The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

Diuers things concerning apparell in other places of the Ansvvere.

Chap. 6. the fyrst Diuision.

Admonition.

Nowe, we muste haue Surplisses deuised by Pope Adrian.

Ansvvere to the Admonition. Pag. 105. Sect. 1. 2.

THe impurities you fynde in the administration of Baptisme bee these, Surplis. &c. Touching the Surplis, and suche lyke apparell, I haue spoken before sufficiently: the fyrste inuentor of it (whyche you say to be Pope Adrian) dot he make it neyther better nor woorse, and yet it was vsed long before Adrians tyme, neyther can you proue hym to be the fyrst inuentor thereof. It is certayne that such kynde of vesture hath bene vsed in the ministration of the Sacra∣mentes, long before any corruption of doctrine tooke place in the Churche, as it appeareth both by Hierome in his fyrst booke Aduer∣sus* 1.1 Pelagi. where he maketh manifeste mention of a whyte garmente vsed in the Administration of Sacrifice by the Byshoppe, Prieste, and Deacon. And also Chrysostome Hom. 6. to the people of Anti∣oche, who speaketh of the lyke garmente worne in the Churche. Those that answered the examiner, do but chyldishly cauill at these two places, whyche in deede bee playne of themselues and euident, and so is that of Hieromes also vpon the. 44. of Ezechiell. The reli∣gion of God hath one habite in the ministration, and an other in cōmon vse and lyfe. Reade the place considerately, and it shall easyly ap∣peare, that Hierome meaneth as well of Christian Ministers, as of Iewishe Priestes.

But of the vse of this and other apparel prescribed in this Church to be worne by ministers, I haue spoken partly before, and am ready to speake more as occasion shall be offered. In the meane tyme the Surplis is not of the substance of Baptisme, neyther required as necessarie to the Administration therof, but as comely and decent.

T. C. Page. 57. Sect. 1.

In the. 105. page M. Doctour to proue the vse of the Surplice, to drawe out his booke into some competent volume, borroweth certayne places of the examiner, for answere where∣vnto, I will referre the reader to that whiche is answered vnto the examination, as to a full and sufficient answere, wherein I will reste, and when M. Doctor hathe proued that, whiche he sayeth, that it is but a chyldish cauill, he shall then heare further.

In the meane season it is but a slender replie to so learned an answere (that proueth bothe out of other authours, and out of those same whiche the examiner citeth, that by a white gar∣mente is mente a comely apparell, and not slouenly) to saye it is but a chyldish cauill, whych a D. of Diumitie and of fortie yeares of age can not answere. The place of Hierome vppon the 44. of Ezechiell, the more it bee consydered, the more shall appeare the truthe of the An∣swere.

Io. Whitgifte.

You haue not answered one worde of this, but only shifted it of: I purpose not* 1.2 at this tyme to vnrippe the answere to the Examiner, except you had taken the paines to set it downe. Both the places of Hierome are to be séene: in the one he sheweth, that in the administration of the Sacramentes, the Bishoppe, Prieste, and Deacon didde weare a white vesture: And in the other he sayeth, that the Religion of GOD hathe one habite in the ministration, and an other in the common vse and lyfe. Ioyne these two places together, and sée whether the woords of Hierome be manyfest or no. And that it may euidently appeare, that at this tyme wherein Hierome lyued, the maner was to weare white garments in the tyme of diuine seruice and Administra∣tion of Sacramentes, I will recite the wordes of the fourthe Councell of Carthage, at the which there were present. 214. Bishops among whome was S. Augustine: Diaconus tempore oblationis tantùm vellectionis, alba induatur: Let the Deacon weare a whyte* 1.3 vesture, only in the tyme of the oblation and reading. Canone. 41. And this may be a suf∣ficient confutation to what soeuer is spoken of these places of Hierome in the an∣swere to the Examiner.

Chap. 6. the second Diuision.

Admonition.

And as for the apparell, though we haue ben long borne in hande, and yet are, that it is for or∣der and decencie commaunded, yet we knowe and haue proued that there is neither order nor com∣〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ynesse, nor obedience in vsyng it. There is no order in it but confusion, no comlynesse, but deformi∣tie: no obedience, but disobedience both against God and the Prince.

Ansvvere to the Admonition. Pag. 236. the last lyne but one, & Pag. 237. Sect. 1.

TO all this also I haue answered before, I meane to all the rea∣sons here alleadged, as for bare wordes, they preuayle with none, but suche as haue respecte to the persons, & not to the matter. And therfore I omit these wordes of pleasure, which you vse, when you saye, that in this apparell there is no order but confusion, no comelynesse, but de∣formitie: no obedience but disobedience, both against God and the Prince.

It is not euery priuate mannes parte to define what is order and comlynesse in externall matters being indifferente, but is proper to* 1.4 them only, to whom God hath committed the gouernmente of hys church, whose orders and lawes (not beeing against the woorde of God) whosoeuer doth disobey, disobeyeth both God and the Prince: as you do in disobeying the Princes lawes in these matters.

Io. Whitgifte.

Nothing is sayd to this, although some part of it necessarily requireth an answer.

Chap. 6. the third Diuision.

Admonition.

We maruell that they coulde espie in the laste synode, that a gray Amyse, whiche is but a gar∣ment of dignitie, should be a garment (as they say) defyled with superstition, and yet that copes, caps, surplesses, tippets, and suche lyke baggage, the preaching signes of Popishe priesthoode, the Popes creatures, kepte in the same forme to this ende, to bring dignitie and reuerence to the mi∣nisters and sacraments, should be reteyned still, and not abolished.

Answere to the Admonition Pag. 237. Sect. 2.

It is well that you seeme to iustifye the gray Amyse, bycause the Bishops haue disalowed of it in theyr Synode, Truly this is your consci∣ence and religion, to be always ad oppositum, & to disalow that, which law & authoritie alloweth, and allow that, which they disalow. The

nexte waye (as I thinke) to driue you vnto conformitie in apparell were to make a streight law, that no man should weare such kind of apparell: bycause you loue to be contrary to lawes and good orders.

T. C. Page. 57. Sect 3. 4. 5.

Now I will desire the reader to turne vnto the. 237. 238. 239. 240. 242. pages, to see whe∣ther at this third voyage master Doctor bringeth any better marchandise. Where first he surmi∣seth an vntruth, as though the Admonition misliked of the taking away of the gray Amis, where it saith only, that there was lesse cause to take that away, than the surplis. &c. Wherein there is no∣thing but the truth sayd; for bycause that was vsed in fewe churches, and but of fewe also in those few churches: Therefore if there were cause to take away that, there was greater to take away the surplis. And to take away the Amis out of the Church, and leaue the surplis. &c. is to heale a scratch and leaue a wound vnhealed.

Now whereas you say, that we are always (Ad appositum) and that if the lawe commaunded straightly, that we should weare none of this apparel that then we would weare: if it should be an∣swered againe that you do (*) 1.5 Seruire scenae: that is, that you are a time seruer, you see we mighte speake with more likelyhoode than you. But we will not take (as you do) the iudgemente of God out of his hands, but will attend paciently the reuelation and discouering of that, whiche is nowe hidde both in you and vs.

And although you will graunt vs neyther learning nor conscience, yet you might afford vs so much witte as that we would not willingly, and of purpose want those commodities 〈◊〉〈◊〉, which we might otherwise enioy as well as you, if we had that gift of conformitie which you haue.

Io. Whitgifte.

The wordes of the Admonition touching the gray Amise be these: we maruayle that they could espie in their last synode, that a gray Amis, which is but a garmēt of dignitie, should be a garment (as they say) defiled with superstitiō, and yet that coapes. &c. Do they not say that the Amis is but a garment of dignitie. &c? consider their words well, and you shall sée that master Doctor hath said truly.

The gray Amis was iustly taken away, bycause the vse of it is not established by any law of this realme, as the vse of other vestures be: and in mine opinion the By∣shops deserued commendation in so doing: for thereby they declared, that they will not suffer any rites or ornaments to be vsed in this Church, but suche only as are by publike authoritie established.

Experience hathe taught me that diuerse men be of that nature, that they haue a* 1.6 delight in opposing themselues to the present estate, and I sée it by proofe to be a great fault in diuers of you.

I haue hitherto serued as few contrary times, as you haue done: as for the gift of con∣formitie, which you say I haue, I thanke God for it, I haue learned to conforme my selfe to the time in that sense, that S. Paule hath willed me so to do. Rom. 12. and to* 1.7 lawes also and magistrates, as I am likewise commauuded in the. 13. Chapter of the same epistle.

What commodities you want, that I haue, I cannot coniecture: your meate and drinke is prouided with lesse trouble and charges vnto you, and in more delicate and deintie manner, than mine is: your ease and pleasure ten times more, you do what you list, go when you list, come when you list, speake when you list at your pleasure. What would you haue more? I know not why you should complaine, except you be of the same disposition with the Franciscane Friers, who when they hadde filled their bellies at other mens tables, were wont to cry out and say: O quanta patimur. &c. Some men are delited to be fed at other mens tables, and preferre popular fame be∣for Gold and siluer.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Whyte gar∣mente vsed in the ministra∣tion.
• * 1.2

  A whyte gar∣mente in the ministration vsed in Hie∣romes tyme. Hiero. lib. 1. aduers. Pelagi. l〈1 line〉〈1 line〉. 44. Ezecb.
• * 1.3

  Con. Carth. 4. Can. 41.
• * 1.4

  Disobedience to the prince in ciuill mat∣ters, is diso∣bedience to God.
• (*) 1.5

  I 〈◊〉〈◊〉 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉∣as few times as you.
• * 1.6

  Some men delight to be contrary to times.
• * 1.7

  Rom. 12. Rom. 13.