Basiliká the works of King Charles the martyr : with a collection of declarations, treaties, and other papers concerning the differences betwixt His said Majesty and his two houses of Parliament : with the history of his life : as also of his tryal and martyrdome.

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Basiliká the works of King Charles the martyr : with a collection of declarations, treaties, and other papers concerning the differences betwixt His said Majesty and his two houses of Parliament : with the history of his life : as also of his tryal and martyrdome.
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Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649.
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1687.
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The King's Commissioners Reply. 22. February.

[ CXCVI] WE cannot express the great sadness of our hearts, that all our earnest endeavours to give your Lordships satisfaction in all particulars of this Treaty, have produced no better effects towards a blessed Peace, which his Majesty, and we who are trusted by him, do so heartily pray for; and that so many and great Offers made by us to your Lord∣ships in the particulars we have Treated upon, should not be thought a good progress on our part in the said Treaty, as we find by your Lordships last Paper (to our great grief) they are not, and therefore that this must be the last day of the Treaty. We desire your Lordships to consider, that we being intrusted by his Majesty to Treat with your Lordships for a safe and well grounded Peace, have upon the matter of your Lordships Propositions consented to so many particulars and alterations of very great importance, and that your Lordships, who were to Treat with us, have not abated one tittle of the most severe and rigorous of your Propositions, saving what you were pleased the last Night to propose in the point of Time concerning the Militia; which though it seems to be limited to seven years, in truth leaves it as unlimited as it was before in your-Propositions; for at the end of seven years, it must not be exercised otherwise than shall be settled by his Majesty and the two Houses of Parliament: so that all the Legal Power now in his Majesty is taken away, and not restored after the seven years expired. Neither is there a full consent to that limi∣tation offered by your Lordships the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland. Nor have your Lordships offered to us any prospect towards Peace, other than by submitting totally to those Propositions; the which if we should do, we should consent to such Alte∣rations as by Constructions and Consequences may dissolve the whole frame of the present Government, both Ecclesiastical and Civil, in this Kingdom. And though the particulars proposed by your Lordships have by Debate appeared not only evidently unreasonable, but, literally considered, to comprehend things to be extended to Powers not intended by your selves; yet your Lordships have not been pleased either to restrain or interpret any particu∣lar in any other manner than as is set forth in the said Propositions.

In the matter of Religion we have offered all such Alterations as we conceive may give satisfaction to any Objections that have been, or can be made against that Government, and

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have given your Lordships Reasons not onely why we cannot consent to your Lordships Propositions, but that even those Propositions, if consented to, could not be in order to a Reformation, or to the procuring the publick Peace. And we must desire your Lordships to remember, that though you do not onely in your Covenant (which you require may be taken by his Majesty, and enjoyned to be taken by all his Subjects) un∣dertake the Reformation in point of Government, but even in point of Doctrine too, thereby laying an imputation upon the Religion it self so long professed in this Kingdom, with the general approbation of all Reformed Churches; yet your Lordship, have not given us the least Argument, nor so much as intimated in your Debate the least Prejudice to the Doctrine of the Church of England, against which we presume you cannot make any colourable Objection; nor have you given us the view in particular of the Govern∣ment you desire should be submitted to in the place of that you propose to be abolish∣ed: and therefore we propose to your Lordships, if the Alterations proposed by us, do not give your Lordships satisfaction, that so great an Alteration as the total Abolition of a Government established by Law may, for the Importance of it, and any Reformation in Doctrine, for the Scandal of it, be suspended, till after the Disbanding of all Armies his Majesty may be present with the Two Houses of Parliament, and calling a National Synod, may receive such Advice both from the one and the other, as in a matter of so high concernment is necessary; and we are most confident that his Majesty will then fol∣low the Advice which shall be given him. And as any Reformation thus regularly and calmly made, must needs prove for the singular Benefit and Honour of the Kingdom; so we must appeal to your Lordships, whether the contrary, that is, an Alteration even to things though in themselves good, can by the Principles of Christian Religion be enforced upon the King or Kingdom.

In the business of the Militia, though your Lordships do not deny that the Jealousies and apprehensions of Danger are mutual, and that the chief end of depositing the Militia in the hands of certain Persons is for security against those Jealousies and possible Dan∣gers; yet your Lordships insist, That all those Persons to be entrusted shall be nominated by the Two Houses of Parliament in England, and the Estates of the Parliament in Scot∣land; and that the time for that great, general, and unheard-of Trust shall be in such man∣ner, that though it seem to be limited to seven years, yet in truth by declaring, that after those seven years it shall not be otherwise exercised than His Majesty and the Two Houses of Parliament shall agree, His Majesty may thereby be totally and for ever devested of the power of the Sword, without which He can neither defend Himself against Foreign In∣vasions nor Domestick Insurrections, nor execute His Kingly Office in the behalf of His Subjects, to whom He is sworn to give protection. And to both these your Lordships add the introducing a Neighbour-Nation, governed by distinct and different Laws (though uni∣ted under one Sovereign) to a great share in the Government of this Kingdom. In stead of consenting to these Changes, we have offered and proposed to your Lordships, That the Persons to be trusted with the Militia of the Kingdom may be nominated between us, or if that were refused, that an equal number shall be named by you, and the other number by his Majesty, and that half the Forts and places of Strength within the Kingdom, shall be in the Custody of those whom you think fit to be trusted therewith, and the other half in such hands as his Majesty pleases to commit the same to; and all persons, as well those nominated by your Lordships as by his Majesty, to take an Oath for the due discharge of the said Trust: which being considered, as the Security is mutual, so neither part can be supposed to violate the Agreement, without very evident inconvenience and danger to that part who shall so violate it, the whole Kingdom being likely, and indeed obliged to look upon whosoever shall in the least degree violate this Agreement as the Authors of all the miseries which the Kingdom shall thereby suffer. And as it is most reasonable, that, for this Security, his Majesty should part with so much of his own Power, as may make him even unable to break the Agreement which should be now made by him, and on his part; so it is most necessary that all apprehension and danger of such breach being over, that Sovereign Power of the Militia should revert into the proper Chanel, and be, as it hath always been, in his Majesties proper and peculiar Charge. And therefore we have proposed, that the time limited for that Trust should be for three years, which, by the Blessing of God, will produce a perfect understanding between his Majesty and all his People; and if there should be any thing else necessary to be done in this Argument, either for power or time, that the same be considered after the settlement of Peace in Par∣liament: but whatever is now, or hereafter shall be thought necessary to be done, we de∣sire may be so settled, that this Kingdom may depend upon it self, and not be subject to the Laws or Advice of Scotland, as we think fit that Scotland should not receive Rules or Ad∣vice from this, having offered the like for Scotland as for England.

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In the business of Ireland, your Lordships propose not onely that his Majesty disclaim and make void the Cessation made by his Royal Authority, and at the desire of the Lords, Justices and Council of that Kingdom, and for the preservation of the remainder of his poor Protestant Subjects there, who were in evident danger of Destruction, both by Fa∣mine and the Sword, but also to put the whole managery of that War, and disposal of the Forces within that Kingdom, and consequently the Government of that Kingdom, into the hands of the Scots General, to be managed by the Advice of a joynt Committee of both Kingdoms, wherein each should have a Negative Voice: In Answer to which, we have acquainted your Lordships with the just grounds of his Majesties proceedings in the business of Ireland, which we are confident, being weighed without prejudice, may satis∣fie all men of his Majesties Piety and Justice therein; and we are very ready and desirous to joyn with your Lordships in any course which may probably preserve and restore that mi∣serable Kingdom.

Having put your Lordships in mind of these particulars, as they have a general reference to the publick good of the Kingdoms, we beseech your Lordships to consider that we have this great Trust reposed in us by his Majesty, and to remember how far these Propositions trench upon his peculiar Kingly Rights, without any, or any considerable recompence or compensation.

In the business of Religion, your Lordships propose the taking away his whole Ecclesia∣stical Jurisdiction, his Donations and Temporalties of Bishopricks, his First Fruits and Tenths of Bishops, Deans and Chapters, instead whereof your Lordships do not offer to constitute the least dependance of the Clergy upon his Majesty; and for that so considera∣ble a part of his Revenue, you propose onely the Bishops Lands to be settled on his Maje∣sty, (reserving a power to dispose even those Lands as you shall think fit:) whereas all the Lands both of Bishops, Deans, and Chapters (if those Corporations must be dissolved) do undoubtedly belong to his Majesty in his own Right.

In the business of the Militia, as it is proposed, his Majesty is so totally devested of the Regal Power of the Sword, that he shall be no more able either to assist any of his Allies with aid, though men were willing to engage themselves voluntarily in that Service, or to defend his own Dominions from Rebellion or Invasion, and consequently the whole Power of Peace and War (the acknowledged and undoubted Right of the Crown) is ta∣ken from him.

In the business of Ireland, the power of nominating his Lieutenant or Deputy, and other Officers there, of managing, directing, or in the least manner of medling in that War, or of making a Peace, is proposed to be taken from him. And to add to all these attempts upon his Kingly Rights, it is proposed to bereave him of the Power of a Father, in the Education and Marriage of his own Children, and of a Master, in the rewarding his own Servants. And therefore we refer it to your Lordships, whether it be possible for us, with a good Conscience, and discharge of the Trust reposed in us, to consent to the Pro∣positions made to us by your Lordships.

Lastly, we must observe to your Lordships, that after a War of near four years, for which the Defence of the Protestant Religion, the Liberty and Property of the Sub∣ject, and the Priviledges of Parliament were made the Cause and grounds, in a Treaty of Twenty days, nor indeed in the whole Propositions upon which the Treaty should be, there hath been nothing offered to be Treated concerning the breach of any Law, or of the Liberty or Property of the Subject, or Priviledge of Parliament, but onely Propositions for the altering a Government established by Law, and for the making new Laws, by which almost all the old are, or may be cancelled; and there hath been nothing in∣sisted on of our part which was not Law, or denied by us that you have demanded as due by Law.

All these things being considered, and being much afflicted that our great hope and ex∣pectation of a Peace is for the present frustrated by your Lordships Declaration, that no more time will be allowed for this Treaty, we are earnest Suitors to your Lordships, that you will interpose with the two Houses, to whom we believe you have transmitted the An∣swers delivered by us to your Lordships upon Religion, the Militia, and Ireland, that this Treaty, though for the present discontinued, may be revived, and the whole matter of their Propositions, and those sent to them by his Majesty, which have not yet been Treated on, may be considered; and that depending that Treaty, to the end we may not Treat in Blood, there may be a Cessation of Arms, and that the poor People of this Kingdom, now exposed to Plunderings and Spoils, and other direful effects of War, may have some earnest of a blessed Peace. And because this Treaty is now expiring, if your Lordships cannot give a present Resolution, we desire when you have represented this to the two Houses, his Majesty may speedily receive their Answer.

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