A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

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Title: A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
Author: White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
Publication: London :: Printed by Adam Islip,; 1624.
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Subject terms: Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.; Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.; Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Cite this Item: "A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 16, 2024.

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The true Catholicke Church (which the Roman is not) maketh no Prayer meritorious in condignitie: for what can be imagined more absurd, than to maintaine that beggers doe me∣rit, by crauing, and receiuing almes? And the number of Pa∣ter [ D] Nosters, Aues, and Creeds, which moderne Romists pre∣scribe, is a nouell Inuention, and was of small esteeme vntill the dayes of Friar Dominicus a.

It was expected, that the Iesuit would haue confirmed his Romish deuotion, by the Testimonie of antiquitie, and by the practise of Apostolicall Churches, in the best ages thereof: But in place hereof hee reciteth onely, what the practise of the moderne Romists is, in repeating Pater Nosters, Aues, and [ E] 〈◊〉〈◊〉, to the number of three, fiue, and thirtie three, sixtie three, seuentie two, &c. But these deuices are voluntarie, and grounded vpon vncertaine causes: for what connexion is there betweene the Antecedent, to wit, the fiue wounds of Christ,

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and sixtie three, or seuentie two yeeres of the blessed Virgins [ A] Temporall life, and the deuotion inferred and proportioned? because Christ had fiue wounds, and the Virgin Marie liued seuentie two yeeres in the world, therefore it is a seruice plea∣sing God, and such a meanes to honour the blessed Virgin, as God accepteth for satisfaction, merit, and impetration.

There appeareth small difference betweene the former practise, and that which some Romane Casuists censure as su∣perstitious, to wit, to place vertue, and to ascribe effects, to the precise number of words a and syllables, when the same is not appointed by God. [ B]

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Suar. d. Orat. lib. 3. cap. 9. n. 12. Mulci credunt incaepisse à B. Dominico, per diuinam Reuelationem (quod est pium & probabile, & non pa∣rum antiquum, &c.

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〈◊〉〈◊〉. En∣chir. cap. 11. n. 24. Superfluus cultus est, &c. audiendi sacrum à Presbytero qui vocatur Iohannes, vel dicendi bis Halleluja, vel Pater noster, &c. quando semel tantum dicendum est.

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