[The displaying of an horrible secte of grosse and wicked heretiques, naming themselues the family of loue with the liues of their authours and what doctrine they teach in corners. Newly set foorth by I.R. Whereunto is added certeine letters sent from the same family mainteyning their opinions, which letters are aunswered by the same J.R.]

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[The displaying of an horrible secte of grosse and wicked heretiques, naming themselues the family of loue with the liues of their authours and what doctrine they teach in corners. Newly set foorth by I.R. Whereunto is added certeine letters sent from the same family mainteyning their opinions, which letters are aunswered by the same J.R.]
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Rogers, John, fl. 1560-1580.
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[Imprinted at London :: [By H. Middleton] for George Bishop,
1579]
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Niclaes, Hendrik. 1502?-1580?
Joris, David, b. 1501 or 2.
Familists -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Familists -- England -- History -- 16th century -- Early works to 1800.
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"[The displaying of an horrible secte of grosse and wicked heretiques, naming themselues the family of loue with the liues of their authours and what doctrine they teach in corners. Newly set foorth by I.R. Whereunto is added certeine letters sent from the same family mainteyning their opinions, which letters are aunswered by the same J.R.]." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A10910.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 16, 2024.

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Certein absurd speeches taken out of the bookes of H. N. as errours of the Familie of Loue.

1 Howe and in what manner the Lorde God hath appeared to H. N.

THE Lord God of heauen moued me in his minde or spirit, his power com∣passed me with a rushing noise: and the glorie of the same God of heauen became great in my spirite, in such wise, that the clearenes of God wholy inuironed me, and shone round about me, where tho∣rough y sight of mine eyes became clear∣rer then the christall, and mine vnder∣standing brighter then the sunne.

When I then perceiued or vnder∣stoode it so, the Lords meaning and will vnto me, euen such as his beeing or es∣sence spake vnto me.

For the being of God gaue forth his

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sound and voyce, and spake vnto me. H. N. through the spirit of his loue all these wordes.

2. The secrets of our hearts are knowne to H. N.

For although ye dissemble with mee, and howe craftily so euer ye couer you before me: yet are neuerthelesse, all the counsels and falshoodes of your hearts manifest before mee, and so muche the more naked and bare before the eyes of my heart and spirite.

For, no (beloued) no, ye can not bide couered before me, nor before the face of my God.

3 H. N. can no more erre then Christ and his Apostles.

They doe iudge Moyses, the Pro∣phets, Christe, and his Apostles, and his Minister H▪N. to erre, and misse the right: rather then to acknowledge them selues in their imagination to be ignorant and lying.

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4. The scriptures are fulfilled in H. N. and his Familie.

To the end nowe in the very last, the Scripture and all what God hath spo∣ken by his holy Prophetes, and what is written of Christ, should in vs and with vs become fulfilled, to the honour and glory of God, and to our ioy: like as it standeth written, Luke 1. ca. 24. vers. 44.

This is assuredly the heartie merci∣fulnesse of God ouer vs, nowe in the last time, to the end the glorious Lordly∣nesse of GOD should in vs become ma∣nifested and declared, and the Scripture fulfilled.

5 No man must mistrust H. N. in doctrine, nor any euill to be in him.

They ought to beware that they di∣strust not the eldest in the Familie of Loue▪ nor suspect any maner of euill or vnwisedome by him: nor yet also in a∣ny wise persuade them selues, that the exercises, documents, and instructions,

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whiche are taught or set foorth before them, by the Father of the Familie of Loue, (or oldest Elder) are too slight, too childish, or too vnwise for them to fol∣lowe after, or to obey: but with perfect hearts, humbly and singly minded, euen as good willing children vnto obedi∣ence, to receiue the same instructions, proceeding out of the wisdome & coun∣sel of the Eldest: and to stand euē so sub∣mitted always, vnto the manly oldnesse in the loue.

6 The maner of shrift vsed in the Familie.

It is expedient, that they make mani∣nifest their whole hearte, with all their counselles, myndes, willes, and thou∣ghtes: together with all their doinges, dealings, and exercises, naked and bare before the Eldest in the Familie: and not to hide any thing, (bee it what it is) and al what their inclination and nature draweth them vnto, and al things wher∣with they become tēpted in their heatrs.

If ye chaunce to offende or committe sinne, confesse the same before the prie∣stes and Elders: and let all appeare na∣kedly

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and apparantly before them.

7 That we must liue without sinne.

The vpright freedome is this, that the heart, minde, and spirite is wholy relea∣sed, purged, or purified, from all wicked nature which hath reigned ouer him, and that there dwell, liue, nor rule, any other thing in him, namely, in all his spirit, thought, mind, & soule, but alone the true godheade, with his louely being of the vpright loue: yea, to be so wholy replenished with all the vertues of God: and that there flow nothing else in him, namely in this spirite and minde, but the spirituall, heauenly, and liuing waters.

8 Howe H. N. iudgeth of vs, because we acknowledge our selues to be of the Church of Christ.

For that cause, if thou nowe account not thy selfe for an whore, but esteemest thy selfe for the faithfull espoused wife of Christ, my ielous conceiuing can not stand otherwise, but that thou art a pre∣sumptuous whore, whiche playest the hypocrite with Christe, and couertly

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committest whoredome: thou shalt be constrayned to drinke the bitter cursed water of my ielosie.

9 No man be he neuer so learned or godly, can vnderstand or interpret the scripture, but onely the El∣ders in the Familie.

The Scripturely learned man hath no knowledge of Gods matters, he can not vnderstande any tittle, much lesse ex∣pounde or interprete the same to others: all Scripture appeare to suche couered, secrete, in signes, and parables: nor can comprehend what the same (according to the trueth) is. What such conceiueth or speaketh, is false and lyes. It is assured∣ly giuen to the family of Loue to vnder∣stand the secretes thereof.

It is assuredly all false lyes, seducing and deceitfull, what the vngodded or vnilluminate men, out of the imaginati∣on of their knowledge, and out of the learnednes of the scripture, bring foorth, preach and teach: they preach in deede the letter, and the immagination of their

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knoweledge, but not the word of the li∣uing God. Let them esteeme themselues as holy as they wil: they are a false Chri∣stianitie, a diuelish synagogue, or schole.

10 That all men must submit themselues vnto the godlie wisdome in. H. N.

Seeing nowe that I (my father) finde out in deede, that the Lorde the moste highest, hath reuealed his mercie seate, y possession of his most excellent Maiestie and heauenly riches in thee, and with the same being of the perfect Godhead, made a godly dwelling with thee: so were it meete and conuenient, that al the generations of the earth submitted them selues vnto the same mercie seate and godly Maiestie, & assembled them ther∣vnto.

11 Howe the Elders are Godded with God.

It becommeth not that any shoulde take in hand to teach, but only the Illu∣minate Elders in the Familie: which also haue receiued the word of life from the

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liuing God, and are euen through the same, Godded with God, or incorpora∣ted to God, with whom also God in on being and power of his spirite, is Homi∣nified, or become man.

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