A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

Iewel.

Shevv vs any one of the Apostles of Christe, or of the learned Catho∣like Doctours of the Churche, that euer said your priuate Masse. Shevv one at the lest, either Greeke or Latine.

Harding.

It was not that, which Tertullian required. He de∣maunded only for the Originals of Churches, and for the order and Succession of Bishops. But for that you durst not cal, knowing, that we could shew, how S. Augustine conuerted vs, being sent into England from S. Gregorie the Pope, whiche Pope S. Gregorie succeded S. Peter in his Chaier. Thus we can shew the Originals of our Chur∣ches, bringing them from the Catholike Bishops, whiche are yet aliue, vpward vntil S. Peter.

But you are fallen away from the matter of Successi∣on, which only Tertullian presseth, and are now come to demaunde of a particular facte, whether any Apostle, or olde Father euer said priuat Masse, or no. I say, al of them might haue said priuate Masse, and that I proue by Ter∣tullians reason, and rule, bicause the vse of saying priuate Masse came to vs time out of minde by Succession, without any change or innouation noted therin by any storie or Chronicle. And yet was ther neuer any strange or new thing receiued and vsed in the Churche, but that great trouble came thereof (as now there doth of your changing of Religion) the whiche trouble of Churches, and common Weales, is at no time omitted in the sto∣ries

of that age, wherein it falleth. But now seing the vse of saying priuat Masse came so peaseably to vs from hand to hand, and no first author thereof can be shewed: it is out of al controuersie, that it was euer accompted a Godly and a lawful thing.

But what neede I now to repeate that I haue already written in that argument? Answer that parte of my booke better to the purpose then yet ye haue donne, whiche treateth of that point, where many plaine eui∣dences be brought forth of Sole Receiuing in the Pri∣mitiue Churche, whiche Sole Receiuing is the onely thing, for whiche you reproue priuate Masse, as you cal it. It is cleare, that S. Chrysostom and certaine others said Masse, and yet had no man to receiue with them, as I haue other where declared. I thinke not good now to fal into that Disputation againe, and therefore here I wil cal you home to the present Argument of Succes∣sion.

Notes

• M. Ievv∣slyly di∣uerteth from the present matter, to an other mater im¦pertinent touching priuate Masse.
• Sole Re∣ceiuing.
• In my an¦svvere, Art. 1. and likevvise in my first Re∣ioindre. Aug. Epi. 165.