The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Printed at London :: By Henry Binneman, for Humfrey Toye,
Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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Chap. 7. the seuenth Diuision.
Ansvver to the Admonition. Fol. 239. Sect. 3.

Thirdly, bycause also by experience we dayly vnderstand, that such as consent in wearing this apparell, consent also in all other points of doctrine, and kepe the peace of the church, which is one of the prin∣cipall causes of edifying: contrariwise, such as refuse the same appa∣rel, not only dissent & disagree among themselues, but fal into diuers & strange opiniōs without stay: & slander the gospel with their con∣tentiousnesse, and teare in peeces the Church of Christ with their fa∣ctions and schismes: and be the cause why both the worde of God, and Christian magistrates be almost generally contemned.

T. C. Pag. 58. Sect. 2.

The thirde reason is, that they which consent in wearing the surplices, consent also in all o∣ther poyntes of doctrine, and they that doe not weare it, do not consent, not so muche as amongst themselues. I〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 this consent in the points of religion be in the surplice, cope. &c. tell vs I beseech you, whether in the matter, or in the forme, or in what h〈1 line〉〈1 line〉dde and vnknowne qualitie standeth it? If it be n that the ministers vse all one apparell, then it is maruel〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 that this being so strong a bonde to holde them together in godlie vnitie, that it was neuer commaunded of Christe, nor practised of Prophets or Apostles, 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ether of no other re〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ormed Churches. I had thought whol∣ly, that those things whiche the Lorde oppoynteth to mayntayne and keepe vnitie with, and 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉∣specially the holie Sacramentes of Baptisme, and of the Lordes Supper, had bene strong ynough to haue fyrste of all knitte vs vnto the Lorde, and therefore also to his doctrine, and then one of vs to an other, and that the dissentings in suche a Ceremonie as a Surplice. &c. ney∣ther should nor could in those that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 vnto God, breake the vnitie of the Spirite, which is bounde with the bonde of truthe. And although there bee whyche lyke not this apparell, that thinke otherwyse than eyther theyr brethren, or than in deede they oughte to doe, yet a man may fynde greater dissent amongest those, whiche are vnyted in Surplice and Cope. &c. than there is amongest those whyche weare them not, eyther wyth them selues, or with them that weare them. For howe many there are that weare Surplices, whiche woulde bee 〈◊〉〈◊〉 to saye a Masse, than to heare a Sermon, lette all the worlde iudge. And of those that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 weare this apparell, and be otherwyse well mynded to the Gospell, are there not whiche wyl〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 weare the Surplice and not the cappe: other that will weare bothe cap end surplice, but not the tippet: and yet a thirde sorte, that will weare surplice, cappe, and tippet, but not the cop〈1 line〉〈1 line〉? It hathe bene the manner alwayes of wyse and learned men to esteeme of things by the causes, an〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 not by the euent, and that especially in matters of religion, for if they should be esteemed of the euent, who is there which wil not condemne the Israelites battel agaynst Aye, and 〈◊〉〈◊〉 a∣gaynst the Bemamites? which notwithstandyng, the cause which was Gods wil, and Gods 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉∣maundement, iustifyeth. And therfore in a word I answer, that if there be such con〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ent 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉mongst those which like well of this apparel, and such 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉arres amongst those yt like it not, as M. 〈◊〉〈◊〉

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woulde make the worlde beleeue) neyther is the w〈1 line〉〈1 line〉aryng of a surplice. &c. cause of that consent in thē, nor the not wearing, cause of that disagrement in the other. But as our knowledge and loue is vnperfect here in this world, so is our agreement and consent of iudgement vnperfect. And yet all these hard speaches of yours, or vncharitable suspicions of papisme, Anabaptisme, catharisme, do∣na〈1 line〉〈1 line〉sme. &c. wherby you do as much (as lyeth in you) to cut vs cleane of from you, shall not be able so to estrange vs or separate vs from you, but that we will by gods grace holde, whatsoeuer you holde well, and kepe that vnitie of spirit, which is the bond of truth, euen with you Master Doctor whom we s〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ppose as appeareth by this your booke, to haue set yourselfe further frō vs, than num∣bers of those, whiche althoughe they be content to receiue the apparell, and beare with things, yet would haue bene loth to haue set downe that against the sinceritie of the Gospell, and hind〈1 line〉〈1 line〉rance of reformation, which you haue bone.

Io. Whitgifte.

Such lawes & orders as kepe godly peace and vnitie in the Church do 〈◊〉〈◊〉, but the lawes for apparell kepe godly peace & vnitie in the Church, Ergo, they edifie. The M〈1 line〉〈1 line〉∣nor I proue by experience of such as are subiect to these lawes & by the euent: which is a probable kinde of reasoning, though it be not necessarie: neither may the examples of a few improue that, which is generally true almost in all.

These persons, that you talke of, which be thus contrarily mynded (if there be any such, as I thinke you do but faine) yet do they kepe the peace of the Church, they con∣demne not their brethren, neither yet the apparel that they them selues (peraduenture for some speciall cause) weare not.

Some I know there are, which agrée with vs in wearing the apparell, and ioyne with you in contention: subscribe to all our orders & articles, and yet in certaine places and companies mainteine your opinions, but of such we make no accompt, neither I thinke do you, further than they may serue your turne.

Againe I confesse that there be some which haue not receiued the apparell, and yet greatly mislike many of your opinions, and kéepe with vs the vnitie of the Churche, whom I for my part haue alwayes reuerenced, & do reuerence not onely for their sin∣gular vertue & learning, but for their modestie also. Wherfore when I speake eyther of the one or of the other, I speake not of all, but of the most part.

Certaine it is, that those things which the Lord appointeth to kepe vnitie with, and especi∣ally the sacraments ought to be the especiall bond of the same: & that nothing should sepa∣rate those, that are coupled and ioyned therein: but we sée it fall out othe〈1 line〉〈1 line〉wise, such is the crooked & rebellious nature of mā, & therfore hath God also appointed Magistrats, and giuen them a〈1 line〉〈1 line〉thoritie to make orders & lawes to mainteine the peace and vnitie of the Churche, that those which of conscience and good disposition will not, by suche lawes and orders may be constrained at the least to kéepe the externall peace and v∣nitie of the Churche. Doe you take this to be a good reason: The Sacrament〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 are bond〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 to kepe and mainteyne the v〈1 line〉〈1 line〉itie of the spirite, therefore there 〈◊〉〈◊〉 no lawes or Magi∣strates* 1.1 to prouide for the externall peace and quietnesse of the Churche? your imagi∣nation throughoute your whole booke is of suche a perfection in men, as thoughe they néeded no lawes or Magistrates to gouerne them, but that euery man mighte be as it were a lawe to himselfe, whiche wherevnto it tendeth may easily be coniec∣tured.

I haue not set downe any thing (I trust) to the hinderance of the Gospell, or of reformation▪ but I séeke to reforme such contentious spirites as be enimyes vnto both. And I be∣léeue that when some other (not onely such as you meane, but such as you least thinke of) shall vnderstande the depth of your opinions, together with the strangenesse, vn∣truth, da〈1 line〉〈1 line〉gerousnesse & other circumstances ioyned with them, they will thinke that I haue spoken or written nothing eyther vntruely, or vnnecessarily. In the meane tyme I discharge my conscience and duetie, and so will doe (God willing) as long as I can either speake or write.

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