A remonstrance of the most gratious King Iames I. King of Great Britaine, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, &c. For the right of kings, and the independance of their crownes. Against an oration of the most illustrious Card. of Perron, pronounced in the chamber of the third estate. Ian. 15. 1615. Translated out of his Maiesties French copie.
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A remonstrance of the most gratious King Iames I. King of Great Britaine, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, &c. For the right of kings, and the independance of their crownes. Against an oration of the most illustrious Card. of Perron, pronounced in the chamber of the third estate. Ian. 15. 1615. Translated out of his Maiesties French copie.
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James I, King of England, 1566-1625.
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"A remonstrance of the most gratious King Iames I. King of Great Britaine, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, &c. For the right of kings, and the independance of their crownes. Against an oration of the most illustrious Card. of Perron, pronounced in the chamber of the third estate. Ian. 15. 1615. Translated out of his Maiesties French copie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04250.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 7, 2024.
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The second Jnconuenience
examined.
THE second Inconuenience like to
growe, (as the Lord Cardinall see∣meth
to be halfe afraid) if the Article of the
third Estate might haue passed with appro∣bation,
is couched in these words:
Lay-men
shall by authoritie be strengthened with power, to
iudge in matters of Religion; as also to deter∣mine
the doctrine comprised in the said Article to
haue requisite conformitie with Gods word: yea
they shall haue it in their hands to compell Eccle∣siastics
descriptionPage 102
by necessitie, to sweare, preach, and teach
the opinion of the one side, as also by Sermons and
publike writings to impugne the other.
This
inconuenience hee aggrauateth with swel∣ling
words, and breaketh out into these ve∣hement
exclamations: O reproach, O scandall,
O gate set open to a world of heresies. He there∣fore
laboureth both by reasons, & by auto∣rities
of holy Scripture, to make such vsur∣ped
power of Laics, a fowle, shamefull, and
odious practise. In the whole, his Lordship
toyles himselfe in vaine, and maketh sup∣positions
of castles in the aire. For in pre∣ferring
this Article, the third Estate haue
born themselues not as iudges or vmpires,
but altogether as petitioners: requesting
the said Article might be receiued into the
number of the Parliament bookes, to bee
presented vnto the King and his Counsell,
vnto whome in all humilitie they referred
the iudgement of the said Article; concei∣uing
all good hope the Clergie and Nobi∣litie
would be pleased to ioyne for the fur∣therance
of their humble petition. They
were not so ignorant of State-matters, or so
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vnmindfull of their owne places and char∣ges,
to beare themselues in hand, that a pe∣tition
put vp and preferred by the third E∣state,
can carrie the force of a Lawe or Sta∣tute,
so long as the other two Orders with∣stand
the same, and so long as the King
himselfe holds backe his Royall consent.
Besides, the said Article was not propoun∣ded
as a point of religious doctrine; but for
euer after to remaine and continue a fun∣damentall
Lawe of the Commonwealth
and State it selfe, the due care whereof was
put into their hands, and committed to
their trust. If the King had ratified the said
Article with Royall consent, and had com∣manded
the Clergie to put in execution
the contents thereof; it had beene their du∣ty
to see the Kings will and pleasure fulfil∣led,
as they are subiects bound to giue him
aide in all things, which may any way serue
to procure the safetie of his life, and the
tranquility of his Kingdome. Which if the
Clergie had performed to the vttermost of
their power, they had not shewed obedi∣ence
as vnderlings, vnto the third Estate,
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but vnto the King alone: by whome such
commaund had beene imposed, vpon sug∣gestion
of his faithfull subiects, made the
more watchfull by the negligence of the
Clergie; whom they perceiue to be linked
with stricter bands vnto the Pope, then
they are vnto their King. Here then the
Cardinall fights with meere shadowes, and
mooues a doubt whereof his aduersaries
haue not so much as once thought in a
dreame. But yet, according to his great
dexteritie and nimblenesse of spirit, by this
deuice he cunningly takes vpon him to
giue the King a lesson with more libertie:
making semblance to direct his masked O∣ration
to the Deputies of the people, when
he shooteth in effect, and pricketh at his
King, the Princes also and Lords of his
Counsell, whom the Cardinall compriseth
vnder the name of Laics; whose iudgment
(it is not vnlikely) was apprehended much
better by the Clergy, then the iudgement
of the third Estate. Now these are the men
whom he tearmeth intruders into other
mens charges, and such as open a gate for
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I wot not how many legions of heresies, to
rush into the Church. For if it be proper to
the Clergie and their Head, to iudge in this
cause of the Right of Kings; then the King
himselfe, his Princes, and Nobilitie, are de∣barred
and wiped of all iudgement in the
same cause, no lesse then the representatiue
body of the people.
Well then, the L▪ Cardinall showres
downe like haile sundry places and testi∣monies
of Scripture, where the people are
commaunded to haue their Pastors in sin∣gular
loue, and to beare them all respects
of due obseruance. Be it so; yet are the said
passages of Scripture no barre to the peo∣ple,
for their vigilant circumspection, to
preserue the life and Crown of their Prince,
against all the wicked enterprises of men
stirred vp by the Clergie, who haue their
Head out of the Kingdom, and hold them∣selues
to be none of the Kings subiects: a
thing neuer spoken by the sacrificing
Priests and Prelates, mentioned in the pas∣sages
alleadged by the Lord Cardinall. He
likewise produceth two Christian Empe∣rours,
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Constantine and Valentinian by
name; the first refusing to meddle with
iudgement in Episcopall causes: the other
forbearing to iudge of subtile Questions in
Diuinity, with protestation, that Hee would
neuer be so curious, to diue into the streames, or
sound the bottome of so deepe matters. But who
doth not knowe, that working and proui∣ding
for the Kings indemnity and safetie, is
neither Episcopall cause, nor matter of curi∣ous
and subtile inquisition? The same an∣swer
meets with all the rest of the places
produced by the L. Cardinal out of the Fa∣thers.
And that one for example, out of
Gregory Nazianzenus, is not cited by the
Cardinall with faire dealing. For Gregorie
doth not boord the Emperour himselfe,
but his Deputie or L. President, on this
manner:For we also are in authoritie and place
of a Ruler, we haue command aswell as your selfe:
whereas the L. Cardinal with fowle play,
turnes the place in these termes, We also are
Emperours. Which words can beare no such
interpretation, as well because he to whom
the Bishop then spake, was not of Imperiall
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dignitie; as also because if the Bishop him∣selfe,
a Bishop of so small a citie as Nazian∣zum,
had qualified himselfe Emperour, he
should haue passed all the bounds of mo∣destie,
and had shewed himselfe arrogant
aboue measure. For as touching subiecti∣on
due to Christian Emperours, hee free∣ly
acknowledgeth a little before,that him∣selfe
and his people are subiect vnto the su∣periour
powers, yea bound to pay them tribute.
The history of the same Gregories life doth
testifie, that he was drawne by the Arrians
before the Consuls iudgement seate, and
from thence returned acquitted, without
either stripes or any other kind of contu∣melious
entreatie and vse: yet now at last
vp starts a Prelate, who dares make this
good Father vaunt himselfe to bee an Em∣perour.
It is willingly granted, that Empe∣rours
neuer challenged, neuer arrogated,
to be Soueraigne Iudges in controuersies
of doctrine and faith; neuertheles it is clea∣rer
then the Sunnes light at high noone,
that for moderation at Synods, for deter∣minations
and orders established in Coun∣cils,
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and for the discipline of the Church,
they haue made a good and a full vse of
their Imperiall authoritie. The 1. Council
held at Constantinople, beares this title or
inscription;The dedication of the holy Synode
to the most religious Emperour Theodosius the
Great, to whose will and pleasure they haue sub∣mitted
these Canons by them addressed and esta∣blished
in Council. And there they also be∣seech
the Emperour, to confirme and ap∣prooue
the said Canons. The like hath bin
done by the Councill of Trullo, by whome
the Canons of the fift and sixt Councils
were put forth and published. This was not
done, because Emperours tooke vpon
them to bee infallible Iudges of doctrine;
but onely that Emperours might see and
iudge, whether Bishops (who feele the
pricke of ambition as other men doe) did
propound nothing in their Conuocations
and Consultations, but most of all in their
Determinations, to vndermine the Empe∣rours
authoritie, to disturbe the tranquili∣tie
of the Commonwealth, and to crosse
the determinations of precedent Councils.
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Now to take the cognizance of such mat∣ters
out of the Kings hand or power; what
is it but euen to transforme the King into a
standing image, to wring and wrest him out
of all care of himselfe and his Kingly
charge, yea to bring him downe to this ba∣sest
condition, to become onely an execu∣tioner,
and (which I scorne to speake) the
vnhappie hangman of the Clergies will,
without any further cognizance, not so
much as of matters which most neerely
touch himselfe, and his Royall estate?
I graunt it is for Diuinitie Schooles, to
iudge how farre the power of the Keyes
doth stretch: I graunt againe, that Clerics
both may, and ought also to display the co∣lours
and ensignes of their censures against
Princes, who violating their publike and
solemne oath, do raise and make open war
against Iesus Christ: I graunt yet againe,
that in this case they need not admit Laics
to be of their counsell, nor allowe them a∣ny
scope or libertie of iudgement. Yet all
this makes no barre to Clerics, for exten∣ding
the power of their keies, many times
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a whole degree further then they ought;
and when they are pleased, to make vse of
their said power, to depriue the people of
their goods, or the Prince of his Crowne:
all this doth not hinder Prince or people
from taking care for the preseruation of
their owne rights and estates, nor from re∣quiring
Clerics to shewe their cards, and
produce their Charts, and to make demon∣stration
by Scripture, that such power as
they assume and challenge, is giuen them
from God. For to leaue the Pope absolute
Iudge in the same cause wherein hee is a
party, and (which is the strongest rampier
and bulwarke, yea the most glorious and
eminent point of his domination) to arme
him with power to vnhorse Kings out of
their feates; what is it else but euen to draw
them into a state of despaire, for euery win∣ning
the day, or preuailing in their honou∣rable
and rightfull cause?
It is moreouer graunted, if a King shall
commaund any thing directly contrary to
Gods word, and tending to the subuer∣ting
of the Church; that Clerics in this case
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ought not onely to dispense with subiects
for their obedience, but also expressely to
forbid their obedience: For it is alwaies
better to obey God then man. Howbeit in
all other matters, whereby the glory and
maiesty of God is not impeached or impai∣red,
it is the duty of Clerics to plie the peo∣ple
with wholesome exhortation to con∣stant
obedience, and to auert by earnest
disswasions the said people from tumultu∣ous
reuolt and seditious insurrection. This
practise vnder the Pagan Emperours, was
held and followed by the auncient Christi∣ans;
by whose godly zeale and patience in
bearing the yoke, the Church in times past
grew and flourished in her happy and plen∣tifull
encrease, farre greater then Poperie
shall euer purchase and attaine vnto by all
her cunning deuises and sleights: as namely
by degrading of Kings, by interdicting of
Kingdomes, by apposted murders, and
by Diabolicall traines of Gunne-powder-mines.
The places of Scripture alledged in or∣der
by the Cardinall, in fauour of those that
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stand for the Popes claime of power and
authoritie to depose Kings, are cited with
no more sinceritie then the former:
They
alleadge (these are his words) that Samuel de∣posed
King Saul, or declared him to bee deposed,
because hee had violated the lawes of the Iewes
religion.
His Lordship auoucheth elsewhere,
that Saul was deposed, because hee had
sought prophanely to vsurpe the holy
Priesthood. Both false, and contrary to the
tenor of truth in the sacred historie. For
Saul was neuer deposed, according to the
sense of the word (I meane, depose) in the
present question: to wit, as deposing is ta∣ken
for despoyling the King of his Royall
dignity, and reducing the King to the con∣dition
of a priuate person: But Saul held the
title of King, and continued in possession
of his Kingdome, euen to his dying day.
Yea, the Scripture styles him King, euen to
the periodical and last day of his life, by the
testimonie of Dauid himselfe, who both by
Gods promise, and by precedent vnction,
was then heire apparant as it were to the
Crowne, in a manner then ready to gird
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and adorne the temples of his head. For if
Samuel, by Gods commaundement, had
then actually remooued Saul from his
Throne, doubtles the whole Church of Is∣rael
had committed a grosse error, in ta∣king
and honouring Saul for their King af∣ter
such deposition: doubtlesse the Prophet
Samuel himselfe, making known the Lords
ordinance vnto the people, would haue
enioyned them by strict prohibition, to call
him no longer the King of Israel: doubtles
Dauid would neuer haue held his hand
from the throate of Saul, for this respect and
consideration, because hee was the Lords
annointed. For if Saul had lost his Kingly
authoritie, from that instant when Samuel
gaue him knowledge of his reiection; then
Dauid, least otherwise the bodie of the
Kingdome should want a Royal Head, was
to beginne his Raigne, and to beare the
Royall Scepter in the very same instant:
which were to charge the holy Scriptures
with vntruth, in as much as the sacred histo∣rie
beginnes the computation of the yeers
of Dauids raigne, from the day of Sauls
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death. True it is, that in the 2. Sam. cap. 15.
Saul was denounced by Gods owne sen∣tence,
a man reiected, and as it were ex∣communicated
out of the Kingdome, that
he should not rule and raigne any longer
as King ouer Israel; neuerthelesse the said
sentence was not put in execution, before
the day when God, executing vpon Saul
an exemplarie iudgement, did strike him
with death. From whence it is manifest and
cleare, that when Dauid was annointed
King by Samuel, that action was onely a
promise, and a testimony of the choice,
which God had made of Dauid for suc∣cession
immediately after Saul; and not a
present establishment, inuestment, or in∣stalment
of Dauid in the Kingdome. Wee
reade the like in 1. King. cap. 19. where
God commaundeth Elias the Prophet, to
annoint Hasael King of Syria. For can any
man be so blind and ignorant in the sacred
History, to beleeue the Prophets of Israel
established, or sacred the Kings of Syria?
For this cause, when Dauid was actually
established in the Kingdom, he was anoin∣ted
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the second time.
In the next place he brings in the Popes
champions vsing these words;
Rehoboam was
deposed by Ahiah the Prophet, from his Royall
right ouer the tenne Tribes of Israel, because his
father Salomon had played the Apostata, in fal∣ling
from the Lawe of God.
This I say also, is
more then the truth of the sacred historie
doth affoard. For Ahiah neuer spake to Re∣hoboam
(for ought we reade,) nor brought
vnto him any message from the Lord. As
for the passage quoted by the L. Cardinall
out of Reg. 3. chap. 11. it hath not reference
to the time of Rehoboams raigne, but ra∣ther
indeed to Salomons time: nor doth it
carrie the face of a iudicatory sentence for
the Kings deposing, but rather of a Prophe∣ticall
prediction. For how could Rehobo∣am,
before he was made King, be depriued
of the Kingdome? Last of all, but worst of
all; to alleadge this passage for an example
of a iust sentence in matter of deposing a
King, is to approoue the disloyall treache∣ry
of a seruant against his master, and the
rebellion of Ieroboam branded in Scrip∣ture
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with a marke of perpetuall infamy for
his wickednesse and impietie.
He goes on with an other example of
no more truth:
King Achab was deposed by
Elias the Prophet, because he imbraced false reli∣gion,
and worshipped false gods.
False too like
the former; King Achab lost his Crowne
and his life both together. The Scripture,
that speaketh not according to mans fancy,
but according to the truth, doth extend
and number the yeeres of Achabs raigne,
to the time of his death. Predictions of a
Kings ruine, are no sentences of depositi∣on.
Elias neuer gaue the subiects of A∣chab
absolution from their oath of obedi∣ence;
neuer gaue them the least inckling of
any such absolution; neuer set vp, or placed
any other King in Achabs Throne.
That of the L. Cardinall a little after, is
no lesse vntrue:
That King Vzziah was dri∣uen
from the conuersation of the people by Azari∣as
the Priest, and thereby the administration of
his Kingdome was left no longer in his power.
Not so: For when God had smitten Vzziah
with leprosie in his forehead, he withdrew
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himselfe, or went out into an house apart,
for feare of infecting such as were whole by
his contagious disease. The high Priest
smote him not with any sentence of deposi∣tion,
or denounced him suspended from
the administration of his Kingdome. No:
the dayes of his raigne are numbred in
Scripture, to the day of his death. And
whereas the Priest, according to the Lawe
in the 13. of Leuit. iudged the King to be
vncleane; he gaue sentence against him, not
as against a criminall person, and thereby
within the compasse of deposition; but as
against a diseased body. For the Lawe in∣flicteth
punishments, not vpon diseases, but
vpon crimes. Hereupon, whereas it is re∣corded
by Iosephus in his Antiquities, that
Vzziah lead a priuate, and in a manner, a so∣litarie
life; the said author doth not meane,
that Vzziah was deposed, but onely that he
disburdened himselfe of care to mannage
the publike affaires.
The example of Mattathias, by whome
the Iewes were stirred vp to rebell against
Antiochus, is no better worth. For in that
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example we finde no sentence of depositi∣on,
but onely an heartning and commoti∣on
of a people then grieuously afflicted
and oppressed. He that makes himselfe the
ring-leader of conspiracie against a King,
doth not forthwith assume the person, or
take vp the office and charge of a Iudge, in
forme of lawe, and iuridically to depriue a
King of his Regall rights, and Royall pre∣rogatiues.
Mattathias was chiefe of that
conspiracy, not in qualitie of Priest, but of
cheiftaine, or leader in warre, and a man the
best qualified of all the people. Things a∣cted
by the suddaine violence of the base
vulgar, must not stand for lawes, nor yet
for proofes and arguments of ordinarie
power, such as the Pope challengeth to
himselfe, and appropriateth to his triple-Crowne.
These bee our solide answers: wee dis∣claime
the light armour which the L. Car∣dinall
is pleased to furnish vs withall, for∣sooth
to recreate himselfe, in rebating the
points of such weapons, as he hath vouch∣safed
to put into our hands. Now it will be
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worth our labour to beate by his thrusts,
fetcht from the ordinary mission of the new
Testament, from leprosie, stones, and locks
of wool. A leach no doubt of admirable skil,
one that for subiecting the Crownes of
Kings vnto the Pope, is able to extract ar∣guments
out of stones; yea, out of the le∣prosie,
and the drie scab, onely forsooth be∣cause
heresie is a kind of leprosie, and an
heretike hath some affinitie with a leper.
But may not his Quoniam, be as fitly apply∣ed
to any contagious & inueterate vice of
the minde beside heresie? His warning-peice
therefore is discharged to purpose,
whereby he notifies that hee pretendeth to
handle nothing with resolution. For indeed
vpon so weake arguments, a resolution
is but ill-fauouredly and weakely groun∣ded.
His bulwarks thus beaten downe, let vs
now viewe the strength of our owne. First,
hee makes vs to fortifie on this manner:
They that are for the negatiue, doe alleadge the
authoritie of S. Paul; Let euery soule bee subiect
vnto the higher powers: For whosoeuer resisteth
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the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And
likewise that of S. Peter, Submit your selues,
whether it be vnto the King, as vnto the superi∣our,
or vnto gouernours, &c. Vpon these passa∣ges,
and the like, they inferre, that obedience is
due to Kings by the Lawe of God, and not di∣spensable
by any spirituall or temporall authori∣tie.
Thus he brings vs in with our first wea∣pon.
But here the very cheife sinew and
strength of our argument, he doth witting∣ly
balke, and of purpose conceale. To wit,
That all the Emperours of whom the said
holy Apostles haue made any mention in
their diuine Epistles, were professed ene∣mies
to Christ, Pagans, Infidels, fearefull
and bloody Tyrants: to whom notwith∣standing
euery soule, and therefore the Bi∣shop
of Rome for one, is commaunded to
submit himselfe, and to professe subiection.
Thus much Chrysostome hath expressely
taught in his Hom. 23. vpon the Epistle to
the Romanes; The Apostle giues this comman∣dement
vnto all: euen to Priests also, and cloiste∣red
Monkes, not onely to secular: be thou an A∣postle,
an Euangelist, a Prophet, &c. Besides,
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it is here worthy to be noted, that howsoe∣uer
the Apostles rule is generall, and there∣fore
bindeth all the faithfull in equal bands;
yet is it particularly, directly, and of pur∣pose
addressed to the Church of Rome by
S. Paul, as by one who in the spirit of an A∣postle
did foresee, that rebellion against
Princes was to rise and spring from the city
of Rome. Now in case the Head of that
Church by warrant of any priuiledge, con∣tained
in the most holy Register of Gods
holy word, is exempted from the binding
power of this generall precept or rule; did
it not become his Lordship to shew by the
booke, that it is a booke case, and to lay it
forth before that honourable assembly,
who no doubt expected & waited to heare
when it might fal from his learned lips? But
in stead of any such authenticall and cano∣nicall
confirmation, hee flyeth to a sleight
shift, and with a cauill is bold to affirme the
foundation, laid by those of our side, doth
no way touch the knot of the controuersie.
Let vs heare him speake:
Jt is not in contro∣uersie,
whether obedience bee due to Kings by
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Gods Lawe, so long as they are Kings, or acknow∣ledged
for Kings: but our point controuerted, is
whether by Gods Lawe it bee required, that hee
who hath beene once recognised and receiued for
King by the bodie of Estates, can at any time bee
taken and reputed as no King, that is to say, can
doe no manner of act whereby hee may loose his
right, and so cease to be saluted King.
This an∣swer
of the L. Cardinal is the rare deuise, e∣uasion,
and starting hole of the Iesuites. In
whose eares of delicate and tender touch,
King-killing soundeth very harsh: but for∣sooth
to vn-king a King first, and then to
giue him the stabbe, that is a point of iust
and true descant. For to kill a King, once
vn-king'd by deposition, is not killing of a
King. For the present I haue one of that
Iesuiticall Order in prison, who hath face
enough to speak this language of Ashdod,
and to maintaine this doctrine of the Iesu∣ites
Colledges. The L. Cardinal harps vp∣on
the same string. He can like subiection
and obedience to the King, whilest hee sit∣teth
King: but his Holinesse must haue all
power, and giue order withall, to hoyst him
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out of his Royall seate. I therefore now an∣swer,
that in very deed the former passages
of S. Paul and S. Peter should come nothing
neere the question, if the state of the que∣stion
were such as he brings it, made and
forged in his owne shop. But certes the
state of the question is not, whether a King
may doe some act, by reason whereof hee
may fall from his right, or may not any
longer be acknowledged for King. For all
our contention is, concerning the Popes
power to vn-authorize Princes: whereas in
the question framed and fitted by the L.
Card. not a word of the Pope. For were it
graunted and agreed on both sides, that a
King by election might fall from his King∣dome,
yet still the knot of the question
would hold, whether he can bee disposses∣sed
of his Regall authority, by any power
in the Pope; and whether the Pope hath
such fulnesse of power, to strip a King of
those Royall robes, rights, and reuenues of
the Crowne, which were neuer giuen him
by the Pope; as also by what authority of
holy Scripture, the Pope is able to beare
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out himselfe in this power, and to make it
good.
But here the L. Cardinal stoutly saith in
his owne defence by way of reioynder;
As
one text hath, Let euery soule be subiect vnto the
higher powers; in like manner an other text hath,
Obey your Prelates, and be subiect vnto your Pa∣stors:
for they watch ouer your soules, as men that
shall giue an accompt for your soules.
This rea∣son
is void of reason, and makes against
himselfe. For may not Prelates be obeyed
and honoured, without Kings be deposed?
If Prelates preach the doctrine of the Go∣spell,
will they in the pulpit stirre vp sub∣iects
to rebell against Kings? Moreouer,
whereas the vniuersal Church in these daies
is diuided into so many discrepant parts,
that now Prelates neither do nor can draw
all one way; is it not exceeding hard, kee∣ping
our obedience towards God, to ho∣nour
them all at once with due obedience?
Nay; is not here offered vnto me a dart out
of the L. Cardinals armorie, to cast at him∣selfe?
For as God chargeth all men with o∣bedience
to Kings, and yet from that com∣maundement
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of God, the Lord Cardinal
would not haue it inferred, that Kings haue
power to degrade Ecclesiasticall Prelates:
euen so God giueth charge to obey Pre∣lates,
yet doth it not followe from hence,
that Prelates haue power to depose Kings.
These two degrees of obedience agree
well together, and are each of them boun∣ded
with peculiar and proper limits.
But for so much as in this point, we haue
on our side the whole auncient Church,
which, albeit she liued and groned for ma∣ny
ages together vnder heathen Empe∣rours,
heretikes, and persecuters, did neuer
so much as whisper a word about rebelling
and falling from their Soueraigne Lords,
and was neuer by any mortall creature fre¦ed
from the oath of allegiance to the Em∣perour;
the Cardinal is not vnwilling to
graunt, that ancient Christians in those
times were bound to performe such fideli∣ty
& allegiance, for as much as the Church
(the Cardinal for shame durst not say the
Pope) then had not absolued them of their
oath. No doubt a pleasant dreame, or a
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merry conceit rather, to imagine the Bi∣shop
of Rome was armed with power to
take away the Empire of the world from
Nero, or Claudius, or Domitianus; to
whom it was not knowne, whether the ci∣tie
of Rome had any Bishop at all. Is it not
a master-iest, of a straine most ridiculous,
to presuppose the Grand-masters and abso∣lute
Lords of the whole world, had a sent
so dull, that they were not able to smel out,
and to nose things vnder their owne noses?
that they saw so little with other mens eies
and their owne, that within their capitall
citie, they could not spie that Soueraigne
armed with ordinary and lawfull authority
to degrade, and to turne them out of their
renowned Empire? Doubtlesse the said
Emperours, vassals belike of the Popes
Empire, are to be held excused for not ac∣knowledging
and honouring the Pope in
quality of their Lord, as became his vassals;
because they did not know there was any
such power in the world, as after-times
haue magnified and adored vnder the qua∣litie
of Pope. For the Bishops of Rome in
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those times, were of no greater authoritie,
power, and meanes, then some of the Bi∣shops
are in these daies within my King∣domes.
But certes those Popes of that primitiue
age, thought it not expedient in the said
times to drawe their swords: they exerci∣sed
their power in a more mild and soft
kind of cariage toward those miserable Em∣perours,
for three seuerall reasons alledged
by the L. Cardinall.
The first: because the Bishops then durst
not by their censures whet and prouoke
those Emperous, for feare of plunging the
Church in a Sea of persecutions. But if I be
not cleane voide of common sense, this rea∣son
serueth to charge not only the Bishops
of Rome, but all the auncient professors of
Christ besides, with deepe dissimulation
and hypocrisie. For it is all one as if he had
professed, that all their obedience to their
Soueraignes, was but counterfeit, and ex∣torted,
or wrung out of them by force: that
all the submissiue supplications of the aun∣cient
Fathers, the assured testimonies and
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pledges of their allegiance, humilitie, and
patience, were but certaine formes of dis∣guised
speech, proceeding not freely from
the suggestions of fidelity, but faintly and
fainedly, or at least from the strong twit∣ches
& violent convulsions of feare. Wher∣upon
it followes, that all their torments and
punishments, euen to the death, are
wrongfully honoured with the title, and
crowned with the crowne of Martyrdome;
because their patience proceeded not from
their owne free choice and election, but
was taught by the force of necessitie, as by
compulsion: and whereas they had not
mutinously and rebelliously risen in arms,
to asswage the scorching heat and burning
flames of tyrannicall persecuters, it was not
for want of will, but for lacke of power.
Which false and forged imputation, the
Fathers haue cleared themselues of in their
writings. Tertullian in his Apologet: All
places are full of Christians,the cities, isles, castles,
burroughs, armies, &c. If we that are so infinite
a power, and multitude of men, had broken from
you into some remote nooke or corner of the
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world, the cities no doubt had become naked and
solitarie: there had beene a dreadfull and horri∣ble
silence ouer the face of the whole Empire: the
great Emperours had beene driuen to seeke out
newe cities, and to discouer newe nations, ouer
whom to beare Soueraigne sway and rule: there
had remained more enemies to the State, then
subiects and friends. Cyprian also against
Demetrianus: None of vs all, howsoeuer wee
are a people mighty and without number, haue
made resistance against any of your vniust and
wrongfull actions, executed with all violence;
neither haue sought by rebellious armes, or by any
other sinister practises, to crie quittance with you
at any time for the righting of our selues. Certain
it is, that vnder Iulianus, the whole Empire
in a manner professed the Christian Religi∣on;
yea, that his Leiftenants and great
Commanders, as Iovinianus, and Valenti∣nianus
by name, professed Christ. Which
two Princes not long after attained to the
Imperiall dignitie, but might haue solicited
the Pope sooner to degrade Iulianus from
the Imperiall Throne. For say that Iulians
whole army had renounced the Christian
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Religion: (as the L. Cardinall against all
shew and appearance of truth would beare
vs in hand, and contrary to the generall
voice of the said whole army, making this
profession with one consent when Iulian
was dead,Wee are all Christians:) yet Italie
then persisting in the faith of Christ, and
the army of Iulian then lying quartered in
Persia, the vtmost limit of the Empire to
the East, the Bishop of Rome had fit op∣portunity
to drawe the sword of his autho∣rity
(if he had then any such sword hang∣ing
at his Pontificall side) to make Iulian
feele the sharpe edge of his weapon, and
thereby to pull him downe from the state∣ly
pearch of the Romane Empire. I say
moreouer, that by this generall and sud∣daine
profession of the whole Caesarian ar∣my,
We are all Christians, it is clearely testifi∣ed,
that if his army or souldiers were then
addicted to Paganisme, it was wrought by
compulsion, and cleane contrary to their
setled perswasion before: and then it fol∣lowes,
that with greater patience they
would haue borne the deposing of Iulian,
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then if hee had suffered them to vse the li∣bertie
of their conscience. To bee short in
the matter; S. Augustine makes all whole,
and by his testimonie doth euince, that Iu∣lians
army perseuered in the faith of Christ.
The souldiers of Christ serued a heathen Empe∣rour:But when the cause of Christ was called in
question, they acknowledged none but Christ in
heauen: When the Emperour would haue them to
serue, and to perfume his idols with frankincense,
they gaue obedience to God, rather then to the
Emperour. After which words, the very same
words alledged by the L. Cardinall against
himselfe doe followe:They did then distin∣guish
betweene the Lord eternall, and the Lord
temporall: neuerthelesse they were subiect vnto
the Lord temporall, for the Lord eternall. It was
therefore to pay God his duty of obedi∣ence,
and not for feare to incense the Em∣perour,
or to drawe persecution vpon the
Church (as the L. Cardinall would make
vs beleeue) that Christians of the Primitiue
Church and Bishops by their censures, durst
not anger and prouoke their Emperours.
But his Lordship by his coloured preten∣ces
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doth manifestly prouoke and stirre vp
the people to rebellion, so soone as they
knowe their owne strength to beare out a
rebellious practise. Whereupon it followes,
that in case their conspiracie shall take no
good effect, all the blame and fault must
lie, not in their disloyalty and treason, but
in the badde choice of their times for the
best aduantage, and in the want of taking a
true sight of their owne weakenesse. Let
stirring spirits be trained vp in such practi∣call
precepts, let desperate wits be seasoned
with such rules of discipline; and what need
we, or how can we wonder they contriue
powder—conspiracies, and practise the
damnable art of parricides?
After Iulian, his Lordship falles vpon
Valentinian the younger, who maintai∣ning
Arrianisme with great and open vio∣lence,
might haue beene deposed by the
Christians from his Empire, and yet (say
we) they neuer dream'd of any such pra∣ctise.
Here the L. Cardinal maketh answer:
The Christians mooued with respect vnto the
fresh memory both of the brother and father, as
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also vnto the weake estate of the sonnes young
yeeres, abstained from all counsels and courses of
sharper effect and operation.
To which answer
I reply: these are but friuolous coniectures,
deuised and framed to tickle his owne fan∣cie.
For had Valentinianus the younger
beene the sonne of an Arrian, and had then
also attained to threescore yeeres of age,
they would neuer haue borne themselues
in other fashion then they did, towards
their Emperour. Then the Cardinal goeth
on: The people would not abandon the
factious and seditious party, but were so
firme or obstinate rather for the faction,
that Valentinian for feare of the tumultu∣ous
vproares was constrained to giue way,
and was threatened by the souldiers, that
except hee would adhere vnto the Catho∣likes,
they would yeeld him no assistance,
nor stand for his partie. Now this answer
of the L. Cardinall makes nothing to the
purpose, concerning the Popes power to
pull downe Kings from their stately nest.
Let vs take notice of his proper conse∣quence.
Valentinian was afraid of the po∣pular
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tumult at Milan: the Pope therefore
hath power to curbe hereticall Kings by
deposition. Now marke what distance is
betweene Rome and Milan, what diffe∣rence
betweene the people of Milan, and
the Bishop of Rome; betweene a popular
tumult, and a iudicatory sentence; between
fact and right, things done by the people or
souldiers of Milan, and things to bee done
according to right and law by the Bishop of
Rome; the same distance, the same diffe∣rence
(if not farre greater) is betweene the
L. Cardinals antecedent and his conse∣quent,
betweene his reason, and the maine
cause or argument which we haue in hand.
The madde commotion of the people was
not here so much to be regarded, as the sad
instruction of the Pastor, of their good and
godly Pastor S. Ambrose, so far from heart∣ning
the people of Milan to rebell, that be∣ing
Bishop of Milan, he offered himselfe to
suffer Martyrdome: If the Emperour abuse his
Imperiall authoritie, (for so Theodoret hath
recited his words) to tyrannize thereby, here
am I ready to suffer death. And what resistance
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he made against his L. Emperour, was only
by way of supplication in these tearmes: We
beseech thee, O Augustus, as humble suppliants;
we offer no resistance: we are not in feare, but we
flie to supplication. Againe, If my patrimony be
your marke,enter vpon my patrimonie: if my bo∣die,
I will goe and meet my torments. Shall I bee
drag'd to prison or to death? I will take delight in
both. Item, in his Oration to Auxentius: J
can afflict my soule with sorrowe,I can lament, J
can send forth grieuous groanes: My weapons a∣gainst
either of both, souldiers or Goths, are
teares: A Priest hath none other weapons of de∣fence:
I neither can resist, nor ought in any other
manner to make resistance.
Iustinian Emperour in his old age fell
into the heresie of the Aphthartodocites.
Against Iustinian, though fewe they were
that fauoured him in that heresie, the Bi∣shop
of Rome neuer darted with violence
any sentence of Excommunication, inter∣diction,
or deposition.
The Ostrogot Kings in Italy, the Visi∣got
in Spaine, the Vandal in Africa were all
addicted to the Arrian impietie, and some
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of them cruelly persecuted the true profes∣sors.
The Visigot and Vandall were no
neighbours to Italie. The Pope thereby
had the lesse cause to feare the stings of
those waspes, if they had been angred. The
Pope for all that neuer had the humour to
wrastle or iustle with any of the said Kings
in the cause of deposing them from their
Thrones. But especially the times when the
Vandals in Affricke, and the Goths in Italy
by Belisarius and Narses, professors of the
Orthodoxe faith, were tyred with long
warres, and at last were vtterly defeated in
bloodie battels, are to be considered. Then
were the times or neuer, for the Pope to
vnsheath his weapons, and to vn-case his
arrowes of deposition; then were the times
to drawe them out of his quiuer, and to
shoote at all such Arrian Heads: then were
the times by dispensations to release their
subiects of their oathes, by that perempto∣ry
meanes to aide and strengthen the Ca∣tholike
cause. But in that age the said wea∣pons
were not knowne to haue been ham∣mered
in the Pontificall forge.
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Gregory I. made his boasts, that he was
able to ruine the Lombards, (for many
yeeres together sworne enemies to the Bi∣shops
of Rome) their state present, and the
hope of all their future prosperity. But hee
telleth vs, that by the feare of God before
his eyes and in his heart, he was bridled and
restrained from any such intent, as elswhere
we haue obserued:If J would haue medled
with practising and procuring the death of the
Lombards,the whole nation of the Lombards at
this day had been robbed of their Kings, Dukes,
Earles, they had beene reduced to the tearmes of
extreame confusion. Hee might at least haue
deposed their King, (if the credit of the L.
Cardinals iudgement bee currant) with∣out
polluting or stayning his owne consci∣ence.
What can we tearm this assertion of the
L. Cardinall, but open charging the most
auncient Bishops of Rome with crueltie,
when they would not succour the Church
of Christ oppressed by tyrants, whose op∣pression
they had power to represse by de∣posing
the oppressors. Is it credible, that Ie∣sus
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Christ hath giuen a Commission to S.
Peter and his successors for so many ages,
without any power to execute their Com∣mission,
or to make any vse thereof by pra∣ctise?
Is it credible, that he hath giuen them
a sword to be kept in the scabbard, without
drawing once in a thousand yeeres? Is it
credible, that in the times when Popes
were most deboshed, abandoning them∣selues
to all sorts of corrupt and vitious
courses, as it testified by their own flaterers
and best affected seruants; is it credible that
in those times they beganne to vnderstand
the vertue and strength of their Commissi∣on?
For if either feare or lacke of power,
was the cause of holding their hands, and
voluntarie binding of themselues to the
peace or good behauiour: wherefore is not
some one Pope at least produced, who hath
complained that he was hindered from ex∣ecuting
the power that Christ had confer∣red
vpon his Pontificall See? Wherefore is
not some one of the auncient and holy Fa∣thers
alledged, by whom the Pope hath bin
aduised and exhorted to take courage, to
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stand vpon the vigor and sinewes of his Pa¦pall
Office, to vnsheath and vnease his
bolts of thunder against vngodly Princes,
and grieuous enemies to the Church?
wherefore liuing vnder Christian and gra∣cious
Emperours, haue they not made
knowne the reasons, why they were hind∣red
from drawing the pretended sword;
least long custome of not vsing the sword
so many ages, might make it so to rust in
the scabbard, that when there should bee
occasion to vse the said sword, it could not
be drawne at all; and least so long custome
of not vsing the same, should confirme
prescription to their greater preiudice? If
weakenes bee a iust let, how is it come to
passe, that Popes haue enterprised to de∣pose
Philip the Faire, Lewis the XII. and
Elizabeth my predecessor of happy me∣morie;
(to let passe others) in whom expe∣rience
hath well prooued, how great ine∣qualitie
was between their strengths? Yea,
for the most part from thence growe most
grieuous troubles and warres, which iustly
recoyle and light vpon his owne head; as
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happened to Gregory the VII. and Boni∣face
the VIII. This no doubt is the reason,
wherefore the Pope neuer sets in (for feare
of such inconueniences) to blast a King
with lightning and thunder of deposition,
but when he perceiues the troubled waters
of the Kingdome by some strong faction
setled in his Estate; or when the King is
confined, and bordered by some Prince
more potent, who thirsteth after the prey, &
is euer gaping for some occasion to picke a
quarrell. The King standing in such estate,
is it not as easie for the Pope to pull him
downe, as it is for a man with one hand to
thrust downe a tottering wall, when the
groundsil is rotten, the studdes vnpind and
nodding or bending towards the ground?
But if the King shall beare down and break
the faction within the Realme; if hee shall
get withall the vpper hand of his enemies
out of the Kingdome; then the holy Fa∣ther
presents him with pardons neuer sued
for, neuer asked; and in a fathers indul∣gence
forsooth, giues him leaue stil to hold
the Kingdome, that he was not able by all
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his force to wrest and wring out of his
hand, no more then the clubbe of Hercu∣les
out of his fist. How many worthy Prin∣ces,
incensed by the Pope, to conspire a∣gainst
Soueraigne Lords their Masters,
and by open rebellion to worke some
change in their Estates, haue miscarried in
the action, with losse of life, or honour, or
both? For example; Rodulphus Duke of
Sueuia was eg'd on by the Pope, against
Henrie IIII. of that name, Emperour.
How many massacres, how many desolati∣ons
of cities and townes, how many bloo∣dy
battels ensued thereupon? Let histories
be searched, let iust accompts be taken, and
beside sieges laid to cities, it wil appeare by
true computation, that Henrie IIII. and
Frederic the I. fought aboue threescore
battels, in defence of their owne right a∣gainst
enemies of the Empire, stirred vp
to armes by the Popes of Rome. How
much Christian blood was then split in
these bloody battels, it passeth mans witte,
penne, or tongue to expresse. And to giue
a little touch vnto matters at home; doth
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not his Holinesse vnderstand right well the
weakenesse of Papists in my Kingdome?
Doth not his Holinesse neuerthelesse ani∣mate
my Papists to rebellion, and forbid
my Papists to take the oath of allegiance?
Doth not his Holinesse by this means draw
(so much as in him lieth) persecution vpon
the backes of my Papists as vpon rebells,
and expose their life as it were vpon the o∣pen
stall, to be sold at a very easie price? All
these examples, either ioynt or seuerall, are
manifest and euident proofes, that feare to
drawe mischiefe and persecution vpon the
Church, hath not barred the Popes from
thundering against Emperours and Kings,
whensoeuer they conceiued any hope, by
their fulminations to aduance their great∣nesse.
Last of all; I referre the matter to the
most possessed with preiudice, euen the
very aduersaries, whether this doctrine, by
which people are trained vp in subiection
vnto Infidel or hereticall Kings, vntill the
subiects be of sufficient strength to mate
their Kings, to expell their Kings, and to
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depose them from their Kingdomes, doth
not incense the Turkish Emperours and o∣ther
Infidel Princes, to roote out all the
Christians that drawe in their yoke, as peo∣ple
that waite onely for a fit occasion to re∣bell,
and to take themselues ingaged for o∣bedience
to their Lords, onely by con∣straint
and seruile feare. Let vs therefore
now conclude with Ozius, in that famous
Epistle speaking to Constantius an Arrian
hereticke:As hee that by secret practise or o∣pen
violence would bereaue thee of thy Empire,
should violate Gods ordinance: so be thou touched
with feare, least, by vsurping authoritie ouer
Church matters, thou tumble not headlong into
some hainous crime. Where this holy Bishop
hath not vouchsafed to insert and mention
the L. Cardinals exception; to wit, the right
of the Church alwaies excepted and saued,
when she shall be of sufficient strength to
shake off the yoke of Emperours. Neither
speaks the same holy Bishop of priuate per∣sons
alone, or men of some particular con∣dition
and calling; but he setteth downe a
generall rule for all degrees, neuer to im∣peach
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Imperial Maiestie vpon any pretext
whatsoeuer.
As his Lordships first reason drawn from
weakenesse is exceeding weake: so is that
which the L. Cardinall takes vp in the next
place:
He telleth vs there is very great diffe∣rence
betweene Pagan Emperours, and Christian
Princes: Pagan Emperours who neuer did ho∣mage
to Christ, who neuer were by their subiects
receiued, with condition to acknowledge perpetu∣all
subiection vnto the Empire of Christ; who ne∣uer
were bound by oath and mutuall contract be∣tweene
Prince and subiect. Christian Princes who
slide backe by Apostasie, degenerate by Arria∣nisme,
or fall away by Mahometisme.
Touching
the latter of these two, (as his Lordshippe
saith)
If they shall as it were take an oath, and
make a vowe contrary to their first oath and vow
made and taken when they were installed, and
contrary to the condition vnder which they recei∣ued
the Scepter of their Fathers; if they withall
shall turne persecutors of the Catholike religion;
touching these I say, the L. Cardinal holds,
that without question they may be remoo∣ued
from their Kingdomes. He telleth vs
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not by whome, but euery where he mea∣neth
by the Pope. Touching Kings depo∣sed
by the Pope vnder pretence of stupi∣dity,
as Childeric; or of matrimoniall cau∣ses,
as Philip I. or for collating of benefi∣ces,
as Philip the Faire; not one word. By
that point he easily glideth, and shuffles it
vp in silence, for feare of distasting the
Pope on the one side, or his auditors on
the other.
Now in alledging this reason, his Lord∣ship
makes all the world a witnesse, that in
deposing of Kings, the Pope hath no eye of
regard to the benefit and securitie of the
Church. For such Princes as neuer suckt o∣ther
milke then that of Infidelitie, and per∣secution
of Religion, are no lesse noisome
and pernicious vermin to the Church, then
if they had sucked of the Churches breasts.
And as for the greatnesse of the sinne or
offence, it seemes to me there is very little
difference in the matter. For a Prince that
neuer did sweare any religious obedience
to Iesus Christ, is bound no lesse to such o∣bedience,
then if he had taken a solemne
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oath. As the sonne that rebelliously stands
vp against his father, is in equall degree of
sinne, whether he hath sworn or not sworn
obedience to his father: because hee is
bound to such obedience, not by any vo∣luntarie
contract or couenant, but by the
law of Nature. The commaundement of
God to kisse the Sonne, whom the Father
hath confirmed and ratified King of Kings,
doth equally bind all Kings, as wel Pagans
as Christians. On the other side, who de∣nies,
who doubts, that Constantius Empe∣rour
at his first steppe or entrance into the
Empire, did not sweare and bind himselfe
by solemne vowe, to keepe the rules and
to maintaine the precepts of the Orthodox
faith, or that he did not receiue his fathers
Empire vpon such condition? This not∣withstanding,
the Bishop of Rome pulled
not Constantius from his Imperial throne,
but Constantius remooued the Bishop of
Rome from his Papall See. And were it so,
that an oath taken by a King at his conse∣cration,
and after violated, is a sufficient
cause for the Pope to depose an Apostate or
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hereticall Prince; then by good conse∣quence
the Pope may in like sort depose a
King, who beeing neither dead in Aposta∣sie,
nor sicke of heresie, doth neglect one∣ly
the due administration of iustice to his
loyall subiects. For his oath taken at con∣secration
importeth likewise, that he shall
minister iustice to his people. A point
wherein the holy Father is held short by
the L. Cardinall, who dares prescribe new
lawes to the Pope, and presumes to limit
his fulnesse of power, within certaine meeres
and head-lands, extending the Popes pow∣er
only to the deposing of Christian Kings,
when they turne Apostats forsaking the
Catholike faith; and not such Princes as ne∣uer
breathed any thing but pure Paga∣nisme,
and neuer serued vnder the colours
of Iesus Christ. Meane while his Lordship
forgets, that King Attabaliba was deposed
by the Pope from his Kingdome of Peru,
and the said Kingdome was conferred vp∣on
the King of Spaine, though the said
poore King of Peru, neuer forsook his hea∣then
superstition; and though the turning
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of him out of his terrestrial Kingdome was
no way to conuert him vnto the faith of
Christ. Yea his Lordship a little after tel∣leth
vs himselfe, that Be the Turkes possession
in the conquests that hee maketh ouer Christians
neuer so auncient, yet by no long tract of time
whatsoeuer, can he gaine so much as a thumbes
breadth of prescription: that is to say, the Turke
for all that is but a disseisor, one that vio∣lently
and wilfully keeps an other man
from his owne, and by good right may be
dispossessed of the same: whereas notwith∣standing
the Turkish Emperours neuer fa∣uoured
nor sauoured Christianitie. Let vs
runne ouer the examples of Kings whome
the Pope hath dared and presumed to de∣pose;
and hardly will any one be found, of
whome it may be truely auouched, that he
hath taken an oath contrary to his oath of
subiection to Iesus Christ, or that hee hath
wilfully cast himselfe into Apostaticall de∣fection.
And certes to any man that weighs the
matter with due consideration, it will be
found apparantly false, that Kings of France
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haue been receiued of their subiects at any
time, with condition to serue Iesus Christ.
They were actually Kings before they
came foorth to the solemnity of their sa∣cring,
before they vsed any stipulation or
promise to their subiects. For in heredita∣ry
Kingdomes, (nothing more certain, no∣thing
more vncontroulable) the Kings
death instantly maketh liuery and seisin of
the Royalty, to his next successor. Nor is
it materiall to reply, that a King succeeding
by right of inheritance, takes an oath in the
person of his predecessor. For euery oath
is personall, proper to the person by whom
it is taken: and to God no liuing creature
can sweare, that his owne sonne or his heire
shall prooue an honest man. Well may the
father, and with great solemnitie, promise
that he will exhort his heire apparant with
all his power and the best of his endea∣uours,
to feare God and to practise pietie.
If the fathers oath be agreeable to the du∣ties
of godlines, the sonne is bound there∣by,
whether he take an oath, or take none.
On the other side, if the fathers oath come
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from the puddles of impietie, the sonne is
bound thereby to goe the contrarie way.
If the fathers oath concerne things of indif∣ferent
nature, and such as by the varietie or
change of times, become either pernicious
or impossible; then it is free for the Kings
next successor and heire, prudently to fit
and proportion his lawes vnto the times
present, and to the best benefit of the
Commonwealth.
When I call these things to mind with
some attention, I am out of all doubt his
Lordship is very much to seek, in the right
sense and nature of his Kings oath taken at
his Coronation, to defend the Church and
to perseuere in the Catholike faith. For
what is more vnlike and lesse credible then
this conceit, that after Clouis had raigned
15. yeeres in the state of Paganisme, and
then receiued holy Baptisme, he should
become Christian vpon this condition,
That in case hee should afterward revolt
from the faith, it should then bee in the
power of the Church, to turne him out
of his Kingdome? But had any such con∣ditionall
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stipulation beene made by Clo∣uis,
in very good earnest and truth; yet
would hee neuer haue intended, that his
deposing should be the act of the Romane
Bishop, but rather of those (whether Peeres,
or people, or whole body of the State) by
whom he had been aduanced to the King∣dome.
Let vs heare the truth, and this is
the truth: It is farre from the customarie
vse in France, for their Kings to take any
such oath, or to vse any such stipulation
with their subiects. If any King or Prince
wheresoeuer, doth vse an oath or solemne
promise in these expresse tearmes, Let mee
loose my Kingdome, or my life, be that day my last
both for life and raigne, when I shall first reuolt
from the Christian religion: by these words
he calleth vpon God for vengeance, he v∣seth
imprecation against his owne head:
but he makes not his Crowne to stoope by
this meanes, to any power in the Pope, or
in the Church, or in the people.
And touching inscriptions vpon coines,
of which point his Lordship speaketh by
the way; verily the nature of the money or
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coine (the stamping and minting whereof
is one of the markes of the Prince his dig∣nity
and Soueraignty) is not changed by
bearing the letters of Christs name, on the
reuerse or on the front. Such characters of
Christs name, are aduertisements and in∣structions
to the people, that in shewing
and yeelding obedience vnto the King,
they are obedient vnto Christ; and those
Princes likewise, who are so well aduised to
haue the most sacred names inscribed and
printed in their coines, doe take and ac∣knowledge
Iesus Christ for supreame King
of Kings. The said holy characters are no
representation or profession, that any
Kings Crown dependeth vpon the Church,
or can be taken away by the Pope. The L.
Cardinal indeed so beareth vs in hand. But
he inuerts the words of Iesus Christ, and
wrings them out of the right ioynt. For
Christ without all ambiguity and circum∣locution,
by the image and inscription of
the money, doth directly and expressely
prooue Caesar to be free from subiection,
and intirely Soueraigne. Now if such a su∣preme
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and Soueraigne Prince, at any time
shal bandie and combine against God, and
thereby shall become a rebellious and per∣fidious
Prince; doubtlesse for such disloy∣alty
he shall deserue, that God would take
from him all hope of life eternall: and yet
hereby neither Pope nor people hath rea∣son
to be puft vp, in their power to depriue
him of his temporall Kingdome.
The L. Cardinal saith besides:
The cham∣pions
of the Popes power to depose Kings, doe
expound that commandement of S. Paul, where∣by
euery soule is made subiect vnto the superiour
powers, to be a prouisionall precept or caution ac∣commodated
to the times; and to stand in force, on∣ly
vntill the Church was growne in strength vnto
such a scantling, that it might be in the power of
the faithfull, without shaking the pillars of Chri∣stian
state, to stand in the breach, and cautelously
to prouide that none but Christian Princes might
be receiued: according to the Law in Deut. Thou
shalt make thee a King frō among thy brethren.
The reason whereupon they ground is this:
Because Paul saith, It is a shame for Christians
to bee iudged vnder vniust Infidels, in matters
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or busines, which they had one against an other.
For which inconuenience, Iustinian after prouided
by Lawe; when he ordained that no Infidell nor
heretike might be admitted to the administration
of iustice in the Commonwealth.
In which words of the Cardinall, the
word Receiued, is to be obserued especially
and aboue the rest. For by chopping in
that word, he doth nimbly and with a trick
of legier-de-main, transforme or change
the very state of the question. For the que∣stion
or issue of the cause, is not about re∣ceiuing,
establishing, or choosing a Prince;
(as in those Nations where the Kingdome
goes by election) but about doing homage
to the Prince, when God hath setled him
in the Kingdome, and hath cast it vpon a
Prince by hereditary succession. For that
which is written, Thou shalt make thee a
King, doth no way concerne and touch the
people of France in these dayes: because
the making of their King hath not of long
time been tyed to their election. The pas∣sage
therefore in Deuteron▪ makes nothing
to the purpose; no more then doth Iustini∣ans
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law. For it is our free and voluntary
confession, that a Christian Prince is to
haue speciall care of the Laws, and to pro∣uide
that no vnbeleeuer be made Lord
Cheife-Iustice of the Land, that no Infidell
be put in trust with administration of iu∣stice
to the people. But here the issue doth
not direct vs to speake of Delegates, of sub∣ordinate
Magistrates, and such as are in
Commission from the Prince, but of the
supreame Prince himselfe, the Soueraigne
Magistrate ordained by nature, and confir∣med
by succession. Our question is, whe∣ther
such a Prince can be vnthroned by the
Pope, by whom he was not placed in the
Throne; and whether the Pope can de∣spoile
such a Prince, of that Royaltie which
was neuer giuen him by the Pope, vnder
any pretended colour and imputation of
heresie, of stupiditie, or infringing the pri∣uiledges
of Monasteries, or transgressing
the lawes and lines of holy matrimonie.
Now that Saint Pauls commandement
which bindeth euery soule in the bands of
subiection vnto the higher powers, is no
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precept giuen by way of prouiso, and onely
to serue the times, but a standing and a
perpetuall rule, it is hereby more then ma∣nifest.
S. Paul hath grounded this com∣mandement
vpon certaine reasons, not on∣ly
constant and permanent by their pro∣per
nature, but likewise necessary for euery
state, condition, and revolution of the
times. His reasons; Because all powers are or∣dained
of God: because resisting of powers is resi∣sting
the ordinance of God: because the Magi∣strate
beares the sword to execute iustice: because
obedience and subiection to the Magistrate is ne∣cessary,
not onely for feare of his wrath, or feare of
punishment, but also for conscience sake. It is
therefore a case grounded vpon consci∣ence,
it is not a law deuised by humane
wisedome; it is not fashionable to the qua∣lities
of the times. Apostolicall instructions
for the right informing of manners, are not
changeable according to times and sea∣sons.
To vse the L. Cardinals language, and
to followe his fancie in the matter, is to
make way for two pestiferous mischeifes:
First, let it be free and lawfull for Christi∣ans,
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to hold the commanding rules of God
for prouisionall cautions, and what fol∣lowes?
Men are lead into the broad way
of impietie, and the whole Scripture is wi∣ped
of all authority. Then againe, for the
other mischeife: The glorious triumphs of
most blessed Martyrs in their vnspeakeable
torments and sufferings, by the L. Cardi∣nalls
position shall be iudged vnworthy to
weare the title and Crown of Martyrdom.
How so? Because (according to his new fi∣ction)
they haue giuen place to the vio∣lence
and fury of heathen Magistrates, not
in obedience to the necessary and certaine
commaundement of God, but rather to a
prouisionall direction, accommodated to
the humours of the times. And therefore
the L. Cardinall hath vsed none other clay
wherewith to dawbe ouer his deuise, but
plaine falsification of holy Scripture. For
he makes the Apostle say to the Corinthi∣ans,
It is a shame for Christians to be iudged
vnder vnbeleeuing Magistrates: whereas in
that whole context of Paul, there is no such
matter. For when the Apostle saith, I speake
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it euen to your shame; hee doth not say it is a
shame for a beleeuer to be iudged vnder an
Infidel, but he makes thē ashamed of their
vngodly course, and vnchristian practise,
that in suing and impleading one an other,
they laid their actions of contention in the
Courts of vnbeleeuing Iudges. The shame
was not in bearing that yoke which God
had charged their necks withall, but in de∣uouring
and eating vp one an other with
writs of habeas corpus, and with other proces∣ses;
as also in vncouering the shame, in lay∣ing
open the shamefull parts and prankes
played by Christians, before Infidels, to
the great scandall of the Church. Here I
say the L. Cardinall is taken in a tricke of
manifest falsification. If therefore a King
when hee falls to play the heretike, deser∣ueth
to be deposed; why shall not a Cardi∣nall
when hee falls to play the iuggler with
holy Scripture, deserue to be disrobed?
Meane while the indifferent Reader is
to consider, how greatly this doctrine is
preiudiciall, and how full of danger, to
Christians liuing vnder heretical or Pagan
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Princes. For make it once knowne to the
Emperour of Turkes, let him once get ne∣uer
so little a smacke of this doctrine; that
Christians liuing vnder his Empire do take
Gods commaundement, for obedience to
Princes whom they count Infidels, to bee
onely a prouisionall precept for a time, and
wait euery houre for all occasions to shake
off the yoke of his bondage; doubtlesse he
will neuer spare with all speed to roote the
whole stocke, with all the armes and bran∣ches
of Christians, out of his dominions.
Adde hereunto the L. Cardinalls former
determination; that possession kept neuer
so long by the Turk in his Conquests ouer
Christians, gaines him not by so long tract
of time one inch of prescription; and it wil
appeare, that his Lordship puts the Tur∣kish
Emperour in mind, and by his instru∣ction
leades the said Emperour as it were
by the hand, to haue no manner of affiance
in his Christian subiects; and withall to af∣flict
his poore Christians with all sorts of
most grieuous and cruell torments. In this
regard the poore Christians of Graecia and
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Syria, must needes be very little beholden
to his Lordship. As for my selfe, and my
Popish subiects, to whome I am no lesse
then an heretike forsooth; am not I by this
doctrine of the Cardinall, pricked and
whetted against my naturall inclination, to
turne clemencie into rigour; seeing that by
his doctrine my subiects are made to be∣leeue,
they owe me subiection onely by
way of prouiso, and with waiting the occasi∣on
to worke my vtter destruction and final
ruine? the rather, because Turkes, miscre∣ants,
and heretikes are mashalled by the
Cardinall in the same ranke; and heretikes
are counted worse, yea more iustly depose∣able,
then Turkes and Infidels, as irreligi∣ous
breakers and violaters of their oath?
Who seeth not here how great indignitie
is offered to me a Christian King? paralleld
with Infidels, reputed worse then a Turke,
taken for an vsurper of my Kingdomes,
reckoned a Prince, to whom subiects owe
a forced obedience by way of prouision,
vntill they shall haue meanes to shake off
the yoke, and to bare my temples of the
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Crowne, which neuer can be pulled from
the sacred Head, but with losse of the head
it selfe?
Touching the warres vndertaken by the
French, English, and Germaines, in their
expedition for Ierusalem, it appeares by the
issue and euent of the said warres, that God
approoued them not for honourable. That
expedition was a deuise and inuention of
the Pope, whereby he might come to be in∣feoffed
in the Kingdoms of Christian Prin∣ces.
For then al such of the French, English,
or Germaines, as vndertooke the Croisade,
became the Popes meere vassals. Then all
robbers by the high way side, adulterers,
cut-throats, and base bankerupts, were ex∣empted
from the Secular and Ciuil power,
their causes were sped in Consistorian
Courts, so soone as they had gotten the
Crosse on their cassocks or coat-armours,
and had vowed to serue in the expedition
for the Leuant. Then for the Popes plea∣sure
and at his commaundement, whole
countryes were emptied of their Nobles
and common souldiers. Then they made
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long marches into the Leuant. For what
purpose? Onely to die vpon the points of
the Saracens pikes, or by the edge of their
barbarous courtelasses, battle-axes, fauchi∣ons,
and other weapons, without any be∣nefit
and aduantage to themselues or o∣thers.
Then the Nobles were driuen to sell
their goodly Mannors, and auncient de∣maines
to the Church-men, at vnder prises
and low rates; the very roote from which
a great part of the Church and Church∣mens
reuenewes hath sprung and growne
to so great height. Then, to bee short, his
most bountifull Holinesse gaue to any of
the riffe-raffe-ranke, that would vndertake
this expedition into the Holy land, a free
and full pardon for all his sinnes, besides a
degree of glory aboue the vulgar in the
Celestiall Paradise. Military vertue, I con∣fesse,
is commendable and honourable;
prouided it be employed for iustice, and
that generous noblenesse of valiant spirits
be not vnder a colour and shadow of piety,
fetcht ouer with some casts or deuises of I∣talian
cunning.
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Now let vs obserue the wisedome of
the L. Cardinall through this whole dis∣course.
His Lordship is pleased in his Ora∣tion,
to cite certaine few passages of Scrip∣ture,
culls and picks them out for the most
gracefull in shewe: leaues out of his list
whole troupes of honourable witnesses,
vpon whose testimonie, the Popes them∣selues
and their principall adherents doe
build his power to depose Kings, and to
giue order for all Temporall causes. Take
a sight of their best and most honourable
witnesses. Peter said to Christ, See here two
swords; and Christ answered, It is sufficient.
Christ said to Peter,Put vp thy sword into thy
sheath. God said to Ieremie, I haue establi∣shed
thee ouer Nations and Kingdomes. Paul
said to the Corinthians, The spirituall man
discerneth all things. Christ said to his Apo∣stles,
Whatsoeuer yee shall loose vpon earth: by
which words the Pope hath power forsooth
to loose the oath of allegiance. Moses said,
In the beginning God created the heauen and the
earth. Vpon these passages, Pope Boniface
8. grapling and tugging with Philip the
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Faire, doth build his Temporall power. O∣ther
Popes and Papists auouch the like au∣thorities.
Christ said of himself, All things
are giuen to me of my Father, and all power is gi∣uen
vnto me in heauen and in earth. The De∣uils
said, If thou cast vs out, send vs into this
herd of swine. Christ said to his Disciples, Yee
shall finde the colt of an asse bound, loose it and
bring it vnto me. By these places the aduer∣saries
prooue, that Christ disposed of Tem∣porall
matters; and inferre thereupon, why
not Christs Vicar as well as Christ himselfe.
The places and testimonies now following
are very expresse: In stead of thy fathers shall
be thy children:thou shalt make them Princes
through all the earth. Item, Iesus Christ not
onely commaunded Peter to feed his lambs;
but said also to Peter, Arise, kill, and eat: the
pleasant glosse, the rare inuention of the L.
Cardinall Baronius. Christ said to the peo∣ple,
If I were lift vp from the earth, I wil draw
all things vnto me. Who lets, what hinders
this place from fitting the Pope? Paul said
to the Corinthians, Know ye not that we shall
iudge the Angels? how much more then the things
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that pertaine vnto this life? A little after, Haue
not wee power to eate? These are the chiefe
passages, on which as vpon maine arches,
the roofe of Papall Monarchie, concerning
Temporall causes, hath rested for three or
foure ages past. And yet his Lordship durst
not repose any confidence in their firme
standing to beare vp the said roofe of Tem∣porall
Monarchie, for feare of making his
auditors to burst with laughter. A wise part
without question, if his Lordship had not
defiled his lips before, with a more ridicu∣lous
argument drawne from the leprosie
and drie scab.
Let vs now by way of comparison be∣hold
Iesus Christ paying tribute vnto Cae∣sar,
and the Pope making Caesar to pay him
tribute: Iesus Christ perswading the Iewes
to pay tribute vnto an heathen Emperour,
and the Pope dispensing with subiects for
their obedience to Christian Emperours:
Iesus Christ refusing to arbitrate a contro∣uersie
of inheritance partable betweene
two priuate parties, and the Pope thrusting
in himselfe without warrant or Commissi∣on
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to be absolute Iudge in the deposing of
Kings: Iesus Christ professing that his
Kingdome is not of this world, and the
Pope establishing himselfe in a terrene
Empire. In like manner the Apostles forsa∣king
all their goods to followe Christ, and
the Pope robbing Christians of their
goods; the Apostles persecuted by Pagan
Emperours, and the Pope now setting his
foote on the very throate of Christian Em∣perours,
then proudly treading Imperiall
Crownes vnder his feete. By this compa∣rison,
the L. Cardinals allegation of Scrip∣ture
in fauour of his Master the Pope, is
but a kind of puppet-play, to make Iesus
Christ a mocking stocke, rather then to sa∣tisfie
his auditors with any sound precepts
and wholesome instructions. Hereof hee
seemeth to giue some inckling himselfe.
For after he hath beene plentifull in citing
authorities of Scripture, and of newe Do∣ctors,
which make for the Popes power to
depose Kings; at last he comes in with a
faire and open confession, that neither by
diuine Oracles, nor by honourable anti∣quitie,
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this controuersie hath beene yet de∣termined:
and so pulls downe in a word
with one hand, the frame of worke that he
had built and set vp before with an other:
discouering withal the reluctation and pri∣uie
checkes of his owne conscience.
There yet remaineth one obiection, the
knot whereof the L. Cardinall in a man∣ner
sweateth to vntie. His words be these:
The champions for the negatiue flie to the analo∣gie
of other proceedings and practises in the
Chruch. They affirme that priuate persons, ma∣sters
or owners of goods and possessions among
the common people, are not depriued of their goods
for heresie; and consequently that Princes much
more should not for the same crime bee depriued
of their estates.
For answer to this reason, he
brings in the defendants of deposition,
speaking after this manner:
In the Kingdom
of France the strict execution of lawes decreed in
Court against heretickes, is fauourably suspended
and stopped, for the preseruation of peace and
publike tranquilitie.
He saith elsewhere,
Con∣niuence
is vsed towards these heretikes in regard
of their multitude, because a notable part of the
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French Nation and State is made all of heretikes.
I suppose that out of speciall charitie, hee
would haue those heretikes of his own ma∣king,
forewarned what courteous vse and
intreaty they are to expect; when hee affir∣meth
that execution of the lawes is but su∣spended.
For indeed suspensions hold but
for a time. But in a cause of that nature and
importance, I dare promise my selfe, that
my most honoured Brother the King of
France, will make vse of other counsell:
will rather seek the amitie of his neighbour
Princes, and the peace of his Kingdom: will
beare in minde the great and faithfull ser∣uice
of those, who in matter of religion dis∣sent
from his Maiestie, as of the onely men
that haue preserued and saued the Crowne
for the King his Father, of most glorious
memorie. I am perswaded my Brother of
France will beleeue, that his liege people
pretended by the L. Cardinall to be here∣tikes,
are not halfe so bad as my Romane
Catholike subiects, who by secret practises
vnder-mine my life, serue a forraine Soue∣raigne,
are discharged by his Bulls of their
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obedience due to me their naturall Soue∣raigne,
are bound (by the maximes and
rules published and maintained in fauour
of the Pope, before this full and famous as∣sembly
of the Estate at Paris; if the said
maximes be of any weight and authoritie)
to hold me for no lawfull King, are there
taught and instructed that Pauls comman∣dement
concerning subiection vnto the
higher powers, aduerse to their professed
religion, is onely a prouisionall precept,
framed to the times, and watching for the
opportunitie to shake off the yoake. All
which notwithstanding, I deale with such
Romane-Catholiks by the rules and waies
of Princely clemencie; their hainous and
pernicious error, in effect no lesse then the
capitall crime of high treason, I vse to call
some disease or distemper of the mind. Last
of all, I beleeue my said Brother of France
will set downe in his tables, as in record,
how little he standeth ingaged to the Lord
Cardinal in this behalfe. For those of the
reformed Religion professe and proclaim,
that next vnder God, they owe their pre∣seruation
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and safetie to the wisedome and
benignity of their Kings. But now comes
the Cardinall, and hee seekes to steale this
perswasion out of their hearts: Hee tells
them in open Parliament, and without any
going about bushes, that all their welfare
and securitie standeth in their multitude,
and in the feare which others conceiue to
trouble the State, by the strict execution
of lawes against heretikes.
He addeth moreouer, that Jn case a third
sect should peepe out and growe vp in France, the
professors thereof should suffer confiscation of
their goods, with losse of life it selfe: as hath been
practised at Geneua against Seruetus, and in
England against Arrians. My answer is this,
That punishments for heretikes, duely and
according to law conuicted, are set downe
by decrees of the ciuil Magistrate, bearing
rule in the countrey where the said here∣tikes
inhabite, and not by any ordinances
of the Pope. I say withall, the L. Cardinal
hath no reason to match and parallell the
Reformed Churches with Seruetus and the
Arrians. For those heretikes were power∣fully
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conuicted by Gods word, and lawful∣ly
condemned by the auncient Generall
Councils, where they were permitted and
admitted to plead their owne cause in per∣son.
But as for the truth professed by me,
and those of the reformed religion, it was
neuer yet hissed out of the Schooles, nor
cast out of any Councill, (like some Parlia∣ment
bills) where both sides haue been
heard with like indifferencie. Yea, what
Councill soeuer hath beene offered vnto vs
in these latter times, it hath been proposed
with certaine presuppositions: as, That his
Holinesse (beeing a partie in the cause, and
consequently to come vnder iudgement as
it were to the barre vpon his triall) shall be
the Iudge of Assize with Commission of
oyer and determiner: it shall be celebrated
in a citie of no safe accesse, without safe
conduct or conuoy to come or goe at plea∣sure,
and without danger: it shall be as∣sembled
of such persons with free suffrage
and voice, as vphold this rule, (which they
haue alreadie put in practise against Iohn
Hus and Hierom of Prage) that faith giuen,
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and oath taken to an heretike, must not be
obserued.
Now then to resume our former matter;
If the Pope hitherto hath neuer presumed,
for pretended heresie to confiscate by sen∣tence,
either the lands or the goods of pri∣uate
persons, or common people of the
French Nation, wherfore should he dare to
dispossesse Kings of their Royall Thrones?
wherefore takes he more vpon him ouer
Kings, then ouer priuate persons? where∣fore
shal the sacred heads of Kings be more
churlishly, vnciuilly, and rigorously hand∣led,
then the hoods of the meanest people?
Here the L. Cardinal in stead of a direct an∣swer,
breakes out of the lists, alleadging
cleane from the purpose examples of here∣tikes
punished, not by the Pope, but by the
ciuill Magistrate of the Countrey. But Bel∣larmine
speakes to the point with a more
free and open heart: he is absolute and re∣solute
in this opinion, that his Holinesse
hath plenarie power to dispose all Tempo∣rall
estates and matters in the whole world:
I am confident (saith Bellarmine) and I speake
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it with assurance,that our Lord Iesus Christ in
the dayes of his mortalitie, had power to dispose
of all Temporall things; yea, to strippe Soueraign
Kings and absolute Lords of their Kingdomes
and Seignories: and without all doubt hath gran∣ted
and left euen the same power vnto his Vicar,
to make vse thereof whensoeuer he shall thinke it
necessary for the saluation of soules. And so his
Lordship speaketh without exception of a∣ny
thing at all. For who doth not knowe,
that Iesus Christ had power to dispose no
lesse of priuate mens possessions, then of
whole Realmes and Kingdomes at his
pleasure, if it had been his pleasure to dis∣play
the ensignes of his power? The same
fulnesse of power is likewise in the Pope.
In good time: belike his Holinesse is the
sole heire of Christ, in whole and in part.
The last Lateran Council fineth a Laic that
speaketh blasphemie, for the first offence
(if he be a gentleman) at 25. ducats, and at
50. for the second. It presupposeth and ta∣keth
it for graunted, that the Church may
rifle and ransacke the purses of priuate
men, and cast lots for their goods. The
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Councill of Trent diggeth as deepe for the
same veine of gold and siluer. It ordaines;
That Emperours,Kings, Dukes, Princes, and
Lords of cities, castles, and territories holding of
the Church, in case they shall assigne any place
within their limits or liberties for the duell be∣tween
two Christians, shal be depriued of the said
citie, castle, or place, where such duell shall be per∣formed,
they holding the said place of the Church
by any kind of tenure: that all other Estates held
in fee where the like offence shall be committed,
shall foorthwith fall and become forfeited to
their immediate and next Lords: that all goods,
possessions, and estates, as well of the combatants
themselues, as of their seconds shall be confiscate.
This Council doth necessarily presuppose,
it lieth in the hand and power of the
Church, to dispose of all the lands and e∣states,
held in fee throughout all Christen∣dome;
(because the Church forsooth can
take from one, and giue vnto an other all
estates held in fee whatsoeuer, as well such
as hold of the Church, as of secular Lords)
and to make ordinances for the confiscati∣on
of all priuate persons goods. By this Ca∣non
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the Kingdome of Naples hath need to
looke well vnto it selfe. For one duell it
may fal into the Exchecker of the Romane
Church: because that Kingdome payeth a
Reliefe to the Church, as a Royaltie or
Seignorie that holdeth in fee of the said
Church. And in France there is not one
Lordship, not one Mannor, not one farme
which the Pope by this means cannot shift
ouer to a new Lord. His Lordship there∣fore
had carried himselfe and the cause
much better, if in stead of seeking such idle
shifts, he had by a more large assertion
maintained the Popes power to dispose of
priuate mens possessions, with no lesse
right and authoritie then of Kingdomes.
For what colour of reason can be giuen, for
making the Pope Lord of the whole, and
not of the parts? for making him Lord of
the forrest in grosse, and not of the trees in
parcell? for making him Lord of the whole
house, and not of the parlour or the dining
chamber?
His Lordship alleadgeth yet an other
reason, but of no better weight:
Betweene
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the power of priuate owners ouer their goods, and
the power of Kings ouer their estates, there is no
little difference. For the goods of priuate persons
are ordained for their owners, and Princes for
the benefit of their Common-wealths.
Heare
me now answer. If this Cardinal-reason
hath any force to inferre, that a King may
lawfully be depriued of his Kingdome for
heresie, but a priuate person cannot for the
same crime bee turned out of his mansion
house; then it shall follow by the same rea∣son,
that a Father for the same cause may
be depriued of all power ouer his children,
but a priuate owner cannot be depriued of
his goods in the like case: because goods
are ordained for the benefit and comfort
of their owners, but fathers are ordained
for the good and benefit of their children.
But most certaine it is, that Kings represen∣ting
the image of God in earth and Gods
place, haue a better and closer seat in their
chaires of Estate, then any priuate persons
haue in the saddle of their inheritances and
patrimonies, which are daily seene for
sleight causes, to flit and to fall into the
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hands of newe Lords. Whereas a Prince
beeing the Head, cannot be loosed in the
proper ioynt, nor dismounted; like a can∣non
when the carriage thereof is vnlockt,
without a sore shaking and a most grie∣uous
dislocation of all the members, yea
without subuerting the whole bodie of the
State, whereby priuate persons without
number are inwrapped together in the
same ruine: euen as the lower shrubs and
other brush-wood are crushed in peices al∣together
by the fall of a great oake. But
suppose his Lordships reason were some∣what
ponderous and solide withall, yet a
King (which would not be forgotten) is in∣dowed
not onely with the Kingdome, but
also with auncient desmenes and Crowne∣lands,
for which none can be so simple to
say, the King was ordained and created
King; which neuerthelesse he looseth when
he looseth his Crowne. Admit againe this
reason were of some pith, to make mighty
Kings more easily deposeable then priuate
persons from their patrimonies; yet all this
makes nothing for the deriuing and fetch∣ing
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of deposition from the Popes Consisto∣rie.
What hee neuer conferred, by what
right or power can hee claime to take a∣way?
But see here no doubt a sharpe and sub∣tile
difference put by the L. Cardinall be∣tweene
a Kingdome, and the goods of pri∣uate
persons.
Goods, as his Lordship saith,
are without life: they can be constrained by no
force, by no example, by no inducement of their
owners to loose eternall life: Subiects by their
Princes may.
Now I am of this contrary be∣leefe,
That an hereticall owner, or master
of a family, hath greater power and means
withall, to seduce his owne seruants and
children, then a Prince hath to peruert his
owne subiects; and yet for the contagion
of heresie, and for corrupt religion, chil∣dren
are not remooued from their parents,
nor seruants are taken away from their
masters. Histories abound with examples
of most flourishing Churches, vnder a
Prince of contrary religion. And if things
without life or soule are with lesse danger
left in an heretikes hands; why then shall
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not an hereticall King with more facilitie
and lesse danger keep his Crown, his Roy∣all
charge, his lands, his customes, his im∣posts?
&c. For will any man, except he bee
out of his wits, affirme these things to haue
any life or soule? Or why shall it be coun∣ted
follie, to leaue a sword in the hand of a
mad Bedlam? Is not a sword also without
life and soule? For my part, I should ra∣ther
be of this minde; that possession of
things without reason, is more dangerous
and pernicious in the hands of an euill Ma∣ster,
then the possession of things indued
with life and reason. For things without
life lacke both reason and iudgement, how
to exempt and free themselues from being
instruments in euill and wicked actions,
from beeing emploied to vngodly and ab∣hominable
vses. I will not deny, that an
hereticall Prince is a plague, a pernicious
and mortal sicknes to the soules of his sub∣iects.
But a breach made by one mischiefe,
must not be filled vp with a greater incon∣uenience.
An errour must not be shocked
and shouldered with disloialtie, nor heresie
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with periurie, nor impietie with sedition
and armed rebellion against God and the
King. God, who vseth to try and to schoole
his Church, will neuer forsake his Church:
nor hath need to protect his Church by a∣ny
proditorious and prodigious practises of
perfidious Christians. For hee makes his
Church to be like the burning bush. In the
middest of the fire and flames of persecuti∣ons,
he will prouide that she shall not bee
consumed, because he standeth in the midst
of his Church. And suppose there may bee
some iust cause for the French, to play the
rebels against their King; yet will it not fol∣low,
that such rebellious motions are to be
raised by the bellowes of the Romane Bi∣shop,
to whose Pastorall charge and office
it is nothing proper, to intermeddle in the
ciuill affaires of forraine Kingdomes.
Here is the summe and substance of the
L. Cardinals whole discourse, touching his
pretence of the second inconuenience.
Which discourse he hath closed with a re∣markeable
confession: to wit, that neither
by the authoritie of holy Scripture, nor by
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the testimony and verdict of the Primitiue
Church, there hath beene any full decision
of this question. In regard whereof he fal∣leth
into admiration, that Lay-people haue
gone so farre in audaciousnesse, as to la∣bour
that a doubtfull doctrine might for e∣uer
passe currant, and be taken for a newe
article of faith.
What a shame, what a reproach
is this? how full of scandall?
for so his Lordship
is pleased to cry out.
This breakes into the se∣ueralls
and inclosures of the Church: this lets in
whole herds of heresies to grase in her green and
sweet pastures.
On the other side, without a∣ny
such Rhetoricall outcries, I simply af∣firme:
It is a reproach, a scandall, a crime
of rebellion, for a subiect hauing his full
charge and loade of benefits, in the newe
spring of his Kings tender age, his King-fa∣thers
blood yet reeking, and vpon the
point of an addresse for a double match
with Spaine; in so honourable an assembly,
to seek the thraldome of his Kings Crown,
to play the captious in cauilling about cau∣ses
of his Kings deposing, to giue his for∣mer
life the lie with shame enough in his
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olde age, and to make himselfe a common
by-word, vnder the name of a Problematicall
Martyr; one that offers himselfe to fagot
and fire for a point of doctrine but proble∣matically
handled, that is, distrustfully and
onely by way of doubtfull and questiona∣ble
discourse: yea for a point of doctrine, in
which the French (as he pretendeth) are
permitted to thwart and crosse his Holines
in iudgement, prouided they speake in it as
in a point not certaine and necessary, but
onely doubtfull and probable.