A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno. 1565.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 3, 2024.

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M. Hardinge. The .24. Diuision.

Bede in the ende of his seconde booke sheweth, that one Iames a Deacon of the Churche of Yorke, a very conninge man in songe, soone after the faithe had beene spred abroade here, as the number of beleuers grewe, beganne to be a Maister, or teacher of singinge in the Churche, after the maner of the Romaines. The like he writeth of one Eddi, surnamed Stephanus, that taught the people of Northumberlande to singe the Seruice after the Romaine maner: and of Putta, a holy man, Bishop of Rochester, commendinge him muche for his greate skil of singinge in the Churche, after the vse and maner of the Romaines, whiche he had learned of the Disciples of S. Gregorie.

These be testimonies plaine, and euident enough, that at the beginninge the Churches of Englande had their diuine seruice in Latine, and not in Englishe. One place more I wil recite out of Bede, most manifest of al other for proufe hereof. In the time of Agatho the Pope there was a reuerende man

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called Iohn Archicantor, that is, chiefe Chaunter, or singer, S. Peters Churche at Rome, and Abbot of the Monasterie of S. Martin there. Benedicte an Abbot of Britaine, hauinge builded a Monasterie at the mouthe of the Riuer Murus, (Bede so calleth it) sued to the Pope for confirmations, liberties, fraunchisies, priuileges &c. as in suche case hath beene accustomed. Amonge other thinges, he ob∣teined this cunninge Chaunter Iohn, to come with him into Britaine, to teache songe.

Bicause Bedes Ecclesiastical storie is not very common, I haue thought good, here to recite his owne woordes, thus Englihed. This Abbot Benedicte tooke with him the foresaide Iohn, to bring him into Britaine, that he should teache in his Monasterie the course of Seruice for the whole yeere, so as it was doone at S. Peters in Rome. Iohn did as he had commaundement from the Pope, bothe in teachinge the singinge men of the saide Monasterie, the order, and rite of singinge, and readinge with vtterance of their voice, and also of writing and prickinge those thinges, that the compasse of the whole yeere required in the celebration and keepinge of the holy daies. Which be kepte in the same Monasterie, til this day, and be copied out of many rounde about on euery coaste. Neither did that Iohn teache the Bre∣thren of that Monasterie onely, but also many other made al the meanes they coulde, to get him to other places, where they might haue him to teache. This farre Bede. I trowe, no man wil thinke, that this Romaine taught, and wrote the order and manner of singinge, and pronouncinge the Seruice of the Churches of this lande, in the Englishe tongue. If it had beene deemed of the learned, and godly go∣uernours of Christen people then, a necessary pointe to saluation, to haue had the Seruice in the English no man had beene so apte and fitte to haue translated it, as he, who in those daies had by special grace of God, a singular gifte to make songes, and sonets in Englishe Meter, to serue religion, and deuotion. His name was Cednom, of whome Bede writeth marueilouse thinges. Howe he made diuerse songes conteininge mater of the holy Scripture, with suche exceedinge sweetenesse, and with suche a grace, as many feelinge their hartes compuncte, and prickte, with hearinge and readinge of them, withdrewe themselues from the loue of the worlde, and were enkendled with the desire of the heauenly life. Many (saithe Bede) of the Englishe Nation, attempted after him to make religious, and godly Poetries: but none coulde doo comparably to him. For he was not (saith he, alludinge to S. Paules woordes) taught of men, neither by man, that Arte of makinge godly songes: but receiued from God that gifte freely. And therefore he coulde make no wanton, triflinge, or vaine ditties, but onely suche as perteined to godly Religion, and might seeme to proceede of a head guided by the holy Gost. Lib. 4. Cap. 24. This diuine Poete Cednom, though he made many and sundrie holy workes, hauing their whole argumēt out of holy Scripture, as Bede reporteth: yet neuer made he any peece of the Seruice to be vsed in the Church. Thus the faith hath continued in this lande among the English people from the .14. yeere of the reigne of Mauritius Themperour, almost these .1000. yeeres, and vntil the late King Edwardes time, the English Seruice was neuer hearde of, at least way neuer in the Churche of Englande by publike authoritie re∣ceiued, and vsed.

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