A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

Iewel. Pag. 10.

As for Iohn VViclef, Iohn Hus, VValdo, and the rest, they vvere godly men, their greatest heresie vvas this, that they complained of the disso∣lute, and vitious liues of the Clergie, of vvorshipping of Images, of feined miracles, of the tyrannical pride of the Pope, of Monkes, Friers, Pardons, Pilgrimages, and Purgatorie, and other like deceiuing, and mocking of the People: and that they vvished a reformation of the Churche.

Harding. That Wiclef mainteined sundrie hainous Heresies.

Beside these heresies whiche you accompte for none M. Iewel, they had sundry other farre greater. As for example: Among the Articles of Wiclef condemned in the Councel of Constance, this was one: That if a Bi∣shop, or a Priest be in deadly sinne, he doth not order, conse∣crate, nor baptise. This was the plaine heresie of the Do∣natistes, as it appeareth by S. Augustine. Item, that God ought to obey the Deuil. Item, that it is against the Scri∣pture, that Ecclesiastical Ministers shoulde haue any tem∣poral possessions. If this be no greater heresie then the

reste M. Iewel, then allowe it, as you allowe the reste. But the gaine is to sweete: you can not brooke it.

Item, that no man is a temporal Lorde, no man is a Prelate, no man is a Bishop, whiles he is in mortal sinne. If ye make this no Heresie, then ye denie the Queene to be Queene of England, when so euer she falleth into Mortal sinne. And whereas by your doctrine, ye make euery sinne mortal, vtterly reiecting the distinction of venial sinnes, the Quene, as no man elles, lyuing not without sinne: What meane you by this doctrine, to allowe her in this case for no Quene of England? She is muche beholden vnto you.

Item by Wiclef the common people maie at their ar∣bitriment correcte their Lordes, when they doo amisse. If you, and your fellowes wil allowe this for a true Do∣ctrine, and preache it in your Pulpites lustily, ye shal like the people ioilily, and wel: and thereof doubtelesse wil followe suche order, and obedience, as becommeth your Gospel, and as Satan the Authour of it, shalbe pleased withal. Suche the like, and worse, were the Heresies of Huss, and Waldo. These Articles, and many other were recorded both in the general Councel of Con∣stance, and in your felowe Fox in his booke of the De∣uilles Martyrs.

But touching Iohn Hus, sith ye make him so god∣ly a man, and so voide of al Errours, and Heresies, how wil you defend him for that so commonly he said Masse, whereat ye enueigh and raile so muche? Looke in the Teutonical historie of the Councel of Constance, written by one Huldrick Reichental Citizen of Con∣stance, and ye shal finde by him reported, who liued

at that very time, and marked wel, what happened 〈◊〉〈◊〉 those daies, that Iohn Hus oftentimes said Masse in his hostes house during the time of his abode in Constance, and that the people came much vnto it. Itaque Domini∣ca Oculi quae tertia est in Quadragesima, vbi celebrasset Mis∣sam mane, &c. When he had said Masse (saith he) in the Sundaie named Oculi, whiche is the third Sundaie in Lent. And this did Hus, not onely before he had read the Bookes of Wiklef, by whiche he was carried awaie into an other Gospel, but also at the ende of his life, euen a litle before for his detestable heresies he was burnte, as it is at large reported by the said Reichental and witnessed by Ioannes Cochlaeus lib. 2. De Historia Hussitarum.

Pag. 11. In the matter of planting the faith among the Britaines, and the English, M. Iewel telleth vs againe a longe tale, which he tolde vs before in his Replie, the vn∣truthes whereof are already largely, and specially, con∣futed in the Returne of vnthruthes vpon his Replie, Art. 3. pag. 124. & sequent. Wherein he dissembleth vtterly al answer made thereunto, though it be wel knowen, that he hath seene the said Returne, and that he had one with the first presented vnto him at Oxforde, at what time the Quenes Ma^tie was there in progresse. In that page he be∣lieth extremely Theodoritus, Nicephorus, and Galfridus of Mounmouth, sclaundering immoderately vnder Golfridus name, our blessed Apostle S Augustine. See the Returne pag. 30.

In the page following he belieth Beda twise: first ap∣plying that to the English menne, which he spake of the Britaines, namely of 7. Bishoppes, and one Archebishop,

&c. For what soeuer he telleth vs of the Queene, King Ethelbertes wife, who being a Frenche woman liued in the exercise of her Religion, that she was Christened in among the Christian people of Fraunce: certaine it is, that our English Nation (of whom in my Answer to his Cha∣lenge, I spake, and not of the Britaines) were not Christiās, before S. Augustine came, sent by S. Gregorie frō Rome.

Secondly he belieth Beda, in saying as out of his eccle∣siastical storie, that the Christians of our Countrie vtterly refused to receiue this newe Apostle with his religion. For Bede speaketh only of the Britaine or welshe Bishoppes, but nothing so muche as M. Iewel fableth.

They refused to obey him as their Archebishop, they refused not his religion. They were also in many pointes Schismatikes, as Bede in the same place recordeth, whom M. Iewel here so commendeth. See Bede either in Latine, or in English lib. 2. cap. 2. The matter is of right good im∣portance, and worthy to be tried.

Pag. 12. The iudgement of Constantine the great in a cause Ecclesiastical betwen Cacilianus, and Donatus à Casis nigris he reneweth againe, vtterly dissembling the Answer made thereunto in the Returne. Art. 4. pag. 105. & sequēt.

Pag. 14. He bringeth in againe the commō obiections against the Real Presence, out of Tertullian, and S. Augu∣stine dissembling vtterly, that those obiections are answe∣red, and fully soluted by M. D. Saunder in his 7. booke of the supper of our Lord, partly also by me in my Answer. And so doth he in this pretensed Defence repete his olde stuffe, whiche he laid forth in his Replie before, as if the same had not benne already answered, and confuted.

Notes

• The. 3. Chapt.
• Art. 4.
• Lib. 1. cō∣tra Peti∣lianū. ca. 1. Art. 6. Art. 10.
• Art. 15.
• Art. 17.
• Cōcil. Cō∣stant. Sess. 8. pag. 96.
• Masse said by Hus.
• In histor. Teutonica de Concil. Costātien.
• The 4. chapt.
• M Ievvel dissēbleth al an∣svvere made to his vn∣truthes.
• S. Augu∣stine the Apostle of the En¦glish na∣tion sclaū¦dered by M. Ievvel vnder the name of Golfridus Monemu¦thensis.
• The 5. Chapt.
• M. Ievvel in the De∣fence re∣peteth a∣gaine the old stuffe of his Replie in many pointes, as if the same were not an∣svvered.