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AMong all other Popes M. Horne, you could not al∣leage any worse to your purpose,* 1.1 then this Gregorie the .5. For if we shall beleue Platina, Sabellicus, Vola∣terane, Carion and the other cōmon writers: it is this Gre∣gorie that instituted the .7. Electours in Germanie, and the whole order and direction, with his Othe also, to the Pope.
As touching Arnulphus the Bishop of Rhemes depo∣sed by a Councel there called (as you say) by Hugh Ca∣pet the French King, and Gilbert put in his place,* 1.2 it is true you saie: but you tell not all. For afterwardes (as Nau∣clerus reporteth) because Arnulphus coulde not be depo∣sed, without the authoritie of the bisshop of Rome, M. Gil∣bert was deposed againe, and Arnulphus restored. Where∣vpon Gilbert fled to Otho, and was in a certaine time after made Bisshop of Rauēna. This is the whole story M. Horn, and this declareth the Popes authoritie, aboue youre Su∣preme Gouernour, Hugh Capet the French King.* 1.3
Where you adde, that King Robert sonne to Hugh Ca∣pet, was a diligent labourer about Diuine or Church matters, if you had told forth, wherin, as your Author doth, saying: Composuit enim multas prosas & hymnos. For he made manie proses and hymnes, to be song in the Churche, your tale had bene to small purpose: excepte to make songs for the Church, do proue a man Supreme Gouernour in al Church causes or things. And then you haue more supreme gouer∣nours then one▪ not onely in England, but in London, yea and in the Court too, I trowe. Of Iohn the .18. and Grego∣rie the .5. we shal say more anon.
But nowe whether Syluester the .2. were a coniurer or no, to your mater it maketh neuer a whit, and there is more to be said to the contrary, whiche neadelesse we nede not now to allege, then ye shal perchaunce,* 1.4 this whole twelue moneths wel answere vnto. But I woulde now faine aske you M. Horne, who is this Siluester? What was his name before I pray you? Forsoth, gentle Reader, this Siluester is he, by whose electiō to be B. of Rhemes, M. Horne in the last page, would proue the Frēch king to be Supreme head
of the Church: And then to set foorth the Kings Suprema∣cie, he was Gilbert the Philosopher, and nowe for to de∣presse the Popes Supremacie, being made Pope him selfe, by M. Hornes charme, is turned from a Philosopher to a Coniurer. But to leaue al other coniectures, and especial∣lie that it is not likely, that he solde as ye say, his soule to the Deuill for that promotion: seing, that by the report of your own Author Sabellicus, it is said that he instructed in lear∣ning not only the French king, but the Emperour also, and therfore was in some great likelihode of preferment, with∣out any Magical arte to be practised for the same, I say that your selfe vnwarely haue aunswered your selfe, in calling him a Philosopher. For being so verye fewe in the West part in those daies skilful in Philosophie and in the Mathe∣maticalles,* 1.5 if anye were suche, the common people tooke him by and by, for a Nigromancer and a coniurer. And Theodorichus de Nyem, an Author by your selfe alle∣gead (Page .83. a) witnesseth the same, saying that this Syl∣uester was cunning in liberal Sciences, and a noble Philosopher and Mathematical. I haue seene (saith he) certaine of his bookes most suttill in Philosophie. And for his suche excellent learning, multi Romani ipsum odio habebant, dicētes, quòd Ma∣gus esset, nec non magicam artem exerceret. Many of the Romaines hated him, saying that he was a Coniurer and vsed witchcraft. Vpon such vaine rumours you also cal him a Coniurer M. Horne, vttering therein as much good skil, as you doe good will.
But how so euer it be, ye should not by your supreme au∣thority, yet to the bewraying either of your notable vn∣skilfulnesse (as not knowing the saied Sluyester, to be the partye yee speake of immediatlye before) or of youre
notable peruersitie and yll dealing, so sodenly haue turned him from a philosopher into a coniurer.* 1.6 Wherein yet if ye will stryue and wrangle, to proue, that for all this gyfte, Otho acknowledged the popes supreame authoritye, I re∣mitte yowe M. Horne, and your reader, to the verie sayde distinction your self alleage. Where ye shall fynd, that this Otho or his grandfather, Otho the firste, did by the vsuall othe of themperours euer sythens geuen, agnise the pope for the supreame head of the Church. So your owne story playnely and fullie opened, geueth againste yowe a playne and a full testimonie also, aswell of your moste vnhoneste and false dealinge in the handlinge of this storie, as of your most false, and yet most accustomable assertion, that the su∣premacie of all causes ecclesiasticall remayned in thempe∣rous and not in the popes. And as for Syluester him selfe, howe he repented at the ende, and what a miraculous to∣ken God gaue of his good state, after his deathe, the lerned Reader may see in a. 1.7 Naucler b. 1.8 Sabell. and c. 1.9 Platina, as I haue otherwhere touched it against M. Iewell.
You reherse here yet a nomber of popes in the creation or deposition of whome, themperour semed to haue some∣what to doe. But altogether as we haue often shewed, impertinently and otherwise lyingly, and againste your self also directly browght in. And to begin M. Horn euen with your first example of Arnulphus, I pray you, where fynde yowe in your authour that the kinge deposed him? Your authour sayeth no suche matter, but that, the kinge did cast him in pryson, beinge firste deposed by a synode of bi∣shops. Yet he made ye will say, Gilberte the philosopher
bisshop for him: and afterward Otho the .3. made him arch∣bishop of Rauēna. Ye might haue added ād pope to, as your authour doth, if ye had meant to deale playnly, ād especial∣ly that the said Gilbert{us} by pope Iohns authority, was thrust out, ād Arnulphus restored agayne (as you heard before).
Ye doe nowe partly (as before) bely Platina, and partly gheasse blindly, as thowghe Platina durst not (to flatter the popes withal) playnly opē his mynd: ād as thowgh he shuld be of this mynd,* 1.10 that he that cōmeth into the papacy with∣out thēperours cōsent is but a theef, and a robber. Which is as true as before ye made him therfore a traytour. For Pla∣tina geueth forth no such mening. But sheweth two causes why this Iohn came not in by the dore. The one, that he came in by bryberie. The other, that he vsurped the see beīg not as yet vacāt, Gregory whome ye write of, as yet lyuīg, ād beīg the lawful pope chosen by the voice of the clergy, and by the cōsent of thēperor, and all the people of Rome.
After al this ye say, that Hērie the .3. deposed thre popes (whom you cal thre mōstrous bestes, of such a beastly sprite you are) ād yet you lie in so sayīg. For thēperor by supreme Authorite deposed none. But only for quyetnes sake (as Sa∣bel. writeth) coegit se dignitate abdicare. Forced thē al to de∣pose thē selues. which by force no maruail if he did. But by right neither he nor any mā liuing could haue deposed any pope. They may be induced either by reason or by force to depose thē selues. Farder you say, this Emperour sware the Romās that they should neuer be present at the popes ele∣ctiō, onlesse they were compelled by thēperor. It had bene wel done if ye had told vs who writeth so, and withal, by what warrāt thēperour could exclud the people frō their cōsent which hitherto they gaue in the chosing of the popes. Sa∣bellicus
your Author, writeth of no such cōpulsiō. But that they should not so doe, without his permissiō,* 1.11 ād the reason he addeh. Vt dignitas maneret illi inoffensa, caueretur{que} in po∣sterum pontificibus. that pope Clement thē chosen might cō∣tinewe quietly, and that also for the quiet of other popes to come he might prouide. Al which he did as a godly defen∣dour, not as a Supreme Gouernor of the Church. Now if a mā would stād with you altogether ād say ye belie Stepha∣nus, ād certain other popes, of such as ye haue here named,* 1.12 I think he should not say farre frō the truth. But yet because ye haue some authors on your side, I wil not greatly charge your for this matter. You tel vs in thend of this processe, that the Emperour made Bauno pope, ād was named Leo .9. But I tel you nowe. M. Horn, that the Emperors making was after vnmade, ād this Bauno made pope by the Clergy in Rome. For where as this Bauno chosen first of thempe∣rour, came out of Germany to Rome, al in his Pontificalibus as alredy pope, Hugo that famouse ād lerned Abbat of Clu∣niacū, ād Hildebrād (who after was pope Gregory .7.) met him in the way ād shewed him: that thēperor had no right to choose the pope, that the same right belonged to the Clergy and City of Rome, that he should lay down his bishoply attyre,* 1.13 come to Rome as a priuate man, and then if he were thought mete, by the lawfull consent of the clergie and city, to be chosen. Their counsell he folowed, openly detestinge his former rashnes, that at the Emperours only choyse he had taken vpon him that highe office. Thus afterwarde in Rome he was lawful∣ly chosen, there he was made pope, and named Leo .9. not by the Emperour only, as M. Horne only telleth. And this al historians in maner do witnesse.
Plat. in Greg. 5. Volat. lib. 22. An∣throp.
Naucl. ge¦nerat. 34. pag. 96.
Nauclerus Ibidem.
M. Horn•• incōstant or igno∣dealing touching Syluester the .2.
Siluester vvas no cōiurer. Theodori∣chus de Nyem in lib de pri∣uileg. & Iurib. Im∣perij. In volum. de imper. et eccles. po∣test. pag. 832. impr. Basil. An. 1566.
Dist. 63. Tibi Do∣mino Io∣hanni pa∣pae, ego rex Otho &c. In Romae nullū pla∣citū aut or¦dinationē faciam de omnibus quae ad te, aut ad Ro¦manos per¦tinent sine tuo consi∣lio, et quic¦quid deter¦ra S. Petri ad nostrā potestatē peruenerit tibi red∣dam, & cuicunque &c.
Gen. 34.
Aen. 9. lib. 2.
In Syl. Artic. 4. pag. 114. Naucl. gener. 33. Arnulphū Rhemorū Pontificē synodo episcoporū habita ab vrbe deiectū, in vincula coniecit. Rhemis Gilbertū Philosophū posuit episcopum: Romani tamen ponti∣ficis edicto, Arnulphus, reuocato Gilberto restitutus est, &c.
Platina in Ioh. 18. Cresceniij Romani cōsulis po∣tētia fret{us} quē pecu∣nia corru∣pissecredi∣tum est: et mox. Mi∣ror ergo hi¦storicos Io¦annē ipsū inter pōti∣fices nume¦rasse, cùm viuēte ad huc pōtifi∣ce Grego∣rio sedem occupasset.
Sabel. Ae∣ne. 9. li. 2.
Vide Her∣mannum cōtractum in chroni∣cis.
Lambert. Schasnab. in histor. Germa. Othonem Frising. li. 6. cap. 33.
Sabell. Aened. 9. lib. 2. Naucler. gener. 35. pag 120. Platina in Leo .9.