A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

Iewel. Pag. 128. 129.

S. Augustine saith of so many Bishops of Rome, there could not one be found, that had benne a Donatiste: Euen so in like sorte say vve to you, of al the same Bishops of Rome, there can not be one found, that euer agre∣ed vvith M. Harding in saying Masse. Or if there vvere any such, shevv his name, vvith other Circumstances, vvhen, and vvhere, and vvho vvere vvitnesses of the doing. Shevv vs your Originals M. Harding: Confesse the Truth: deceiue vs no longer. It is a nevv deuise: ye haue it only of your selues: and not by Succession from the Apostles.

Harding.

You pretend to reason like S. Augustine, as though he had reasoned vpon a particular facte, and not vp∣on the Doctrine. Euen so in like sorte, say you, and it is

not euen so, nor in like sorte. S. Augustine concluded, that the Donatistes were Heretikes,* 1.1 bicause no Bishop of Rome taught that doctrine which they taught. And you turne al the mater of doctrine to a manner of doing. It were surely hard to proue, that euer any one Pope, not only of those 38. whom S. Augustine nameth, but also of al the rest til this hower, did say priuate Masse. For if M. Iewel should put me to the proufe, that Paulus tertius, or Pius quartus, Federicus Fregosius that noble and learned Bishop of Salerno, or Bellaius that worthy Bishop of Paris, or any the like, who liued in our time, had said Priuate Masse, and that in such wise, as if I were not hable to shew him, when they said it, where they said it, and who were witnesses thereof, I should not be credited for want of due proufe: I were not hable to proue it, either for that I liued not at Rome, and in the places where they made their abode, or elles bicause, though I liued in those places, I was not so curious, nor careful to know, what they did therin. And so it would followe, by this fond collection of M. Iewels Logique, that euen yet to this daie, no Pope, nor other Bishop, faith priuate Masse, bicause I can not proue it, and shew the circumstance, where, when, and how it was donne.

Thinke you M. Iewel, that the Religion of Christe dependeth vpon any particular facte of menne? Is that your Diuinitie? Al the Popes, and al the Apostles agree with vs in Doctrine, bicause wee can shewe diuerse Churches, whiche haue benne planted of them, and haue kepte from time to time the Religi∣on, whiche they receiued from hande to hande of

them. This is our demonstration of the Truthe. This is that, whiche Christe allowed, when he commaun∣ded his disciples to doo, and keepe, that which the Scri∣bes and Pharisees, who sate in Moyses chaire, bad them to keepe and doo. Euen so doo we M. Iewel, we say pri∣uate Masse (so ye wil needes cal it) bicause the Popes, and other bishops, who sit in Peters, and in the other A∣postles chaire, doo tel vs, that it is lawful to say priuate Masse. And we doubte not also, but that it hath benne vsed for euer to be said, though the people, either were not present, or being present, would not receiue with the priest, as it is plaine in S. Chrysostome,* 1.2 who stode at the Altare, and did that which belonged to priestly due∣tie, that is to say, he said Masse, and looked for some com∣municantes, to come to receiue the communion, but he stode in vaine, for any that would come to him. Yet did he stil come to the altare, when so either the feaste, or his deuotion required.

Notes

• * 1.1

  S. Augu∣stines ex∣ample cā¦not be fit¦ly applied to M. Iev¦els pur∣pose. S. Augu. speaketh of do∣ctrine, M. Ievv. of a particu∣lar facte.
• * 1.2

  Chrysost. homil. 61. ad Pop. Antiochē.