the Bishops answer hereunto is, that This kind of argument is thought to be good, whensoeuer proofe is taken of Gods word, and is vsed not only by vs, but also by Saint Paul, and by many of the Catholique Fathers. Saint Paule saith, God said not vnto Abraham, In thy seeds all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, but in thy seed which is Christ, and thereof he thought he made a good argument. Likewise sayth Origen, The bread which the Lord gaue vnto his disciples, saying vnto them, Take and eate, he differred not, nor com∣manded to be reserued till the next day. Such arguments Origen and other learned Fa∣thers thought to stand for good, whatsoeuer misliking Maister Harding hath found in thē. This kind of proofe is thought to hold in Gods commaundements, for that they be full and perfect, and God hath specially charged vs, that we should neither put to them, nor take fro them: and therefore it seemeth good vnto them that haue learned of Christ, Vnus est ma∣gister vester Christus, & haue heard the voyce of God the Father from heauen, Ipsum au∣••ite. But vnto them that adde to the word of God what them listeth, and make Gods will subiect vnto their will, and breake Gods commaundements for their owne traditions sake, vnto them is seemeth not good. Againe, the English Apologie alleaging the example of the Greekes how they haue neither priuate Masses, nor mangled Sacraments, nor Purgatories, nor pardons; it pleaseth Maister Harding to iest out the matter, to vse the helpe of his wits where strength of truth failed him, & to answer with scoffing at negatiues. The Bishops defence in this case is, The auncient learned Fa∣thers hauing to deale with impudent heretiques, that in defence of their errors auouched the iudgement of all the old Bishops and Doctors that had bene before them, and the gene∣rall consent of the primitiue and whole vniuersall Church, and that with as good regard of truth, and as faithfully as you do now; the better to discouer the shamelesse boldnes & na∣kednes of their doctrine, were oftentimes likewise forced to vse the negatiue, & so to driue the same heretiques as we do you, to proue their affirmatiues, which thing to do it was neuer possible. The ancient father Irenaeus thus stayed himselfe, as we do by the negatiue, Hoc ne∣que Prophetae praedicauerunt, néque Dominus docuit, néque Apostoli tradiderunt, This thing neither did the Prophets publish, nor our Lord teach, nor the Apostles deliuer. By a like negatiue Chrysostome saith, This tree neither Paule planted, nor Apollo wa∣tered, nor God increased. In like sort Leo saith, What needeth it to beleeue that thing that neither the Lawe hath taught, nor the Prophets haue spoken, nor the Gospell hath prea∣ched, nor the Apostles haue deliuered? And againe, How are the new deuises brought in that our Fathers neuer knew? S. Augustine hauing reekoned vp a great number of the Bishops of Rome, by a generall negatiue saith thus, In all this order of succession of Bishops, there is not one Bishop found that was a Donatist▪ Saint Gregory being himselfe a Bishop of Rome, and writing against the title of vniuersall Bishop, saith thus, None of all my prede∣cessors euer consented to vse this vngodly title, No Bishop of Rome euer tooke vpon him this name of Singularity. By such negatiues, M. Harding, we reproue the vanity and nouelty of your religion; we tell you none of the catholique ancient learned Fathers either Greeke or Latine euer vsed either your priuate Masse, or your halfe communion, or your barbarous vnknowne prayers. Paule neuer planted them, Apollo neuer watered them, God neuer in∣creased them, they are of your selues, they are not of God. In all this there is not a syllable which any way crosseth vs. For cōcerning arguments negatiue euen taken from humane authority••, they are here proued to be in some cases very strong and forcible. They are not in our estimation idle reproofes, when the authors of needlesse innouations are opposed with such negatiues, as that of Leo, How are