A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

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A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
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1624.
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Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 24, 2024.

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One errour begets another. It was formerly said, that Com∣munion in both kinds was vsed by the Fathers, as a matter of custome onely, and not because of precept: now it is added, [ E] that this was done only because of the errour of the Manichees. I answere, First, before euer the Manichees appeared in any number a, Communion in both kinds was in practise, as ap∣peareth by the Apostles, and by Ignatius, Dionysius, Iustin

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Martyr, Ireneus, Tertullian, 〈◊◊〉〈◊◊〉, and Saint Cy∣prian a. [ A]

Secondly, although Pope 〈◊〉〈◊〉 b in his Sermon speaketh of the Manichees, yet Vasques c the Iesuit saith, That he com∣manded not the vse of the Cup; because of them, but requi∣red that these Heretickes which feigned themselues Ca∣tholickes, and came to the holy Communion, receiuing the Bread, and taking the Cup into their hands, pretending that they drunke the Wine, and yet did not, should carefully be obserued.

Thirdly, touching the place of Pope Gelasius d, the same Au∣thor saith e, That whereas some of his part applie the same to the Manichees, yet this exposition agreeth not with the last branch of the Canon; for therein Gelasius teacheth that the [ C] mysterie of the Eucharist is of that nature in regard of it selfe, that without grieuous sacriledge it cannot be diuided and se∣uered the one part from the other, to wit, because of the insti∣tution and signification. Thus our Aduersarie is confuted, touching Pope Leo and Gelasius, by a most intelligent and lear∣ned Doctour of his owne societie.

Notes

  • a

    Prateol. d. Haer. li. 11. Manichaei à manete quodam, &c. dicti sunt qui circa annum 273, &c.

  • a

    Floruit (Cypri∣anus) an. 250. Bell. d. Scriptor.

  • b

    Lev, Serm. 4. d. Quadrag. Cum ad tegendum infi∣delitatem suā no∣stris audent inter∣esse mysterijs, ità in Sacramentorū Communione se temperāt, vt inter∣dum tutius lateāt, ore indigno Chri∣sti corpus accipi∣unt, [ B] sanguinem autem redemptionis nostrae, haurire omnino declinant. Quod ideò vestram 〈◊◊◊〉〈◊◊◊〉, vt vobis huiusmodi homines, & his manifestentur 〈◊〉〈◊〉, & quorum 〈◊〉〈◊〉. fuerit 〈◊◊〉〈◊◊〉 notati & 〈◊〉〈◊〉 à Sanctorum societate 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Sacerdotali authoritate.

  • c

    Vasques. in 3. disp. 216. cap. 4. nu. 42. Ego existimo nequè proptèr Manicheorum, Haeresin, commendatum fuisse ab Apostolis, aut à Leone primo vsum Calicis, &c. Leo non commendauit vsum Calicis contrà Manichaeos, fed admonuit vt diligentèr obseruarent quosdam Manichaeos, qui vt se Catholicos simularent, ità sumebant Calicem, vt sanguinem non haurirent in altera specie.

  • d

    Gratian. d. Consecrat. Dist. 2. cap. Comperimus autem, quod qui∣dem sumpta tan∣tummodo corpo∣ris sacri portione à Calice sacti cruo∣ris abstineant. Qui proculdubio (nes∣cio qua superstiti∣one dicuntur a∣stringi) aut inte∣gra Sacramenta percipiant aut ab integris arceantur, quià diuisio vnius, eiusdemquè mysterij sine grandi sacrilegio, non potest prouenire.

  • e

    Vasques Disp. 216. cap. 6. nu. 76. Quidam probabilitèr explicant de Laicis Manichaeis, qui communi∣cabant sub altera specie tantum, &c. Verum haec explicatio, licet reliquis verbis 〈◊〉〈◊〉 accommodari possit, extremis tamèn quibus causam reddit, non potest conuenire. Ill is enim denotat, tale esse my sterium secun∣dum [ D] se, vt sine grandi sacrilegio diuidi nequeat, nempè intelligere 〈◊〉〈◊〉 ratione suae significationis & institutionis.

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