The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ...

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The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ...
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Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. -- Grotian religion discovered.
Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. -- Five disputations of church-government and worship.
Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. -- Key for Catholicks.
Grotius, Hugo, 1583-1645.
Hickman, Henry, d. 1692.
Bagshaw, Edward, 1629-1671.
Church of England -- Controversial literature.
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"The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ..." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A54844.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 3, 2024.

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Mr. Morice of Werrington his New Inclosures broken down.

Mr. Hickman.

The importunity of friends —the common Vouchee for publications. Epist. p. 1. l. 18, 19.

As did the heathen perse∣cutors by the primitive Chri∣stians, putting them into beasts skins. ib. p. 2. l. 11.

So coursely and undecent∣ly dealt with as I have been. ib. p. 9. l. 11.

Seasonable Counsell which Galba gave to Piso, Nero à pessimo quoque deside∣rabitur,

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mihi & tibi provi∣dendum est, ne etiam à bo∣nis desideretur. ib. p. 9. l. pe∣nult, &c.

Notwithstanding all his Bustle and Ratlings, im∣partial and judicious men may discerne, he is but like that Goth in Procopius, who though he fought fiercely, had the mortal Arrows stick∣ing in his Helmet, whereof he soon after fell. Book. p. 2. l. 2, &c.

I am faln into an age in which I have learn'd to ad∣mire nothing, not so much from any knowledge I have attained unto, of the causes of things, as from the multi∣tude of strange effects. Pref. p. 4. l. 1. &c.

That commune Dei ho∣minum{que} odium, Mr. Hobbs. Book p. 7. l. 1, &c.

As Ithasius, who having no other virtue but his hatred to the Priscillianists, &c. ib. p. 8. l. 3, &c.

That I might wel say with Ierome, Qui non ignoscit in∣genio, ignoscat tempori. ib. p. 16. l. antep.

A blasting of all graces, and an alloy to all endow∣ments;

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as if it might be sai'd of his opinion, as Austine speaks of discretion, Tolle hanc, & virtus vitium erit. ib. p. 17. l. 18. &c.

I have the thousand wit∣nesses to attestate. ib. p. 22. l. 12.

The desires of my soul are to receive — a Prophet in the name of a Prophet, not as concurring with me, &c. ib. p. 22. l. 13▪ &c.

My cordiall affections to — are as well known, as I my self am. ib. p. 22. l. 18.

To inodiate. ib. p. 22. l. 26.

Professe, as a precise and measured truth. ib. p. 23. l. 18.

Judgement often varieth with interest, and things ac∣quire a price, not so much for what they are in themselves, as for what they are relative∣ly to our ends and purposes, — no good money when he should take it, is currant coine when he should pay it. ib. p. 59. l. 20, &c.

An Essay of the Spartan's valour, who being struck down by a mortal blow, used 〈◊〉〈◊〉 stop their mouthes with

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earth, that they might not be heard to quetch or groan, thereby to affright their fel∣lowes, or animate their ene∣mies. ib. p. 3. l. 6.

Cannot fall down and worship the idols, which these men have set up, they must expect to be thrown in∣to the fiery furnace, nay they are tormented in it already in Austine's sense, who calls the mouth of an angry adver∣sary by that name. ib. p. 31. l. 15, &c.

Seeing the heat of these epidemicall controversies hath produced more writers, then (to use Plautus his simili∣tude) an hot summer brings forth buzzing flies. ib. p. 107. l. 24.

Hath made a Coward fight for once. ib. p. 108. l. 1.

Neither can I undergoe the judicious tryal of the learned, nor am I willing to hazard the passionate cen∣sures of the ignorant. ibid p. 108. l. 3.

But if his reply shal be sea∣soned with the salt of Mo∣mus, not of Mercury: or if it be stuffed and coloured onely with an ignorantia

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Elenchi, defending that which is not impugned; or if he shal like the flies seek for, and stick onely upon a sore place, fal on the sick and weak parts of my discourse, and never attempt to charge through the main body, I shall vindicate my self onely with contempt and silence. ib. p. 108. l. 20.

Nor have I observed, that many have been healed by going into the troubled wa∣ters, though moved by the best Angels of the Church. ib. p. 108. l. 6, &c.

Nothing — which hath weight enough in it, to turn those scales at Sedan of which Capellus saith, that they would break with the four hun∣dreth part of a grain. ib. p. 68. bot.

Have the same quarrel with me, that Fimbria had with Scaevola, because he did not totum telum in se recipe∣re. ib. p. 93. l. 21, &c.

Who drew the Scheme of their opinions after that Bi∣shop Land was Lord of the House. And I think it no uncharitablenesse to say, that

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some of later times, in ma∣king their judgments, had ve∣ry great respect to the stars that were culminant. ib. p. 25. l. 6, &c.

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Mr. Morice.

The importunity of friends, the common vouchee to war∣rant publications. Epist. p. 8. l. penult.

As the persecutors lapt the primitive Christians in beasts skins. Book. p. 194. l. 5.

So coursely and indecently deat with as I have been. Preface. p. 22. l. 16.

Seasonable Counsel which Galba gave to Pico, Nero à pessimo quo{que} desiderabitur,

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mihi & tibi providendum est, ne etiam à bonis desideretur. Book. p. 93. l. 29.30, &c.

Notwithstanding all their Bustle and Ratling, imparti∣al and judicious men will discerne, they are but like that Goth in Procopius, who though he fought fiercely, had the mortal Arrows sticking in his Helmet, whereof he soon after fell. ib. p. 149. l. 13, &c.

We are lapsed into an age, &c. (and so forward, with some transposition, un∣till those words) — the multiplicity of strange ef∣fects. Preface p. 11. l. 2, &c.

That commune odium Dei at{que} hominum, the Anabap∣tists. Pref. p. 19. l. 19.

Like Ithasius, who had no other virtue but his hatred towards the Priscillianists. Book. p. 43. l. 43, &c.

That I might plead with Jerome, Qui non ignoscit in∣genio, ignoscat tempori. Pref. p. 3. l. 7.

A blasting of all graces, or an alloy to all endowments,

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as if it might be said of this, as St. Augustine speaks of discretion, Tolle hanc & virtus vitium erit. Book p. 159. l. 31.

I have the thousand wit∣nesses to attestate. Pref. p. 15. l. 32.

I desire, to receive a Pro∣phet, in the name of a Pro∣phet, and not a concurrant, &c. Book p. 166. l. 1.

My affectionate respects, to — are as well known as I am. ib. p. 165. l. 21.

For inodiating. ib. p. 165. l. 29.

Professe it, as a precise and measured truth. Pref. p. 9. l. 34.

Iudgement often varieth with interest, and things ac∣quire the price, not so much for what they are really in themselves, as what they are relatively to our ends and turns;—no good money when they should take it, is currant coine when they should pay it. ib. p. 113. l. 31.

An Assay of the Spartan valour, who being struck down by a mortal blow, used to snatch their mouth full

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of earth, that they might not be heard to quetch or groan, thereby to affright their fel∣lowes or animate their ene∣mies. ib. p. 256. l. 17, &c.

Cannot fall down and worship the image, that — hath set up an occasion to bring me into the fiery furnac (as Saint Augustine calls an adversaries angry mouth.) ib. p. 30. l. 8. with p. 67. l. 16.

When the heat of those epidemical controversies hath produced more writers, (to use Plautus his compa∣rison) then an hot summer brings forth buzzing flies▪ Pref. p. 10. l. 24.

Have made a Coward fight. ib. p. 11. l. pen.

As I cannot undergoe the judicious trial of the learned, so I am not willing to hazard the passionate cen∣sures of the ignorant▪ ib. p. 12. l. 6.

But if any reply be seaso∣ned nigro sale Momi non sale candenti Mercurii; or if they shall stuffe and colour it onely with an ignorantia

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Elenchi,— defending that which is not impugned;— shall like flies seek for, and stick onely upon a sore place, and falling upon the sick or some single parts of — with∣out charging through the main body; I shall vindicate my self onely with contempt and silence. Pref. p. 25. l. 29. & p. 26. l. 3.

Very few are healed by going into the troubled wa∣ters, though moved by the best Angels of the Church. ib. p. 12. l. 27.

They will not turn those ve∣ry scales at Sedan, which Capellus tells us would break with the four hun∣dreth part of a grain. Book p. 153. l. antep.

Their quarrel against them like that of Fimbria against Scaevola, totum telum non re∣cipit. ib. p. 256. l. 17, &c. Compare also Pr. p. 4. l. 4. & B. p. 292. l. 27.

(This is out of Mr. Morice exactly, the words only trans∣posed) when they draw the scheme of—, they observe who are Lords of the House,

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they have chief respect to the stars that are culmi∣nant, and accordingly make their judgment. Book p. 43. l. 11, &c.

There are many more Instances to be given in from Mr. Morice, which for brevities sake must be omitted.

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