A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

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A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno 1567. 27. Octobris.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Apologia Ecclesiæ Anglicanæ -- Early works to 1800.
Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Confutation of a booke intituled An apologie of the Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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The Apologie, Cap. 14. Diuision. 6.

The Emperoure Iustinian made a Lawe to correcte the behaue∣our of the Cleregie, & to cutte shorte the insolente Iewdenesse of the Priestes. And, albeit hee were a Christian, and a Catholique Prince, yet putte hee downe from theire Papal Throne, twoo Popes, Sylue∣rius, and Vigilius, notwithstandinge they were Peters Successours, and Christes Vicars.

M. Hardinge.

Iustinians lawe concerninge good order to be kepte amonge Pristes morally was good, and bound them by the force of reason. If he made any other Lawe touchinge matters of Religion, Pope Io∣annes then beinge, approued it, or at the leste, Iustianian‡ 1.1 asked approbation thereof,‡ 1.2 as it maie ap∣peare in his owne Epistle, wherein he confesseth in the facte it selfe, that his Lawes could not binde in supernatural causes belonginge to faithe, except the heade of the Vniuersal Churche confirme them. Syluerius and Vigilius were deposed rather by Theodora the Emperesse, then by Iustinian the Empe∣roure. * 1.3 Ye do wronge to impute that wicked tyrannie vnto him.* 1.4 He is not to be burthened there with, onlesse the man be countable for his wiues iniquities.

Howe so euer it was, that extraordinary violence and tyrannie can not iustly be alleaged to the defence of your false assertion. Neither woulde your selfe haue mentioned the same, if ye coulde haue founde better matter. As hungrie Dogges eate durty puddinges, accordinge to the prouerbe, cleane yenough for sutche vncleane writers, so your fowle matters be defended by fowle factes.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

Iustinian, yée saie, might wel make somme Moral Lawe, to keepe Priestes, and Bishoppes in good order. Wherein neuerthelesse Pope Paule. 3. condemneth you vtterly: For thus he writeth, and reasoneth substantially against the Emperoure Charles the Fifthe:* 1.5 Ecce ego super Pastores meos: Beholde, saithe Almighty God, I mee selfe wil ouersee my Sheepheardes: Ergo, saithe Pope Paulus, The Emperoure maie not deale with the manners of Priestes, and Bishoppes.

How be it, the Emperours made Lavves, Touchinge the Holy Trinitie: Touchinge the Faithe: Touchinge Baptisme: Touchinge the Holy Communion: Touchinge the Publique Praiers: Touchinge the Scriptures: Touchinge the keepinge of Holy daies: Touchinge Churches, & Chaples: Touchinge the Con∣secration of Bishoppes: Touchinge Non Residences: Touchinge Periurie, &c. It were mutche for you, M. Hardinge, to saie, as nowe yée woulde séeme to saie, Al these were Moral Lawes,* 1.6 and perteined onely to good order. But the Pope, yee saie, allowed the Emperours Ecclesiastical Lawes: Otherwise, of the Emperours owne Authoritie, they had no force. The truthe hereof, by the Particulares, maie soone appeare.

By one of the Emperours Lavves it is prouided, That the Bishop of Con∣stantinople shal haue Equal Povver,* 1.7 and Prerogatiue with the Bishop of Rome. This Lavve the Pope coulde neuer brooke. And yet that notwithstandinge, Li∣beratus saithe, It holdeth stil by the Emperours Authoritie, whether the Pope wil, or no:* 1.8 Againe, it is prouided in the same Lavve, that the Churches of Il∣lyricum, in their doubteful cases, shal appeale to Constantinople, & not to Rome:

The Emperoure Constantine saithe, If the Bishop moue trouble (by Doctrine, or otherwise,) by my hande he shalbe pounished: For my hande is the hande of Goddes Minister:* 1.9

Iustinian the Emperoure in his Lavve commaundeth, That the Prieste, or Bi∣shop in pronouncinge the Publique Praiers, and in the Ministration of the Sacramentes, lifte vp his voice, and speake alowde, that the people maie saie, Amen, and be sturred to more Deuotion: Againe, he saithe, as it is noted in the Glose vpon the Authentiques, Papa Temporalibus immiscere se non debet:* 1.10 The Pope maie not intermeddle with Tem∣poral Causes:

In the same Lawes,* 1.11 the same Emperoure Iustinian saithe, Wee Commounde the moste Holy Archebishoppes, and Patriarkes, of Rome, of Constantinople, of Alexan∣dria, of Antioche, and of Hierusalem: The same Emperoure Iustinian commaun∣deth, That al Monkes,* 1.12 either be driuen to studie the Scriptures, or els be forced to Bodily Laboure: Carolus Magnus made a Lavve, That nothinge shoulde be readde open∣ly in the Churche, sauinge onely the Canonical Bookes of the Holy Scriptures: And that the Faitheful People shoulde receiue the Holy Communion euery Sonnedaie. I leaue the re∣hearsal of infinite other like Examples.

Nowe, M. Hardinge, wil you saie, or maie wee beleue, that al these, and other like Lavves were allowed by the Pope?

In déede your Gloser saithe,* 1.13 Ad quid intromittit se Imperator de Spiritualibus, vel Ecclesiasticis, cùm sciat ad se non pertinere? VVherefore doothe the Emperoure thus busie him selfe with these Spiritual, or Ecclesiastical maters, seeinge he knoweth, they are no parte of his Charge?* 1.14 To so profounde a question, after a longe solemne studie, he diuiseth this answeare: Dic, quòd Authoritate Papae hoc facit: Scie thou, that he doothe it by the Popes Authoritie: And then the whole mater is discharged, and al is wel.

Notwithstandinge, somme likelihoode hereof yee would seeme to geather, euen out of Iustinians owne woordes.* 1.15 For thus he saithe vnto the Pope, although far otherwise, then you haue forced him to saie: Omnia, quae ad Ecclesiarum statum per∣tinent,

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approued in the Right Faithe,* 1.16 therefore wee wil, that he be presente at the hearing, and de∣batinge of Cases in the Councel: for as mutche as the Disputation is of the Faithe.

For Pope Nicolas him selfe saithe, as it is alleged before, Fides Vniuersalis est: Fides omnium Communis est: Fides nō solùm ad Clericos, verùm etiam ad Laicos,* 1.17 & ad omnes omninò pertinet Christianos:* 1.18 Faithe is Vniuersal: Faithe is common to al: Faithe perteineth, not onely vnto Priestes, but also vnto Laiemenne, and generally to al Christians.

As touchinge the Pope, and his Vniuersalitie of Povver, in, and ouer al Councelles of Bishoppes, wée maie rightly saie, as Athanasius saithe of Con∣stantius the Arian Emperoure, Obtendit in speciem Episcoporum Iudicium: sed interim facit, quod ipsi libet. Quid opus est Hominibus Titulo Episcopis? He maketh a shew of Iudgementes,* 1.19 or Determinations of Bishoppes: In the meane while he doothe, what he listeth him selfe. VVhat are wee the neare for these menne, that beare onely the name of Bishoppes? Sutche commonly be the Popes Prelates. What so euer Learninge they haue bisides, Diuinitie is commonly the least parte of theire studie. And therefore, when they are assembled in Councel, they maie wel iudge by Authoritie, but not by Learninge.

Verily,* 1.20 Luitprandus saithe, Imperator, vti experientia didicimus, intelligit ne∣gotia Dei, & facit, & amat ea: & tuetur omnibus viribus, & Ecclesiasticas res, & Ci∣uiles. Sed Iohannes Papa facit contra haec omnia: Wee see by experience, that the Emperoure vnderstandeth Goddes causes,* 1.21 and fauoureth, and perfourmeth the same: and with al his power mainteineth bothe Ecclesiastical, and Temporal maters. But Pope Iohn dooth al the contrarie.

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