanc, or discredit of any man,

The same ād many moe things may be iustly ād truly sett against the offences and obiections which may arise vpon the publishing of this discourse / but our brethren are come so tod measure others by themsel∣ves, that thogh mēspeak faithfully / protest sincerely / ād shew vnfeinedly love / yet they pervert all things / e take them in evill parte / and iudg thē to be done in vaine glory / flattery / hipocrisy / dissembling / or such like / in so much as they make all men (who know them) vnwilling to deale with them / many afraide / andf very few / scant one of an hundreth that dare stād forth thorowly against their corruptiōs / so many waies have they to catch ād carpe in their reasonings and dealings with mē / as also tog vex, and persecute their poore brethren, over whom they have authority when they will not winke at their corruptions / but rebuke and stand forth faithfull against them: but with the same publisher we desier the Lord to give to vsh faith, hope and love the onely sure rocks and bul∣warkes against all enemies / ād to give vs to strive ādi holde fast till we overcome. so know we that all things shall worke together for the best vn∣to them that love God, and are called of his purpose thorow Iesus Christ, God blessed, and to be obeied for ever and ever, amen, Amen.

Thus have I according to my ability set downe the agreement be∣tweene those and these trobles, noting in the margent the pages of the trobles at Frankford, whereby the reader may quickly finde any point, which he desiereth further to see, and consider of, ād though many moe agreemēts might be gathered, yet these I trust may suffice to shew how

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those and these Pastor, and elders agree in matter, both of them stiving for corruption: and in maner, both of them seeking by suttelties, shifts, authority, craft, and sundry pretences to obteine their purposes: as also to declare that brethren ought to be faithful agaist corruptions in whō∣soever. And I novv lesse vvonder that the pastor refused to see, ād Dan. Studly scoffed, vvhen G.I. offered them the booke, vvherein they might see their dealings, because in deede they so iump in the same steps toge∣ther, and that the booke laieth them, and their dealings so open, as I con∣fes I am not able: neither can I vvrite such an apology for my selfe, as that booke hath ministred, so that I praise.l God for the publisher his labours, and I for my parte finde that good thereby, vvhich he hoped, and vvished posterity would and might finde. Them Lord stirre vp many, ād thrust forth such publishers, labourers, ād defenders of the truth into his harvest vvho may seeke the good of the age praesent, and of posterity.

Yea as by observing the agreements I have found help, so also by the differēces, vvhich I observe betweene them (among other observations) I finde, that as the times grow in age, so mē grown vvorse in craft, deceit suttelty, and violence, so as we have much neede in these last daies con∣tinually to pray vvith theo Apostles. LORD ENCREASE OVR FAITH,

Some of vvhich differences (as of the agreements) I thinke it conve∣nient to set downe also (as for sundry other respects, so likevvise) because by differences, and varieties, things are (as by other arguments) proved and witnessed, cleared, and manifested.

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