Observations, censures, and confutations of notorious errours in Mr. Hobbes his Leviathan and other his bookes to which are annexed occasionall anim-adversions on some writings of the Socinians and such hæreticks of the same opinion with him / by William Lucy ...

About this Item

Title
Observations, censures, and confutations of notorious errours in Mr. Hobbes his Leviathan and other his bookes to which are annexed occasionall anim-adversions on some writings of the Socinians and such hæreticks of the same opinion with him / by William Lucy ...
Author
Lucy, William, 1594-1677.
Publication
London :: Printed by J.G. for Nath. Brooke ...,
1663.
Rights/Permissions

To the extent possible under law, the Text Creation Partnership has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above, according to the terms of the CC0 1.0 Public Domain Dedication (http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/). This waiver does not extend to any page images or other supplementary files associated with this work, which may be protected by copyright or other license restrictions. Please go to http://www.textcreationpartnership.org/ for more information.

Subject terms
Hobbes, Thomas, 1588-1679. -- Leviathan.
State, The.
Political science.
Cite this Item
"Observations, censures, and confutations of notorious errours in Mr. Hobbes his Leviathan and other his bookes to which are annexed occasionall anim-adversions on some writings of the Socinians and such hæreticks of the same opinion with him / by William Lucy ..." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A49440.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed April 30, 2024.

Pages

Sect. 17.

But because he make's some Queries, which he think's, or seem's to think, are able to stumble a Reader,

Page 383

being unanswerable, I shall, putting them down, endea∣vour to answer them; although I may justly say, in ca∣ses of this nature, it is as true as in any, that a weak and silly man may ask more, then a learned man can answer. His first is (Potest ne fieri, can it be, that he, who is God, can do any thing, not as God, or in the nature of God?) this last phrase (or in the nature of God) seem's to me a strange exposition of that (as God) for quatenus ipsum, is not in the nature of the thing which act's, but according to the nature, or to act out of the Principles of that na∣ture; now that may be done even by God in these out∣ward acts of creating and governing the Creature, which acts are not in, but out of his nature, although according to his nature; I do not understand quatenus here in the strictest sense of Logicians, for that which is reciprocall, but in a larger, as I expounded, it; To the Qestion its self: I answer to it, as it seem's to be proposed, as if it were in generall, that nothing can act any thing which is not out of the principles of its nature; for this, consi∣der, Socrates is a man, yet he can affect sensuall things, which he doth, not as a man, but as a beast, or a sensitive Creature; he groweth and the like, not as a man, that is, out of the principles of humanity, but as a vegetable; again, Socrates is a Son, or a Father, or both; he doth ma∣ny things as neither; he doth many, being a Son, and a man; as a Son out of the principles of Sonship, not as man out of the principles of humanity; so that when any thing hath a substantial essence and a relative, it may act out of the principles of that relative condition it hath, and not out of the essentiall nature it hath; if he speak, as he doth, of the persons of the Trinity, no doubt, but those personall actions and relations betwixt Father, Son and holy Spirit, although done and acted in

Page 384

that essence, yet are not essentiall, but personall; and for other acts, if any person assume any thing into a personal union with it, it may act by and in that united nature, that which it act's, not according to his Divine, that is, out of that principle; thus may it eat, walk, and the like; this (because he still require's instances from the Crea∣ture) is evident out of them; a man, when his hand is warmed by fire, or cooled by Frost, can, by putting his hand to another, warm or cool another's hand, still being a mn, he act's according to the Condition of that quality, which is added to him, and not according to the principles of humanity.

His second Quere is [Can it be, that a Divine person can be a divers thing from the Divine nature] I think, amongst a thousand which he may read, that have writ∣ten about this businesse, who are Orthodox, he can shew none that ever affirmed it it; they say that the Father, Son and Spirit are diverse persons, but not diverse things, diversus est filius, not diversum, a diverse person, not a diverse substance.

His third and last Quere is [Whether it may be, that there should be the same nature of all three persons, and yet, one of these persons acting something, the nature should not act that same thing?] he instances in the incar∣nation, birth, death, &c. of the Son, which had the Divine nature, and yet the Father and the holy Spirit, which had the same nature and essence numero, that is, in number, with the Son, should not be incarnate, born, &c.] To this, I conceive, I have spoken sufficiently already, where I have shewed, that one person can be incarnate, and not the other, which when it is granted, all the rest will fol∣low, he may be conceived, born, dye, &c. in that nature which was united to him, although not in that of which

Page 385

he was a person; which hath been a most Catholick universally received truth, these thousand yeares and upward, in the Christian world, and therefore ought, if refused, to be confuted with reasons, not with oppo∣sition onely of the Authority of two or three men, by a plain denyall and no more. This is all, of any mo∣ment, that I find objected against the exposition of this place, which I hope I have satisfyed, and in it evinced, that our Saviour is a person in the Trinity, equall with the Father, and distinct from the Father.

Notes

Do you have questions about this content? Need to report a problem? Please contact us.