A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie.

The .8. Chapter. Of the Sonnes of Theodosius, Honorius and Archadius.

Stapleton.

NOwe folowe in rew Theodosius his sonnes: Archa∣dius and Honorius, of whome M. Horne sayeth he wil say but litle, belike, because he hath said to much of theyre father alredye, and more then he can iustifie, or for that he wil make vs a shorte tale, but yet a sweete. And wherein it shal most manifestly appere, that the supreame go∣uernement in causes ecclesiastical belonged to the Emperours. Al Archadius doings here stande in appointinge S. Iohn Chrysostome to be bishop of Constantinople, a most wor∣thie man who dowbteth? And I woulde to God as this his firste dealing with Chrysostome was to his worthy prayse: so he had not by his after dealinge blotted and blemished the same.

As for this election, first Archadius did it not of his own Supreme authoritie, but the fame of Iohn Chrysostom be∣ing great, and after some debate aboute the election, Intra modicū tēpus cōmuni decreto omniū clericorū, & laicorū Impe∣rator Archadius euocauit eum. Within a litle while (saieth Socrates) by the common decree and agreement of all the Clergy and of al the lay, the Emperour Archadius sent for him from Antioche to Constantinople, and so by the com∣mon decree of al estates (as the order of electiō then was) he was elected bishop, not by the Emperours supreme and absolute Authoryty, as M. Horne fancyeth. Thē Theodoret though he tel not so much, yet dothe he not attribute the matter to the Emperour: as a parte of his gouuernement. Which that it might some waies appere, M. Horn thought good to spyce a litle the text with the powder of his false translation, that yet so it might somewhat relys in the Rea¦ders cōceit for his surmised primacy. For Theodoret saieth not, that in this dooing, the Emperour declared what careful

endeuour he had aboute the holy Churche matters, but 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, the care that he had about Gods or godly mat∣ters. Which care is commendable as in all men, so in prin∣ces especially, for the greater good they are able to doe. But such care of Gods matters emporteth no gouuerne∣ment in such matters. As neither the care of Churche mat¦ters importeth iurisdictiō: Though yet that soundeth nea∣rer to iurisdiction then the care and zeale about godly ma∣ters. And therefore M. Horne thought good with this li∣tle poore helpe of false translation, a little to itche forward his miserale and barraine cause. And that we shoulde the more fauourably winck at his liegerdemain, he phraseth it, the holy Church matters. Speaking very holily and reuerent∣ly, that we might not suspect him of forgery. Whereas in the original text of his author, there is no worde, of ey∣ther Church▪ or holy Church. Last of all, though we graun∣ted him (which we neither will nor may, considering the whole story, as Socrates describeth it) that Archadius him selfe appointed Iohn Chrysostom to be Bishop, yet maketh it not any iote to proue any Supremacie in him, eyther in al, or in any cause ecclesiastical. Vnlesse we wil haue euery laie patrō that presēteth his Priest to a benefice, to be suprē heade also: or measure the matter by the greatenesse and weight of the patrimony and liuing, and not by the weight of reason. But now M. Horne, in an il time for your self, ād for your supremacy, haue ye here put me in remēbrance of this Archadius, and S. Iohn Chrysostom. Yf you would pur∣posely haue sought a meane to haue geuē your self a greate and a shameful fall, that all that beholde you, mighte laughe you al to skorne: ye could not haue foūd lightly any where els a better occasion. For this Archadius being Emperour

of the East, as Honorius was in the West, was excōmuni∣cated of Pope Innocētius for banishing of the said S. Chry∣sostom being most wrongfully deposed by his enemies, by the procurement of Archadius his wife. Now Syr I besech you tel me who is supreme head, the Emperour, or he that excōmunicateth th'Emperor, especially being vnder an o∣ther Patriarche and residēt so far of, as Cōstantinople is frō Rome? The next narration seing it toucheth nothing, but matters of election, requireth no great answere: namely se∣ing M. Horne him self, hath made a sufficiēt answer against him self. For if th'Emperour made a law touching th'electiō of Popes, at the Popes own desire, belike here was no great Supremacy: euē no more then the Pope was cōtent either to geue hī, or to suffer at his hand. Neither the banishing of both Popes frō Rome, especially in a schism, as this was, by M. Horne here specified, causeth any spirituall iurisdiction, the matter it selfe being mere temporall, as the matter of the election being (in this case) only begunne, not brought to perfection. Beside this, here is no presidente of our elections in England. For here is both the Emperors, the Clergyes, and the peoples consente in the Bishoppelye e∣lection.

I woulde nowe passe ouer to the next matter, sauing M. Horne here commeth in with his Glosatour and Glosar after such a cunninge sorte, lawlike, and gloselike, that it woulde not be to hastely lepte ouer. Firste he alleageth the Glosatour, as he calleth him, and that I am assured, is meante, and so to be proued of him that is the common expositour of the Canon Lawe, as appeareth by Maister Hornes owne allegations. But that he bringeth out of his Glosar, I am assured, is not to be founde in him that he

calleth Glosatour. And so haue we an other extraordinary glose by M. Horne now first authorised. But perchance ye wil meruaile, good Reader, especially ye that are exercised and trauailed in the Canon Law, that M. Horne shuld haue so deape and rare knowledge in the gloses of the Canon law, that perchāce this question might appose the best Do∣ctor in the arches, onles it wer M. D. Ackworth M. Horns sōne in law, who perchāce by his fathers speciall cōmision, though perhaps M. Horne neuer read the glosar him selfe, hath authorised vs a new glosar. And now me thīketh your eares itch to heare what glosar this shuld be. It had ben wel don for M. Horne to haue eased his Reader and me to in so doutful a mater. But seing we haue foūd him out at the lēgth out he shall, and al the world shall now know him, and shall know M. Horne much the better by and for him. Therfore to be short, it is Carolus Moline{us} a frenchman, whose glose is as far as I can yet learn, scarse seuen yeres old, or therabout, scarsely past his infancy, and woulde hardly be allowed to speake, onlesse M. Horn had bisshopped it. Wherfore I see no cause, but that I may according to my manner, score vp this to. But yet if M. Horne will needes haue him a Glo∣sar (with the which perchaunce I will not greatly sticke, especially in that sence, as merely we call a Glosar in our tongue, that is a vaine lyer) and thinke he may truely so call him, I will not muche contende with him. For if he skape scoring vppe for calling him Glosar here, surely he shall by no meanes skape for calling him the Popes Glo∣sar the tenth lyne immediatlye following. For Molline∣us is so the Popes Glosar, that he loueth the Pope, and al∣loweth his authoritie, euen as well as M. Horne him self: as appereth as wel by his notes adioyned to the olde inter∣pretour

of the Canon law, new and fresh set out, as by his other workes extant in print, condemned among other in∣hibited bookes by the late General Councel. And whoe would haue thought that M. Horne had such wise, wilie, wittie, fresh fetches? I perceiue a ragged Colte may yet proue a good Horse.

M. Horne. The .43. Diuision. pag. 28. b.

Sabellicus speakinge of the contentious entraunce of Damasus the first into the Papacy, vvhiche vvas not vvithout great bloudshed, as Vola∣teranus saith, dothe note the ambition of the Prelates, to be the cause of suche cōtention about their atteininge of such roumes. For now (saieth he) the ambicious desire of honour, had by litle and litle, begon to entre into the mindes of the Bishopes. The vvhiche vvas proued ouer true, not onely in the elections of the Bishoppes of old Rome, but also in many Bishoppes of other Cities, especially of nevve Rome. These diseases in the Churche ministers, and the disorders thereout springyng: the Emperours from time to time studied to cure and refourme: vvherefore Theodosius and Valentinianus vvhen they savve, the great hoouing and shoouinge at Constantinople, about the election of a Bishop after the death of Sisinius some speakinge to preferre Philippus, other some Proclus, both being mi∣nisters of that Churche, did prouide a remedy for this michiefe, to vvitte, they them selues (.123.) made a decree, that none of that Church should be Bishop there, but some straunger from an other Churche, and so the Emperours sent to Antioche for Nestorius, vvho as yet vvas thought both for his doctrine and life, to be a sitte pastor for the flocke, and made him Bishop of Constan∣tinople.

Stapleton.

This man is nowe againe in hande with the Emperours ordinance concerning the election of the Bishop of Con∣stantinople: but by the way, or being as he is in dede, al out of his waye and matter to, he towcheth what slaughter there was at Rome, when Damasus was made Pope, and so rūneth backe agayne out of the way, and out of his mat∣ter:

which he might ful wel haue let alone, sauing that he would shewe his great familiaritie and affinitie with Iulian the Pelagian. Who for lacke of good matter to iustify his own, and to infringe the Catholik doctrine, fel to controlle the Catholikes for their manners, and namely for this dis∣sention at the creation of Damasus. Of which cotentiō, Sa∣bellicus, saith M. Horne, speaketh: and Volaterranus sayeth it was not without much bloudshed. As though Sabellicus said not also, that the matter was tried with strokes. But where to finde or seke it in either of them, M. Horne lea∣ueth vs to the wide worlde. But what is this, M. Horne, a∣gainst Damasus Primacie, who was also a true and a good godly learned Bishop: whom S. Hierome for all this con¦tention, recognised as head of the Churche, and as greate a Clerke as he was, yet being in doubte by reason of diuerse sectes about Antiochia in Syria, with what persons to com∣municate, moste humbly requireth of him to knowe, with whom he should communicate, and with whom he should not communicate?

What is then your argumēt, M. Horne? Is it this? Da∣masus entred into the See of Rome by force and bloudshed: Ergo, the Emperour at that time was Supreme gouernour in all causes Ecclesiasticall. Verely either this is your ar∣gumēt, or els you make here none at al: but only tel forth a story to no purpose, except it be to deface the holy Aposto¦lik See of Rome, which in dede serueth euer your purpose both in bookes and in pulpitts. What so euer it be you haue in hand beside, the Pope may not be forgotten.

Now that you tel vs of a decree made (by th'Emperours Theodosius and Valentinianus) that none of the Churche of Constantinople should be Bysshop there, but some straunger frō

an other Churche, you tell vs a mere vntruth: Your alleaged Authors Socrates and Liberatus speake no one woorde of any such Decree. The words of Liberatus (who translated in maner the wordes of Socrates) are these: Sisinius being departed, it semed good to the Emperours, to appoint none of the Church of Constantinople to be bisshop there, but to send for som straunger from Antioch in Syria (from whence they had a little before Iohn Chrysostome) and to make him Bisshop. And this worde for worde hath also Socrates, but he addeth more: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. Because of the vaine triflers and busy heades that were of that Churche. Of any Decree that the Emperor should make, none of them both doe mention. But at that time only the case then in Con∣stantinople so standing, and their luck before being so good in Iohn Chrysostom, who from a stranger became their bi∣shop, it pleased the Emperours so to doe. And al this they did by way of prouision for the Church quiet, not by waye of absolute authority or any forceable Decree, as M. Horn fableth and ouer reacheth his Authors.

M. Horne. The .44. Diuision. pag. 28. b.

As Constantinus and Theodosius the elder, euen so Theodosius the seconde a very (.124.) godly Emperour, hauing and practising the (.125.) supreme gouernment in Ecclesiasticall causes, seeinge the horrible Heresies spronge vp and deuidinge the Church, but specially by Nestorius, did (126) by his authoritie cal the thirde general councel at Ephesus, named the first Ephesine councel, geuinge streight (.127.) commaundement to al Bishops vvheresoeuer, that they shoulde not faile to appeare at the time appointed, and further vsed the same povver and authoritie, in the ordering and gouer∣ninge thereof by his (.128.) Lieutenaūt Ioannes Comes Sacrensis, that other Godly Emperours had beene accustomed to vse before him▪ accordinge to the cōtinual practise of the Churche, as it is plainely set foorth in the booke of general Councelles.

In this councel there happened so greuous contention betvvixt Cyrillus

Bishop of Alexandria, and Iohn Bishop of Antioche, both beyng other∣vvise godly and learned mē, that the councel vvas diuided thereby into tvvo partes: the occasion of this Schisme vvas partely, that Cyrillus and cer∣taine other vvith him had proceeded to the cōdemnation of Nestorius, be¦fore that Ioānes vvith his cōpany could com, ād partly for that Ioānes of Antioch suspected Cyrillus of certain Heresies, misdeeming that Ciril had made the more haste to confirme them before his comminge. He therefore vvith his associates complaineth, and laieth to Cyrilles chardge, that he did not tary according to the commaundement of the Emperour for the com∣ming of the Bisshops of other Prouinces, vvhich vvere called thither frō all partes, by the cōmaundement of the Emperour: That vvhan the noble Earle Candidianus commaunded him by vvriting, and vvithout vvriting, that he should presume no suche matter, but that he and those that vvere vvith him, should abide the comming of the other Bishops, neuer thelesse he pro∣ceeded: that he and his company vvere the authours of dissension and discord in the Church▪ and that they had geuē the occasion, that the rules of the Fa¦thers, and the decrees of the Emperours vvere broken▪ and trodē vnder foote: vvherefore they iudge Cyrill of Alexādria, vvith Memnō bisshop of E∣phesus, to be deposed frō their bisshopriks, and Ecclesiastical ministery: and the other their associates to be excōmunicate. The vvhich their doinges they signifie to the Emperour Theodosius by their Synodical letters, to vnder∣stande his pleasure, in (.129.) allovving or disallovvyng of their Synodicall actes. After this came the bishop of Romes legates, before vvhome in the coū∣cel Cyrillus and Memnō offered vp their libelles, deposing a contestation againste Iohn and his party to haue them cited, and render the cause of their deposition. The bisshoppe of Romes legates, vvith the consent of the councell, on that parte, sendeth for Ioannes and his parties, vvho returneth this an∣svveare: Neither sende you to vs, nor wee to you, bicause wee looke for an answeare from the Prince touching you. Ther¦fore saith Liberatus: Cyril and Memnon, seeking to reuenge thē selues, did condemne Iohn and all those that stood with him, who suffered manye displeasures at Ephesus thoroughe the pride of these twaine. The Emperoure sendeth to the vvhole Councell his ansvveare in vvritinge, on this sorte: VVee allowe the condemnation of Nestorius, Cyrillus, and Memnon: the

other actes and condemnations, whiche you haue made, we disallowe, obseruinge the Christian faithe, and vprightnesse which we haue receiued of our fathers ād progenitours. etc. Certain of the Bishops did satisfie the Emperour (.130.) whō he commaūded to enter into the Church, and to ordeine an other Bishop for Constantinople in the place of Nestorius. These things thus done, the Emperour dissolued the Coūcel, and cōmaunded the Bishops to depart euery man to his own coūtrie. VVithin a while after, the Emperour perceiuing the dissension betwixte Cyrill and Iohn to continue, whiche he thought was not to be suffered: called Maximianus, and ma∣ny other Bishoppes that were then at Constantinople, with whome he cōsulted, how this schism of the Churches might be taken away. VVhose aduise had, the Emperour sent a noble man, Aristolaus vvith his letters to Cyrill and Iohn, commaunding thē to come to an agreement and vnitie betvvixte them selues, othervvise he vvoulde (.131.) depose and banish them both. VVherevpon follovved a reconciliation betvvene the tvvo bisshops, and much quietnes to the Churches.

Notes

• The ele∣ction of S. Iohn Chrysosto¦me by Ar¦chadius maketh him no su¦preame head.

  Tripart. lib. 10. c. 3. Socrates. lib. 6. c. 2.
• Theod. li. 5. c. 27
• 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉.

  Circa res diuinas.
• M. Hornes primacy ouerthro∣vven by his ovvn example. Gorgius Alexand. in vita Io. Chrysost.
• Archadi∣us th Em∣peroure excōmu∣nicated by the Pope.
• A nevve glose of the Canō law, now firste au∣thorised by M. Horne.
• Vide editi∣onem iuris canonici in. 4, Lug∣duni cum glos. 1559.
• Liberat. cap. 4. Socr. lib. 7. cap 29.
• The 123. vntruthe. No such decree ap∣pereth: neither in Liberatus nor in So¦crates.
• M. Horne foloweth Iulian the Pelagian. Aug. lib. c cō. Iulian. De consti∣tuendo Episcopo dissensionē populi Ro∣mani in∣sultabūdus obiectas. Volat. Ant lib. 22. pag. 499. multi mor¦tales ex vtraque parte in∣terfecti. Sabel. en∣nead. 9. li. 9. Vi & armis cer∣tatū, com∣petitore su¦perato. et c Ad Dam. Damasus Primacy recogni∣sed by S. Hierom
• Liberatus cap. 4. in Breuiario. Socrates li 7 ca. 29 Niceph. li. 14. c. 34 35.
• The 124 Vntruth Theodos. in these doings by you allea∣ged, vvas vngodly
• The 125 vntruthe. Vtterlie vnpro∣ued
• The .126. Vntruth. For not by his au∣thoritie.
• The 127. Vntruth. He gaue no suche Cōmaun∣dement.
• The .128. Vntruth The Coū¦cell resi∣sted and refused the orde∣ring of this Lieutenāt Iohn. Cyril. ep. 22. Tō 4. Liberat. cap. 6. All this vvas a leude fact vvhiche neuer cā to effect, ād vvher∣of they al repented after, yet M. Horne buildeth vpon it.
• The 129. vntruth. The story hathe no suche vvoords.
• So did alvvaies Schisma∣tiks, such as these vvere.
• Liberat. cap. 8.
• The .130. vntruth. These vvordes nipped of in the middle. Bicause the greate and gene∣ral coun∣cel doing all things regularly, hath con∣demned Nestorius. By vhich appereth, the Coū∣cel gaue sentence ouer the Heretik, not them¦perour.
• The .131. vntruth, the word depose, is not in Liberat{us}.