The great mysteries of godlinesse and ungodlinesse the one opened from that eternall truth of the un-erring Scripture of the ever-blessed Jesus, the other discovered from the writings and speakings of a generation of deceivers, called Quakrrs [sic] : wherein their sathanicall depths, and diabolicall delusions, not hitherto so fully known, are laid open ... / by Ra. Farmer ...

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The great mysteries of godlinesse and ungodlinesse the one opened from that eternall truth of the un-erring Scripture of the ever-blessed Jesus, the other discovered from the writings and speakings of a generation of deceivers, called Quakrrs [sic] : wherein their sathanicall depths, and diabolicall delusions, not hitherto so fully known, are laid open ... / by Ra. Farmer ...
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"The great mysteries of godlinesse and ungodlinesse the one opened from that eternall truth of the un-erring Scripture of the ever-blessed Jesus, the other discovered from the writings and speakings of a generation of deceivers, called Quakrrs [sic] : wherein their sathanicall depths, and diabolicall delusions, not hitherto so fully known, are laid open ... / by Ra. Farmer ..." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A40897.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 5, 2024.

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ANSVVERS To severall Queries put forth to the despised people called QƲAKERS.

We having received a paper which was directed to Rich. Roper, and to his Quaking friend, which words comes from the dark carnal mind, quaking and trembling, which the Saints and holy men of God witnessed, we own and witnesse, therefore do we deny thee, and all thy dark divinations.

WHereas thou Philip Bennet, in thy note, which thou hast written to Roper, in answer to a Letter which he wrote to thee, wherein he charges thee to be a liar, and a false accuser, and charges thee to bring any man to witness what thou hast spoken by them, whom thou sayes, denied that Christ that died at Jeru∣salem, and who they were that denied that Christ that suffered at Jerusalem, or else acknowledge thy self to be a slanderer; and in thy paper thou gives no answer at all to these words, but says thou called the Congregation to witness, but doth not mention one in all the Congregation, that will witnesse it; whereupon the lie rests upon thy head, and thou found to be the liar, and the slanderer, and the false accuser.

And whereas thou says, thou hast sent Queries concerning that matter, thy Queries makes thee manifest what thou art; many of thy own tribe and generation, if they saw thy Queries, would be ashamed both of thee, and of thy Queries, for hun∣dreds there are in the world that knows nothing of the true and living God, and yet would see thee and thy Queries not to be worth answering; yet lest thou should boast in thy filthy igno∣rance

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and darknesse, and for clearing of the truth to the sim∣ple, something in answer to them.

I. Quer. Whether was the Word made flesh, or the Son of God made of a woman, more or oftner then once.

Answ. In this first Querie thou hast manifested what thou art to all the children of Light, and where thou art, and what spi∣rit thou art of, a reprobate, a child of darkness thou art; thou might have spared the other nineteen Queries, for in this Query thy spirit is tried, and in the eternal Light seen and known; Thou askes whether the Word was made flesh any more, or oftner then once, which makes it plainly manifest, that thou knows not what thou askest, and that thou doest not know, nor cannot witnesse the Word to be made flesh once, but art one of the An∣tichrists and deceivers which John speaks of, that are entred into the world, which cannot confesse Jesus Christ come in the flesh, and therefore thou Queries whether the Word was made flesh any more, or oftner then once; which Querie comes from thy dark polluted minde, who is out of the Light, and a stranger to the Life, and without God in the world, amongst the false Prophets, Antichrist, and deceivers, which are in the world, and in the Light of Christ, which condemns the world, yea, are all seen, known, and made manifest, and are turned a∣way from by these who dwell in the Light, which Light condemns thee and all thy generation eternally; and the Word made flesh we witnesse which dwells amongst us, and we be∣hold his glory, as the glory of the only begotten of the Father, according to the Scripture, whereby we witnesse thee and all thy generation to be in the sorcery, and in the witchcraft, decei∣ving and betraying the simple, the Light of Christ in thy con∣science will tell thee so, for that thou must be obedient to, and witnesse, before thou witnesse the Word to be made flesh once, for thou art darknesse it self, and the light in thy con∣science, if thou would let it rise, will be thy condemnation, and when thou can witnesse the Word to be made flesh once, then thou wilt know whether the Son of God was made of a Wo∣man any more or oftner then once. But thou art the Dragon that would devour the Man-child, which the Woman hath brought forth, who shall rule all Nations with a rod of iron, and her

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child is caught up to God, and to his Throne, thou, the Dra∣gon, and thy Angels, is cast out into the Earth, and therefore dost thou persecute the Woman, which hath brought forth the Manchild, bat thou art overcome by the blood of the Lamb, and the word of his testimony; and for thy other nineteen Queries, thou hast conjured them up in thy black art, out of the bottomelesse pit which is to be turned into perdition, if thou had an ear thou might hear, or an eye thou might read, but thou art blind.

II. Quaer. Whether did the Man Christ Jesus, the Sonne of God, slain (in respect of Gods decree and efficacy of his death) from the foundation of the world really and indeed suffer death or dissolution of soul and body, as upon the Crosse at Jerusalem, more or oftner then once?

Answ. Here in this Querie thou Diviner is found adding to the Scripture thy divinations of thy own brain, whereup∣on the plagues of God is to be aded unto thee, and poured upon thee; For as thou says, the man Christ Jesus, the Lamb of God slain (in respect of Gods Decree, and efficacy of his death) from the foundation of the world. Oh thou liar, let all people see, where there is such a Scripture that speaks as thou speaks here, but in the sight of Christ thou art seen, and in the life comprehended, and art for condemnation. The man Christ Jesus we own and witnesse, and the Lambs book of life, which was slain from the foundation of the world, we witnesse; the Lamb of God which takes away the sinnes of the world we witnesse, according to the Scripture; praises, praises, eternal praises be to the Lord God for ever, and thee to be the beast that makes war with the Lamb, we witnesse, and thou Antichrist, which looks at Christs death at Jerusalem alone, and cannot confesse him no otherwise but without thee, here thou art but equall with the Pope of Rome, for he confesses Christ died at Jerusalem as well as thou. So let all thy Con∣gregation see what they hold up that follows thee.

III. Quaer. Whether did the man Christ ever really and indeed

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suffer in his own person for that end, and after that manner which hee did once upon the Crosse at Jerusalem, before the time or since the time.

Answ. Here thou full of all subtilty, hath made manifest thy poison and enmity, but with the Light of Christ thou art seen and known, and with it condemned for ever; Christ Jesus in his own person doth and ever did suffer by thee, and such as thou art, and by thy generation he did suffer at Jerusalem, and doth suffer, where he is made manifest by you, after the same manner, and thou blind Pharisee and blasphemer, would thou have Christ to have more ends in suffering then one?

IV. Quer. Whether was not that death the man Christ suffered once, and but once upon the Crosse at Jerusalem, so satisfactory for all the sins of the Elect, as that the justice of God did not, doth not since require any suffering or working upon that account, either from sinner or from Saint.

Answ. Here thou Jesuite, art pleading again for a Christ far off thee, according as thy Father doth at Rome. That Christ that died at Jerusalem did not satisfie for thee, who art an enemy to him, and doth not abide in his doctrine, but acts contrary to his commands, and art under the wo, which he cried against them that were in the same steps where thou art, and from that wo thou shalt never fly. The death of the man Christ Jesus which suf∣fered at Jerusalem, we own and witnesse, the same Christ that suf∣fered at Jerusalem, we witnesse made manifest, and the one God, and the one Mediator we witnesse and know betwixt God and man, the Man Christ Jesus according to the Scripture. And here thou liar art made manifest to all thy Congregation to be a liar, who said amongst them, that we denied that Christ that died at Jerusalem, so let them all be witnesses of thy lies, and let thy mouth be stopt thou liar, who art of the lake; and whereas thou queries, whether the justice of God be not satisfi∣ed for the sins of the Elect, here let shame strike thee in the face, that ever thou should take upon thee to speak to any people, and knows not the Scripture; where dost thou read in all the Scripture, that God doth require satisfaction for the sins of the Elect, or laid any thing to their charge, let all people try thee here by the Scripture, and see whether thou be not a blinde

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ignorant sot, who doth not know what the Justice of God re∣quires, neither from sinner nor from Saint, Isa. 42. 1. 65. 9, 22. Luke 18. 7. Rom. 8, 33.

5 Quaer: Whether you be reconciled to God by any other obedi∣ence then that particular obedience, which Christ performed in his own person, and is mentioned in the Scripture, or by any other suf∣fering or death, then that which Christ once suffered upon the Cross at Jerusalem▪

Answ. Silence flesh: would thou, who art an enemy to God, and a child of disobedience, in whom the Prince of the air rules, know how we are reconciled to God, and by what obedience; first own the light in thy Conscience which condemns thee, and be obedient to that, and then thou shalt know by what obedi∣ence it is that reconciles to God, for yet thou knows not obedi∣ence, nor the death which Christ suffered upon the Cross, thou dost not know, but art an enemy to the Cross of Christ, and in the mystery of iniquity, and in the dark power, and man of sin; what hast thou to do to talk of obedience, who art reconciled to thy lust, and sin reigns in thee, and thou art blind in the broad way that leads unto death, as thy fruits makes it manifest who lives in strife and envy.

6 Quer. Whether did not the man Christ suffer as a publike person in the Elects stead, or in their behalf; and for that end that none who believed in him might dye eternally?

Answ. There thou blind guide makes many replyes, but still one and the same thing, but thou makes it manifest that thou dost not know the man Christ at all, nor his sufferings, for death reigns in thee yet, that hath passed over all men that asks this Querie, for a publike person Christ is not to thee, but a mystery which thou knows nothing of, and for the redeeming of the Elect from under such mouths as thine, did and doth Christ suffer, and those that are brought to believe, denies such dumb Idol shepherds as thee, who as yet doth not believe, and therefore shall dye eternally.

7 Quer. Whether the sufferings of Christ now in his Saints, be all the satisfaction that is made to, or which the Justice of God looks for, for sins past, present, and to come?

Answ. There thou blasphemer asks thou knows not what; is not Christ the same now as ever, and is not the sufferings of

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Christ satisfactory where ever, What wilt thou have to satisfie, if the sufferings of Christ do not satisfie, let all people take notice what a blasphemer thou art, or what they can learn of such a one as thee, who knows neither the Justice of God, nor the sufferings of Christ in his Saints.

8. Quer. Whether was not that body of Jesus, which consisted of flesh, blood and bone, and which was offered upon the Cross at Jeru∣salem the one and onely Sacrifice for sin, God accepted, and to which alone exclusively the Saints before under the Law, and the Saints since under the Gospel, did and do look to be justified by, without any other works?

Answ. Here again thou art replying thy former sottish Que∣ries which rises out of thy dark mind, concerning the body of Je∣sus, as the Devil did about the body of Moses, let thy mouth be stopt here, for the body of Jesus thou knows not, nor what it consists on, and the offering of it up thou knows nothing of, but what thou knows & hears by the outward Letter, that it was offered up at Jerusalem, and the Sacrifice for sin thou knowst not, and thou art none of the Saints, neither under the Law, nor under the Gospel, but art without in the world, in the broad way, blind leading the blind into the ditch, and for thee the bo∣dy of Christ is no satisfaction, and thou Reprobate, what hast thou to do to talk of believing, for that is the condition of the Saints, they do believe and are justified, and their works thou knows not, thou disobedient one, upon whom God will render ven∣geance in flaming fire.

9 Quer. Whether there be not another righteousness by which the Saints are justified in the sight of God, than that which Christ works in them and by them?

Ans. There thou accursed art made manifest, who preaches ano∣ther Gospel: and would have another righteousness then that of Christ, here thou beast to whom the plagues of God is due, and upon whom his wrath must be accomplished, here thou hast made thy self manifest, thou who would have another righteous∣ness then the righteousness of Christ which he works in the Saints and by them, and so thou would be justified and live in thy sin, but thou art shut out from God for ever, and we witness justifi∣cation by Faith, and the just shall live by his Faith.

10 Quer. Whether doth sanctification or justification in order

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antecede holiness of life, or Justification by Faith go before, or whether doth not God love man, ere man loved God?

Answ. Here thou dark blind hypocrite, hath shut thy self out from the knowledge of God in any measure, oh that ever peo∣ple should be so blind as to look for to learn any thing at such a one as thee but sin and filthiness, and what hast thou been teaching them all this while; that neither knows Sanctification, nor Justification yet, but art yet querying whether goes before, let all people judge if thou be not a teacher of lasciviousness, sin, and uncleanness, and how darest thou mention a holy life, or Justification by Faith, which knows neither Justification nor Sanctification. And thee, man, which art Cain, God doth not love nor accept thee nor thy Sacrifice, and for Justification by Faith, thou knowst nothing of it, which we own and witness, and thou who art in envy doth not love God.

11 Quaer. Whether the justice of God be not fully satisfied for all the sins of the Elect, ere Christ appear to their souls, or holi∣ness appear in their lives?

Answ. Here thou full of all subtilty art comprehended, and with the light of Christ thou art seen, and with the life judged and condemned, who would lay sin to the charge of the Elect, when the Scripture saith, Who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods Elect, It is God that justisieth, who shall condemn? The soul that sinneth shall dye: Thou sorcerer doth the Elect of God sin, shall the Elect dye, to that in thy Conscience I speak

12 Quaer. Whether the holy lives, or holy works of the Saints be not excluded from the act of Justification, from the guilt of sin?

Answ. Thou dead beast hath made it manifest, that thou art a stranger from the life of God, and is excluded from the holy life of the Saints and their works, who art querying whether this be not excluded from Justification, Oh that ever thou should o∣pen thy mouth to take upon thee to speak of the Scripture; doth not the Apostle say, 1 Pet. 1. 18. Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold, from your vain conversation, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot, who verily was ordained before the foundation of the world was, but was manifest

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in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that rai∣sed him up from the dead? Now let all people read this chapter and try thee, who knows nothing of Jesus Christ, but as thou hast heard of him crucified at Jerusalem, and so thou art unre∣deemed from thy vain conversation, and so art not justified before God, nor never shall be; but those that can witness Redemption by the blood of Christ, as all the Saints of God do, are justi∣fied, and by the same that they are justified thou art condem∣ned in the Lake for ever.

13 Quer. Whether is that righteousness, which is wrought by the Saints, every way answerable to the justice of God?

Answ. There again thy blindness is made manifest; is there any righteousness but that of Jesus Christ, and is not that every way answerable to the justice of God? but such polluted filthy beasts as thou would have another righteousness, as thou speaks plainly in thy ninth query: but all thy righteousness we deny, and the righteousness of Jesus Christ we own and witness, whose righte∣ousness shall be revealed upon thee in flames of fire.

14 Quer. Whether none be accounted righteous in Gods sight in whom there is any corruption, or failing, or who do not fulfil the Law, and answer every demand of Justice?

Answ. Here thou polluted beast hath made it manifest what thou hast been driving at all this while in thy queries, which is, that thou would have corruption and filthiness to be accounted righteous in Gods sight: that so thou might lie and wallow in thy sins and filthiness, but John saith, that he that commits sin is of the Devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning, and for this purpose the son of God was made manifest, that he might destroy the works of the Devil, and thou man of sin would have it to stand, but those that loves God keeps his Commandments, and they are not grievous, and God doth not accept any, where there is any failing, or who do not fulfil the Law, and answer every de∣mand of Justice, and he doth reserve the unjust unto the day of Judgement, to be punished, 2 Pet. 2. 9. and chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and there thou art.

15 Quer. Whether a soul be justifyed before God by the non-im∣putation of sin, and the imputation of the righteousness of the per∣son of Christ to his Faith, or by a righteousness wrought by Christ in the person justified or to be justified.

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Answ. Here stop thy mouth, thou sorcerer, which art gather∣ing up a heap of confusion, which is fit for nothing but to be turned with thee into the bottomless pit from whence it comes, wherein thou talks of imputation, and non-imputation, and of a person justified, and to be justified; thy language is of Egypt, and in the mysterie of iniquity thou speaks it, which is con∣demned into the lake of perdition by the light of Christ, and in the light thou and it are seen and comprehended; and as I told thee before, I own no righteousness but what is of Christ, and wrought by thee: which righteousness shall confound thee and all thy unrighteousness and conjuration, and the same that justifies us shall condemn thee eternally.

16 Quaer. Whether Christ be in his Saints in respect of that nature wherein he suffered at Jerusalem?

Answ. Here thou Enemy of Christ would know how the Saints enjoy Christ; here the Scripture is fulfilled in thee, The light shines in darkness, and darkness comprehends it not. When thou comes to own thy condemnation, the light in thy conscience it will let thee see thy evil deeds, it will lead thee up to Christ from whence it comes, and then thou wilt know that nature that he suffered in; but now thou art in that nature that Judas was in that betrayed him, and that they were in that crucified him.

17 Quaer. How, and after what manner Christ, who in respect of his divine nature is infinite and in all places, may be said to be in a Saint, and not in a Reprobate?

Answ. What hast thou to do to querie after the divine na∣ture, who art the natural man, that knows nothing of God, bt what thou knows naturally as a bruit beast, and knows not the things that be of God, because they are spiritually discerned; and the manner of Christs divine nature, which is infinite, is hid from thy eyes; for of that eye which thou shouldst see, that with thou art blind, and his manner of being in a Saint thou knows not, who art a Reprobate, and thou shalt find him to be thine eter∣nal condemnation.

18 Quaer. Whether doth Christ now in these dayes assume or take upon him the form of a servant and the seed of Abraham, that is our flesh: And whether doth not this assumption cause such a perfection of the Godhead and the manhood, as that both of them are united together into one person?

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Answ. Oh thou dark beast and Conjurer, who art querying with thy conjured words, that which thou knows nothing of▪ and which is out of thy reach and comprehension; Thou blas∣phemer, dost thou limit Christ to daies, in taking upon him the form of a servant, and the seed of Abraham; Is not he the same now as ever he was? And for the Union of the Godhead, and the Manhood, as thou calls it, let thy mouth be stopt, for with the God, nor none of his children, hath any union, for God hath put an utter enmity betwixt thy seed, thou Serpent, and the seed of the woman; and the perfect union with Christ we wit∣ness, who is the same to day, yesterday, and for ever; and therefore are we separate from thee and thy generation.

19. Quaer. Whether is Christ now conversant upon earth a∣mongst men, since his ascension, as he was before, and in those times wherein the Apostles lived?

Answ. In thy Queries thy speech bewrays thee, thy lan∣guage is the language of Egypt, for in it thou makes it clearly manifest, that thou knows not Christ at all, not in the least mea∣sure; for where the first Principle of truth is made manifest, it is the same that ever was, and never changes. And thou asks whether Christ be now conversant upon earth amongst men since his ascension, as he was in the Apostles time? Dost thou know what thou askes? Did he not appear to the Apostles since his ascension in the most glorious manner that ever thou read; and is he not the same now as he was then? What would thou make of him, thou dark sottish beast, such a one as thy self, who would be pleading for darkness and ignorance of God; but praise and glory to him who hath discovered thee, and all such deceivers as thou art.

20. Quaer. Whether did not Christ dwell among his Saints after another and more visible manner, than now he dwels in his Saints?

Answ. There again thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the Scripture: and for thy word Visible, he is not, nor never was visible to thee, nor to thy generation; for those that did profess the Scriptures, as thou and thy generation doth, cruci∣fied him, and said he was of the Devil; and thou, and such as thou art▪ doth now: Thou blasphemer, where hast thou a Scri∣pture that saith that Christ would dwell in his Saints after ano∣there

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manner? Did he not say, It is expedient for you that I goe away, and I go and prepare a place for you, and I will come again and receive you unto my self, and where I am, there you may be also; and ye have heard, how I have said I go away, and that where I am, there you may be also: and that I have said, I go a∣way, and come again unto you; and if ye loved me, ye would re∣joice, because I go unto the Father. And Christ Iesus faith in the 14 of John, v. 12. Verily, verily I say unto you, he that be∣lieveth on me, the work that I do, he shall do also, and greater works then these, because I go to the Father. But all these Scri∣ptures be hid from thine eyes, and thou art one of those that I∣saiah prophesied on, and that Scripture is fulfilled on thee, which saith, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardned their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts. Now blessed be the Lord that hath discovered thee, and such blind guides as thou art, so we have answered thy Queries in the eternal light and life of God, and we have given judgement upon thee and them, which thou shalt eternally wit∣ness, without roving or wandring; but thou who art out of the light, art roving, and wandring, and stumbling in darkness, who hath put forth these stumbling Queries, which we have answered lovingly and plainly, and in the Scripture language and terms, and with the eternal light and life of God, set thee in thine own place, which thou shalt eternally witness.

These are matters of great concernment, and if you refuse to an∣swer them in writing, spare your tongues, and spare your papers, for I will henceforth neither hear the one, nor read the other.

Ans. Thou saith, these are matters of great concernment; we see that that which makes thee manifest, and such as thou art, and which laies thee open to poor ignorant people, which is deceived by thee, and led into the ditch, and their souls kept in death by thee, to make this manifest is of great concernment, as these black, dark, stumbling Queries, and thy conjured words hath done, which thou hast no Scripture for, as ambiguity, efficacy, exclu∣sively, antecede, and non-imputation, assume, and assumption.

Now let all people read and consider what they do that hold such as thee up, who is shut out from God, and shut out from the Saints life and language, and art shut out of the Scriptures; though thou makes a trade of them for money, and deceives

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poor people; but thou knows nothing of the Life and Power that gave them forth: So thou art to be condemned with the Light, and with the Life that gave forth the Scripture. Let all people read Deuteronomy 18. from the nineth verse to the fifteenth, there the Priests and the Levites which was ordained of God, was to have no inheritance among the peo∣ple; but the Lord was their inheritance, and they were to have it of that which was offered up to the Lord. And this is a figure of the E∣verlasting Priesthood, which ministers out of the Everlasting Trea∣sure; and the Lord God commanded Israel, that not to do as they did, when they came into the Land, nor to go after their abominations, as you may see: But gave Israel their Land to possess, that did hearken unto such as the Lord had not sent, which was abomination to him. And the Lord saith to Israel, Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. Vers. 15. The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy Brethren like unto me, unto him shall ye hearken; and so to the end of the Chapter. He that hath an eye may see, and the Lord is the same that he was; and he will not suffer the abominations that is committed in this Land, but is discovering the abominations of it. A horrible and a filthy thing is committed, which Jeremiah cried against, Covetous men preach, Drunkards preach, Swearers preach, Liers preach, Strikers preach, and Proud men preach. O wonderful, where is your eyes, Try your Priests by the Scriptures, see if they be not found in the same Generation that all the false Prophets and the Deceivers were in, which the true Prophets of God cryed against, and discovered, and in the steps of the Scribes and Pharisees, that Christ cryed wo against; and see if they be not the Antichrists, and the Deceivers, which are entred into the world, which John speaks of, which cannot confess Christ come in the flesh, but transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, so hath not God, neither knows; but preaches for sin, and against perfection, and denies the light which enlightens every one that cometh into the world, and so keeps people in blindness and ignorance, and out of the knowledge of God, and never any that follows them, shall ever come to the knowledge of the true and living God; therefore all people see where you are, and minde the light in your Consciences, which is pure, and which testifieth against all sin; and it will let you see all your blinde guides which deceives you, to be in sin, and ignorant of God, for they deny that which should make him manifest; therefore beware what you hold up, and give over going after them; to that in your Consciences I speak, which shall wit∣ness me eternally to speak the truth, if you obey it, and shall condemn you eternally, if you disobey it.

These blinde guides that are in this Land, denies the Prophets which Moses wrote of, which is the substance of the Priesthood which was be∣fore; and here they are found in the same generation, in the Sorcery and in the Witchcraft which the Lord commanded should be put out of the Land where the children of Israel went to possess. And now the other Paper I commend to thy reading, is this.

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