A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno. 1565.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 3, 2024.

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he B. of Sarisburie.

Neither are we the aduersaries of the Churche, nor Gelasius the chiefest that we bringe for our purpose. We follow Christe, as he hath commaunded vs, whome it became Gelasius also to followe. But it is a worlde to sée, into howe many faces, and fashions M. Harding is faine to turne him selfe, to auoide this authoritie

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of Gelasius. He leaueth the whole route of his owne companie, and is gladde to renne alone. He expoundeth Gelasius by Leo, as though they wrote bothe of one thinge. And yet others of his owne side say, that Leo wrote of Heretiques, and Gelasius of Catholikes: Leo of the people, Gelasius of the Priestes. He com∣plaineth, that the reste of Gelasius is not to be founde, as though it were sup∣preste by some of vs: and yet it is thought the Pope hath it whole in his Libra∣rie. He diuiseth newe causes of vnitie of the Mysterie, suche as Gelasius neuer knewe. He concludeth at the laste, that this breache of Christes Institution, and Ministration vnder One Kinde, that is nowe vniuersally vsed in the Churche of Rome, was firste brought in, and practised by the Manichees, whiche were in olde time wicked, and horrible Heretiques.

He saithe, I haue guilefully alleged Gelasius, and to the intent it mighte the sooner appeare, he hath noted it specially in the Margin. But if M. Hardinge himselfe had meante no guile, he woulde haue shewed plainely, wherein I haue béene guileful: or what I might haue gotten by this guile: or what aduantage I mighte haue loste by plainer dealinge. For guile without cause is meere olie, and no guile. But I recited the woordes in Latine, and had forgotten to Englishe them. Nowe surely, that is but a simple guile, and might wel haue béene spared out of the Margin.

But my woordes be these: Gelasius saithe, that to Minister the Sacrament in one Kinde, is open Sacrilege. And what guile canne he finde herein? This woorde, Sa∣crilege, and the refusinge of the Cuppe, are bothe specially named by Gelasius. There remaine onely these woordes, To minister the Sacrament: and there, saithe M. Har∣dinge, lieth the guile. How be it therein, as it shal wel appeare, I say nothinge, but that Gelasius saithe, and M. Hardinge him selfe woulde haue him say. For thus saithe Gelasius, The diuision of the Mysterie, whereby he meaneth the Sa∣crament, is Sacrilege:

But the Priest that Ministreth in One Kinde, diuideth the Mysterie:
Ergo, the Priest that Ministreth in One Kinde, committeth Sacrilege.

This argument is perfite and formal, & founded vpon Gelasius woordes. I trowe this is no guileful dealinge.

The vnitie of the Mysterie, that M. Hardinge hath here fantasied, that either parte is in other, and therefore harpeth so often, as it were by reportes vpon these woordes Vnum, & idem, is but his owne voluntarie. He is not hable to allege either Gelasius, or any other olde Father, that euer expounded Vnum, and Idem, in that sorte. He calleth it one Mysterie, as Hugo Cardinals saith, although other∣wise a very grosse writer, Propter vnitatem Institutionis, For the vnitie of the Institu∣tion: and for that the Breade and Wine beinge sundrie portions, haue bothe relation vnto one Christe: and for that cause by S. Hieromes iudgement S. Paule saithe, vna fi∣des, vnum Baptisma, one Faithe, one Baptisme. And for that also, that beinge, as I saide, two sundrie portions, yet they make not two sundrie Sacramentes, but one onely Sacrament. And therefore Durandus a late writer seemeth to say wel. In multis locis communicatur cum Pane & Vino, id est, cum toto Sacra∣mento. In many places they Communicate with Breade and Wine, that is, saith he, with the whole Sacrament. Of whiche woordes the Reader, be he neuer so simple, may easely geather, that the Communion in One Kinde, is but the Halfe Sacrament: and so the diuision of one Mysterie: and so further, the selfe same thinge, that Gela∣sius calleth Sacrilege.

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