Christianismus redivivus Christndom both un-christ'ned and new-christ'ned, or, that good old way of dipping and in-churching of men and women after faith and repentance professed, commonly (but not properly) called Anabaptism, vindicated ... : in five or six several systems containing a general answer ... : not onely a publick disputation for infant baptism managed by many ministers before thousands of people against this author ... : but also Mr. Baxters Scripture proofs are proved Scriptureless ... / by Samuel Fisher ...

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Christianismus redivivus Christndom both un-christ'ned and new-christ'ned, or, that good old way of dipping and in-churching of men and women after faith and repentance professed, commonly (but not properly) called Anabaptism, vindicated ... : in five or six several systems containing a general answer ... : not onely a publick disputation for infant baptism managed by many ministers before thousands of people against this author ... : but also Mr. Baxters Scripture proofs are proved Scriptureless ... / by Samuel Fisher ...
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Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665.
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London :: Printed by Henry Hills, and are to be sold by Francis Smith at his shop ...,
1655.
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Infant baptism.
Baptists -- Apologetic works.
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"Christianismus redivivus Christndom both un-christ'ned and new-christ'ned, or, that good old way of dipping and in-churching of men and women after faith and repentance professed, commonly (but not properly) called Anabaptism, vindicated ... : in five or six several systems containing a general answer ... : not onely a publick disputation for infant baptism managed by many ministers before thousands of people against this author ... : but also Mr. Baxters Scripture proofs are proved Scriptureless ... / by Samuel Fisher ..." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A39566.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 22, 2024.

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Reply.

O yes! all manner of persons that were at the Disputation at Ashford give at∣tendance, here's as pretty a prank as you shall likely see plaid by any, save a Classis of Clergy-men, and among them you may likely see the like again, viz. a tale told transversim, a thing storied out Archipodialitèr, or with heels up∣wards: and you of the Clergy that were there, you specially that fingred out this Article, heed what I say: That I who invaded the practise of the Church, for so I did, not of God but of Rome, England, Scotland, France, and Ireland, &c. in the point of Infant-sprinkling wherein they are all Romishly devoted, should come before 1000s of people, before you Mis-ministers also, professing my desires,

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and the very end of my being there to be no other then (because I was counted an Heretick for denying Infant-sprinkling) to give account, or (to speak in yur own Terms) to shew upon what grounds I did it, moving, urging, earnestly clai∣ming by the very University orders, which your selves stood strictly to tye me to, that I might have two hours, or (if not so) but one, or (if not so) but half a one, wherein to lay down upon what grounds I denied Infant-sprikling, that you the Ministers, Defendants of that way of yours might confute those grounds of mine (if you could) as that which would have tended more in my mind (as well as yours) to the satisfaction of the Auditors, then any thing else (for even all this I did that day at Ashford) and that you the Ministers should be utterly against my giving this account, and shewing my grounds, which I would so fain have shewen, rather then heard yours (for no less then this do you confess your selves, saying page 2. that before the Dispute I moved to make a position, and page 10. that after the Dispute I made a motion that you would hear me preach, that is, give account, or shw the grounds of my dissent (for so I spake, leaving you a li∣berty to take your exceptions when I had done) and that your selves onely conclu∣ded it un-necessary, yea, oppos'd it, and made three or four [frivilous] pretences a∣gainst it, for even this also you confess your selves, page 2. page 10. That you (I say) the same Ministers that did thus ponere obicem by your own confession, should yet in the same paper write thus, Namely, that I ought to have shew'd upon what grounds I denied your practise, that you might have confuted them to the satisfaction of the people, as if your selves had been very forward that I should give account, or shew my Arguments and Reasons, onely my selfe was against it, and opposed it, and that with importunity, as if I had urg'd, that at any hand I might not give account of what I did, 'tis such a cunning contradiction to your selves as I never saw penn'd by the hands of prudent men since I was born to this day; Sirs, if I should have said so much as this of my self, that I ought to have shew'd my grounds upon which I denied Infants-sprinkling, but was at that time im∣portunate with you that I might not, my own conscience, which is Mille testes, and a thousand witnesses besides, would condemn me as no ordinary self-belyar, for I profess before the Lord, and those many people that then heard me, many of which (unless willingly) cannot be ignorant hereof, I was most forward that day to give out the grounds of the way I walk in, but that your selves (not the people) were most froward against it: but the people have believ'd you so long at a ven∣ture in other cases, that though both you, and they know the truth to be contra∣ry to what you say, yet you hope they will believe you so still, but the Lord grant them to find out your forgery for the future, and to be no more guld by your ghost∣ly glosses.

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