A pleasant purge for a Roman Catholike to evacuate his evill humours consisting of a century of polemicall epigrams, wherein divers grosse errors and corruptions of the Church of Rome are discovered, censured, refuted, in a facetious yet serious manner / by William Prynne ...

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A pleasant purge for a Roman Catholike to evacuate his evill humours consisting of a century of polemicall epigrams, wherein divers grosse errors and corruptions of the Church of Rome are discovered, censured, refuted, in a facetious yet serious manner / by William Prynne ...
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On, and against Popish Ave-Maries.

NO Ave-Marie now? No Salutation Of the blest Virgin since her Exal∣tation? Thea Angell sayd it whilst shee here did Live; Must we not then this honour now her give,

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In state of Glory, mounted up on High To Godsb right hand, above the Starrie skie?
No. Why? because it is Ac Salutation, [ 1] And so Casheer'd by this Her Elevation. Friends, Neighbours use none to salute or greete By speech, whilst absent, but when as they meete. If Men in England should salute with Ave Their friends in Spaine, & cry to them, God save yee, All Haile good sirs, and with them Complement Whiles absent there, as if they were present; Or should they Aves to their Pictures say, And them Salute, as you doe hers each day, All would them deeme mad, foolish; are not ye Then Mad, Craz'd, Sottish thus to cry Ave, Hayle Mary full of Grace, to Mary here, And to her Pictures, as if still she were Here present with you; when you all grant, know, She's now ind heav'n above, not here below, Ten Millions more remote from you all, then▪ Those now in Spaine are from us English Men. No doubt your wits are fled, you quite erre, dote, Thus to salute her from you so Remote, Since Fooles, yea little Children still deny To aske their Parents blessing, if not by; Go to Salute them with Cap, Congie, Knee, Except they see them, and they present be.
[ 2] The Angell Courted her not till hee came Into her Presence; pray doe ye the same; Stay, till you meete her Person, then salute; The Angell else your folly will confute; Who in her absence us'd no Complement, Nor Ave, but when, where she was present. Nor did he her Salute, nor Ave cry Till hef was sent by God in Embassie

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To Her from Heav'n Above, and to her came With speciall tydings: doe you than the same. Stay till God sends you to her, then salute: The Angell, else, your Dotage will refute. When you come to her with an Embassie From God, then Her salute and Aue cry: But not before, since tis Presumption Her to salute without commission.
None butg An Angell, not one Mortall Man [ 3] Saluted her with Ave here: how can You then (no Angels, but meere men) presume The Angels Salutation to Assume? And this greath Queene of Heav'n greet thus? I feare You are too bold with Him and Mary here, First, to Vsurpe his words, and then to cry Ave to this grand Queene Familiarly, Without their leave or God's, as if you were Their equals; till you be so, pray forbeare Your Aves: Its not Manners, nor Decent For you with this grand Queene to Complement: It stands not with a Princesse Royalty, That all should her salute Familiarly.
The Angle sayd his Avei once, no more [ 4] Then ceast, and did not oft repeate it o're. How then can you your Aves every Day Repeate oft times together, when you pray, And never cease? the Angle certainely Did never teach you such Battologie. Your Legends write of great St Marguerite, That she a thousand times us'd to recite The Ave Mary, Prostrate on the Ground On Each Feast, Vigil▪ which she sacred found

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Ʋnto the Virgin, and did cry Ave When and where ere she did her Image see; Yea, Popes andk Masse-Bookes order you each day By sound of Bell, nine Aves for to Say, Morning, Noone, Evening, three Aves together Without one Pater Noster them to sever; So that you pray to Mary nine times more Each day, than unto God, if not nine Score. For, in your Ladies Beades or Rosary; (Which all Dominican Monkes, and sundry Besides, are bound to use still) you each day l An hundred fifty Ave Maries say. Successively; ten Ave Maries to One Pater Noster; and so pray unto, Her ten times more than to God the Father, And so her ten times before him preferre, At least, if not farre more,m beginning all Your houres, with Aves to her, ere you call On God, your lips to open, and to be Your Aide; proceeding, ending with Ave To her: with it you still begin and end Your Sermons, Prayers; Her, more than God intend. Fooles, why doe ye thus her preferre before God, and than him invoke thus ten times more? Why doe you vexe her with Battologies, And Peales of oft rehearst Ave Maries From day to day? for shame this clamour cease, The Angell else will bid you hold your Peace, Who sayd his Ave onely once, no more For ought we reade; give then your Aves o're; You have repeated them so oft Each day, That now tis time to cast them quite Away,
The Angell his Ave to Mary sayd [ 5] n Before his tydings to her were display'd; To informe her of something she before

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Knew not at all; which done, he spake no more. You not to informe her of ought that's new, Or of a thing which she before not knew; But out of feare least she forget what He Inform'd her then through flux of time, Ave Byo Millions to her still cry night and day Unceasantly, and nought but Aves say; No doubt she heares them not, for if she did, She would as many times each day have chid You for your folly, as you Ave cry, Not to her honour, but great infamie; Who thinke her deafe, dull, voyde of Memory, Forgetfull of her Grace, Felicity, And of the Angels Message; at least wise Delighted with your vaine Tautologies, That you such Peales of Aves to her Thunder; If she heare ought for them it is a wonder. Cease than to cloy, deafe, shame, vex her with Ave, Else shee'l heare nought else, nor have time to save ye; Tooke up, deaft, tyred with Aves alone; To her no pleasing, but distastefull Tone, Which at the firstp perplext; made her admire, But now thus babled, her Provokes to Ire. Learne Manners from the Angell, Ave cease When utter'd once, then after hold your peace. Cease Aves now for shame; if you proceede You are no Angels but the Cuckoo's breed.
He, as aq preface to his Embassie [ 6] Ʋs'd his Ave, whiles she was here onely Among Women, in State of Grace, not Glory; Be you then guided by the Angels story. You have no Embassie unto her Grace, From God himselfe, to preface thus; her Case, State, Place, are altred much from what they were When as the Angell her saluted here:

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She was thenr among Women; now on high, She hath no Women in her Company: There are no women yet in heav'n; its true Good womens Soules are there in Blisse, but you Cannot their Soules call women; since soules are Not Male nor female, and nought doth declare, Make, differ Sexes but bodies alone; And womens Bodies yet in heav'n are none; Therefore no women doubtlesse are now there: But Grant they be, yet no Women are neare Where you place Her,s at Gods Righth and on high, On the throne of the Blessed Trinity, Above all Angels, Saints, who come not nigh The Virgin, whom you mount, advance so high. You cannot then say truely, Blest art thou Among Women; Unto the Virgin now; Sith no Women are in her Company: When you say Aves now, you still doe Lye.
[ 7] He, as at Salutation, not a Prayer His Ave Mary uttered first to her: You as a prayer to her it say alway; This doth your Error, sottishnesse display▪ His Salutation was not, cannot be A prayer to her, as you shall clearely 〈◊〉〈◊〉.
[ 1] First, t'was anv Angell sayd it; Angels pray Not unto men, whom theyx gard, save alway; God never sent an Angell to teach Men, To pray to Him, much lesse to Mary; then It is no Prayer; no Angels but Christ may Presume once to prescribe what Men shall pray.
[ 2] He spake it when hey came her newes to bring Of Christs conception, craving her nothing.

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It was az greete from God; to make it then [ 3] A Prayer to her, makes God to pray to Men.
There is no word in it which possibly His greete a Prayer to her can once Imply. [ 4]
Besides, thea Text,b you, it expressely call [ 5] A Salutation, and no prayer at all. And that a meere salute a pray'r should be To her, seemes strange, nay senselesse unto me.
The Text addes further;c she was troubled at [ 6] His saying, and did cast in her minde, what Manner of Salutation this should be: Which made the Angell say, (c) Feare not: Had she Thought this a prayer made to her, certainely She had not thus bin troubled, scar'd thereby. Nought this a prayer, unto her can import, To make it then a Prayer now is mad sport, Unlesse be for her: if you this deny, A Prayer for her the words it prove clearely.
Firstd Ave, which All Haile, or happinesse [ 1] Attend you, signifies, is an expresse Prayer for, not to her; and is just the same With our salute, God save you blessed Dame; Which all confesse to be a Pray'r not to But for those we salute; than Ave's so.
Next, Dominus Tecum; The Lord be with thee, Is a prayer for, not to her: this to be [ 2] So, is most cleare by all your Liturgies, Houres Masse-bookes, where the Priest thus prayes and cryes. e Dominus Tecum oft times; which all call A prayer to God, for, not to men at all.

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By this then see your Madnesse, folly, shame, In saying Aves to the Blessed Dame. You thinke thereby you onely pray unto Not for the Virgin, when you quite crosse doe, Praying not to, but for her alwayes when You say your Aves: O mad, senselesse Men! If she thus neede your Aves her to save, Blesse, bring to God, how can you then ought crave Pray, gaine from her? If she needs prayers from you She can ill ayde, save those who to her sue. Youf write, she is in height of Happinesse; That God, Christ, she, doe now one throne possesse. It is meere folly then and surplusage To Power out Aves for her in this Age: At least wise Salves; which you make the same With Aves in your Masse-bookes; where the Dame Is oft saluted, prayd for thus,g Salve Maria, or Regina, God save thee Mary, or Queene of heav'n; which doth imply, That she is not yet saved perfectly; Because you pray God thus to save her still; (A pray re not to, But for her Grace, as will Appeare by this prayer often Mentioned, h God save the King; us'd when Kings were Crowned, Not to, but for them, by their subjects:) or If she be sav'd already, this prayer for Her (made for none but those not saved yet, And men on Earth, if I doe not forget) Must needes be Idle, Vaine, Absur'd; and she With it no doubt, will much displeased be, Since it her not yet saved doth imply, As it did when she wasi here, not on High. Before she saved was you might well say, Aves and Salves for her; but not pray Thus for her now, when saved perfectly, In Heav'n (as you hold)k Both soule and Body.

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The Angell had no Ave Maryl Bell, Sounding each morning, noone, night, him to tell When he should say his Ave to Mary, As you have, by whose sound your Aves Cry, Thrice trebled dayly which Bell, no Popes Ban Or Interdicts from ringing silence Can, Asm Calderin most sagely notes; though they. All other Bells from ringing wholy stay. The ringing these Bells is of such Moment, That the Orders of Monkes at Rome oncen went To Law about it, before the Popes Grace, To know which of them foure should in first place It ring each morning: where after long sute, Much cost, more wrangling, and no small dispute: It was at last resolved finally, By an unalterable Act, that they Who did first rise, should ring it first of all Each morning, men to Aves thus to call. But since the Angell sounded no such Bell, You should not ring it if you would doe well.
The Angell had no Beads whereon to say His Aves by set number every day; [ 9] He sayd it but once, without Beads, then you Musto Beades and dayly Aves bid Adue.
He sayd it not by way of Pennance; ye [ 10] p Injoyne men for their Penance the Ave To Mumble over by set Scores, and then They are absolved and meere guiltlesse Men.
The Angell fell not on his knees when he [ 11] Unto the Virgin spake his first Ave. Why then doeq you before her Image fall, And kneele when you with Aves on her call?

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The Angell sayd his Ave onely to Herr Person, not her Picture; you unto, Before hers Image, not her Person say Your Ave Maries onely, when you pray. Is it that you her Pictures deeme to be Her self, that you them greete thus with Ave? If not, belike it is because you feare She is sot farre off now she cannot heare Your voyce, but yet her Images close by May chance to heare you, when you Ave cry Before them: but I doubt they both have lost Their hearing quite, she, and the painted post: And so your Babled Aves are lost, vaine: You may doe well then from them to abstaine.
[ 13] The Angell sayd no Pater Noster as A Prologue to his Ave; neither was The Ave heretofore joyn'd to the Pater Ad its part or Apendix why of Later Times than doe ye in your Houresv Offices Prayers, Masse-bookes use to preface your Aves With Pater Nosters, yea make them a part Of the Lords Prayer, or Codicell by Art? Conjoyning them so neare, that none may say A Pater without Ave, when they pray: As if they both were prayers alike, and all Who pray Ovr Father, ought likewise to call On Mary as their Mother, Queene, else they Shall not be answered though they Paters say. Had this beene so, the Angell, or Christ would Have them conjoyn'd thus, or at least we should Have found them coupled thus in sacred writ; Which since it doth disjoyne them as unfit To Match, sute, run together; you both erre And sinne no doubt to Yoke them thus together.

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Belike the Pater is a Beggerly Prayer, and Ave is infinitely Better than it, as some held heretofore, That you conjoyne them, and say halfe a score Aves for one sole Pater Noster; this Angell neere taught you thus to pray amisse.
His Ave did in time and Place preceede [ 14] The Pater: you, in both make it succeede. His Avex was before Christs birth, but the Pater long after it; Luke, his Ave Records in his first Chapter; the Pater In his Eleaventh, in time, place later Than it: you Ave after Pater say, Place, and so from the Text run quite astray.
Nay you the Angles Ave farre out-goe [ 15] Joyningy Elizabeths salute thereto As if it were the Angels owne; whereby You Wrong the Text, and make the Angle Lye And speake Non-sence, in saying, blessed be The Fruite of thy Wombe; when tis cleare that she z Had then no Fruite conceived in her wombe: Whence he tels her, The Holy Ghost shall come Vpon thee, and the Power of the Highest Shall over-shadow thee, both these exprest Not in the Present, but the Future Tense, Her clause as his, makes him lye, speake non-sence, It being true when she it spake after Maries conception; false when he to her. Sayd his Ave before it. This is bad, But that is worse which you to his words adde.
a Sancta Maria ora pro Nobis, &c. [ 16] Holy Mary pray for us, none of his

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Nor of Elizabeths Words, nor once found In scripture why then doe you joyne, confound This cursed Pray'r thus with the Angels speech As if the Angels Mary did beseech To Pray God for men, and this clause indite Which you as part of his salute recite, To make poore people to the Virgin pray, Who thinke all Scripture, Angels words they say. Sinceb all it tearme the Angells Salutation, When these words are Romes damned innovation, Patcht to the Angels greete: which forgery The silly People cannot possibly Discover, since Rome takes Gods Word away From them, which should this Jugling trick display And leaves them none but such bookes where they finde This clause annext, the better them to blinde. The Angle did not such forg'd Aves say: You must them then discard and cast away.
[ 17] Th' Angell before, and after Offices, Psalms, Lessons, Hymns, Houres, Sermons and Glories No Aves sayd,c Like, you; much lesse did he Into the 95. Psalme his Ave: And Lord be with you, insert, as you doe Foure times within this Psalme, annexing two Aves more unto its close,e placing one Before it, though in the old Testment none Can finde one Ave: Nay, whereas in the Whose Bible there is onely one Ave Us'd by the Angell, you doe it record Repeate at large, omitting not one word An hundred and fifty times in one small Rosary onely; and in most of all Your Offices, Houres, Missalls I it finde, Well nigh as oft recited in this kinde.

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O Monstrous Babling and Battologie!g The Angell taught you no such Cuckooes Cry.
The Angell sayd his Ave onely to [ 18] Mary her selfe; you say, (Nay write that you May say) these Aves, Paters to, before Those other Saints whom you invoke, implore, As you now use to say your Beades and Pater To Mary and her Image, as your Father, And then say Aves at your Paters end To God the Father: this for shame amend, Since tis the height of Madnesse, Blasphemy To God, to Saints to say Ave Mary, And to say Paters to Saints, and to her As if they were God, your heav'nly Father.
He never sayd an Ave too, before [ 19] The Crosse, which you now pray to and adore Withh Ave Lignum Triumphale; nay Withi Ave Maries which you to it say Ork Ave Crux spes unica; All Haile O Crosse our onely hope; doe thou availe In Godly men to Judgement Righteousnesse, And pardon to the guilty to adresse, He never sayd an Ave to the speare That did Christs blessed side both pierce and teare, When you sing Ave Lignum triumphale, Felix Hasta, All Haile,l or God save thee Triumphant Iron, happy speare, these you, Salute, adore withm Latry as their due; And the Crosse, Nayles, Speare,n worship, deifie, Because they did Christs Body Crucifie,o As you salute, adore, Mary for that She bore,p preserved, nurst Christ; and did flat Contrary to them, these your Aves be Quite Crosse to hers, and cannot well agree

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The Virgin cannot take it well that these Should be ador'd with Latry and Aves As well as she, and equaliz'd to her For killing Christ, who did him Nurse and beare. Yea, you say Ave Chrisma to that Oyle And Chrisme wherwith you children grease & soile: And to S. Anne,p Roch, others Aves say, In all these you quite from the Angell stray.
[ 20] He never said his Ave at no one day By sound of bell, as you it use to say q By Pope Calixtus precept, to the end That these Aves might those aide and defend Who did against the Turkes fight usually, A goodly charme, no doubt, to make Turkes fly.
Nor did he ever chaunt Ave Mary [ 21] Tor rescue searcht sovles out of Purgatory, Or rather Hell, as you doe, when you say Your Ave Mary prayers at Nooneday, And in your Offices for the dead where You Ave Maries say, and pray God there Tos free the dead from Satans Power, Gods Ire Endlesse Damnation,t bells torments, and fire Without one word at all of Purgatorie Whose name in Missals, Houres, appeares rarely: Good proofe there is no Purgatory: you [ 22] Must than this kinde of Aves bid adue.
The Angells Ave was but arbitrary, Not sayd of duty but ofv curtesie, You deeme your Aves, Maries right and due, Though neither God, Christ, She, them crave from you. [ 23] The Angell greeted Mary with Ave Onelyx before Christs birth; you since, when ye

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Cannot produce one Text, proofe, that any Thus greeted her since Christs Nativitie: Whereas we reade, they Wise men from the East Who came to worship Christ, and did not rest Ʋntill they found him, when they came into The house, and saw him with his Mother too, Fell prostrate, worshipt him onely, not her And to him offred Gold, Incense, and Myrrhe, But offered naught, we reade, to her at all; Nor her saluted; you quite Crossez downe fall Worship, Salute, Present, Invoke onely Her, and the Babe Christ, in her Armes, passe by Uncourted, uninvoked, No Ave Is said to him, knee bow'd, thing offered; she (A Crowned Queene) hath all the Ceremonie, Prayers, Worship, Off'rings, whiles he a Babie In her Armes, is Neglected: O fooles see How opposite to the wise Men you be, Whoa did Salute, Adore, Present onely The sucking Babe, but past the Mother by. No doubt theb Angell would have done likewise Had he seene Christ with her, before his eyes: Or in her armes: you must not Ave cry Then, or her greet henceforth, if Christ be by, As he is still, in Picture, when you say Your Aves to her Image, as you pray.
He never did his Ave Mary say To purge all Mortall, Veniall sinnes away, [ 24] Asc you your Aves and your Rosary Vse for to say; a new found Purgatory To Purge Men from all sinnes without Christs blood, Which the Apostles never Understood.

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He did establish nod Fraternity Of our Ladies Chapter or Rosary, As you have done, to cry Ave each day An hundred and fifty times without stay; To all of which Order Pope Innocent The Eight by his hand, voyce and full consent e Gave two plenary Indulgences; In Life one, in death the to'ther of all sinne; And five yeares after gave an hundred yeares And Quarantines of Pardons to each beares The Chaplet but about him; and many Popes since, to those who say the Rosary And Ave, have granted them, seven, five, two Yeares indulgence, with Quarantines thereto. Nay Alexander the sixth gave Pardon For thirty thousand yeares, to every one Who before the Altar of our Lady With Christ and her Mother, should say onely A speciall Ave, importing that she Was without sinne conceiv'd; such Pardons he Did neither give nor grant to any here For saying his Ave,f Popes may well forbeare Then for to grant them; till God, Christ, Mary, This Angell give them such Authority.
[ 26] The Angel which appear'd to Gideon, Did use to him this Salutation; g The Lord is with thee O thou Man of Might: Yet none this greete to Gideon will recite: An Angell unto Manoahs Wife, also Brought downe from God these happie tidings; Lo Thou shalt conceive and beare a Sonne; the same In substance with those he to Mary came; Yet none to her this greeting Message use: You must then both repeate, or both refuse. Anh Angell to the Shepheards, Zachary

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Brought tydings of Johns, Christs Nativity; And sayd to them as unto Mary here, Feare not, and so forth; yet it is most cleare That none to them these greets or Aves say; You must your Ave Maries cast away Then by the selfesame reason, since that ye Can shew no Precept, Ground to say Ave To Mary onely, and to pretermit The Angels words to all these, as unfit To use each day alone, or joyn'd to the Lords prayer, as your Ave Maries be.
The Angell never dreamp't that his Ave, [ 27] Could Reprobates and damned Soules set free From hell it selfe, when as your Rosary Of Ave Maries, (Ifi Alanus lye Not,) but devoutly used will obtaine Eternall life for Reprobates, and gaine Damn'd tortur'd Soules out of hell fire, whence ye Record, that Abbotk Odilo did free The soules of Reprobates and damn'd men by His Prayers, and his Covents of Clary From Hell, or Vuleans Pots, in whose flames they By Devils were tormented night and day: All which the Devills did oft times Lament In hearing of an Anchorite, who sent This newes to Odilo; who then ordaines All-soules day hereupon, damn'd soules from paines Of hell to free, and not from Purgatory, As most now write against the sirst pend story. If Ave Maries, Rosaries can free Damn'd Soules from hell, Few then shall dam∣ned be.
In fine, his Ave was esteem'd no part [ 28] Of Maries or Gods worship: by what art

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Have you thenl made it both; who thinke that she, And God too, by your Aves worshipt be: Yet Mary more than God, since that you all Your Offices, Houres, Psalters; Masse-bookes call Not Gods, but Maries, so that you adore, Serve, her onely now, at least-wise her more By farre than God, Christ, since your bookes thus beare Her name and title, not theirs, as is cleare By your new Printed Masse-bookes, which stil'd be In all their Titles, Fronts, as you may see, Our Ladies Psalters, Primers, Offices, Houres, Rosaries, and such like: This Aves Use hath in time produced, you to Make Herm Servants and Devoti; who forsake God, Christ, the Holy Ghost, and Trinity Adoring none for God, but her onely: She is Romes Goddesse; God, Father, Son, Sp'rite, Trinity, Mother; and none else of Right. Theb Stateliest Churches, Altars, Images Most Monkes, Nunnes, Orders; all Houres, Offices, Bookes of Devotion are hers, beare her Name, And all Grace, Pardon comes from this blest Dame, As Rome Avers now. This Aves have wrought Beyond, contrary to the Angels thought, And Maries too; who by them hath undone, Ungodded both the Father, and the Sonne.

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