T. Stapleton and Martiall (two popish heretikes) confuted, and of their particular heresies detected. By D. Fulke, Master of Pembrooke hall in Cambridge. Done and directed to all those that loue the truth, and hate superstitious vanities. Seene and allowed

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T. Stapleton and Martiall (two popish heretikes) confuted, and of their particular heresies detected. By D. Fulke, Master of Pembrooke hall in Cambridge. Done and directed to all those that loue the truth, and hate superstitious vanities. Seene and allowed
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Stapleton, Thomas, 1535-1598. -- Fortresse of the faith first planted.
Martiall, John, 1534-1597. -- Replie to M. Calfhills blasphemous answer made against the Treatise of the Crosse.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature.
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The eight Article.

That many strange and wonderful miracles were wrought by the signe of the crosse.

If this article were granted in manner and fourme as it is set downe and meant by the author: namely, that God by the signe of the crosse hath wrought mi∣racles, yet doeth it not followe, that the signe of the crosse is nowe to be vsed of vs, nor that we should re∣pose any confidence therein. By the rodde of Mo∣ses great miracles were wrought, yet was neither the signe of that rod to be esteemed, nor hope of health to be placed in it, nor the rodde it selfe to be worship∣ped.

The Apostles by annointing with oyle, did worke

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great miracles, yet neither the signe of that annoin∣ting is of vs to be vsed, nor the oyle to be worshipped: wherefore if God to shewe the vertue of him that was crucified, hath wrought miracles, by the crosse, or signe thereof, it followeth not, that the signe is still to be vsed, or the crosse honoured, but he that was cru∣cified. Whereas M. Calfhil saide, that miracles are done by the deuil and his ministers, although Martial cannot deny it, yet he saith it followeth not that all miracles, or those of the crosse were done by the deuil. Wheras M. Calfhils meaning is plaine, that we ought not to beleeue all thinges that are commended to vs by miracles, but to examine all doctrine by the word of God, against which we must beleeue no miracles, no prophets, no Angels, Gal. 1. But whereas Martial labo∣boureth to proue, that miracles done by signe of the crosse, were done by God, he should first haue proued substantially, that miracles were done in deede by the crosse, and after prooued, by what power they were done. For we may not beleeue euery reporte of mi∣racles, especially when they are alledged to confirme false doctrine. Let vs therefore consider the first mi∣racle which he rehearseth of the crosse of Christ, that Helena found: if she found any, for Eusebius that knew Helena, and speaketh much of her commenda∣tion, and of her doinge at Hierusalem, as I take it, would not haue concealed such a notable inuention, if any such had bene, in his story, and therefore the note in his Chronologie seemeth to bee a late ad∣dition. But to the miracle, that the crosse was discerned from the other two by a sicke Gentle∣woman vppon whome it was laide, wherevppon as soone as it touched her, she recouered. This report of Rustinus seemeth to be vncertaine, first because Am∣brose sayeth, the crosse was knowen by the title, without speaking of any miracle: secondly, because the reporte of other writers is, that the miracle was of a dead woman, and some of two dead persons, wherof

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to see more I referre the reader to mine answere to D. Sanders booke of Images cap. 13. or 12. Concerning the rest of the Miracles, reported by Paulinus, Epiphanius, Augustine and others, let thē haue such credite as their authors deserue, which is not to build faith or doctrine vpon them, or their writinges, let it be that some were true and wrought by God, yet followeth it not, that al that haue bene since reported in the Popishe Legendes were either true or not wrought by the deuil: where∣about Martiall maketh much wrangling, but neither affirmeth nor concludeth any thing vniuersally. None vse more crossing then witches and coniurers, the de∣uil seemeth to be afraide to come neare them, certaine strange works are brought to passe by them Let Mar∣tial affirme any vertue included in the crosse, or signe thereof absolutely, & then we may deale with him ac∣cordingly For while he telleth vs what may be done by faith & ye signe of ye crosse, and what God hath done by good men with that signe, it is nothing to the au∣thorizing of that signe, seeing the deuil by credulitie in wicked men hath don the like by the same signe.

And this is a true position of M. Calfhil, though Martiall will not vnderstand it. That it is not a suffici∣ent proofe to make a thing good, or to shew it to be good, (because he cauilleth like a calfe a the worde of making▪) to say that miracles were wrought by it. Martial asketh first, whether the miracles of Christ were not a sufficient proofe of his diuine power? Where he flyeth from the position, which speaketh not of the principal efficient cause, out of a ceremonie, a meane, or instrument. More perti∣nently he asketh of the hemme of Christs coate. Saint Paules napkins, whether they had not a vertue by his body. I answere no. No more then Iudas lippes that kissed Christe, and Peters shadowe, which could neither be holy, nor efficient of any thing, because it was no∣thing but the priuation of the light by comming be∣tweene of his body. So I say of coates, napkins, ashes of Martyrs, and signe of the crosse, if any miracles were

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done by meanes of them, they are not thereby holy, neither haue they any vertue in them. The Lord hath giuen vs a generall rule to examine all miracles, and miracle workers, by the doctrine they teache. Deut. 13.

If there arise among you a prophet or dreamer of dreames (and giue thee a signe or wonder, and y signe, & the wonder which he hath told thee, come to passe) if he say let vs goe after other Gods which thou hast not knowen, and let vs serue them: thou shal not hear∣ken vnto the words of that prophet, or vnto that drea∣mer of dreames: for the Lord your God proueth you, to know whether you loue the Lord your God with al your heart, and with all your soule. Ye shal walk after the Lord your God and feare him, and kepe his cōman∣dements, and hearken vnto his voyce, and ye shall serue him, and cleaue vnto him.
By this scripture we are taught to examine all miracles, whether they tende to the honour of the only true God and the maintenance of his true worshippe according to his worde: whiche Martiall him selfe in a manner confesseth: saying, that miracles done by heretikes are not able to commende a thing. But he findeth great fault with Maister Calf∣hil for coupling the generation of a childe in adulte∣ry or feeding by stollen breade, to be miracles, because they be not extraordinarily miracles and yet he can not deny but they be great wonders, and the reason of the meanes is all one in both.

Nowe let vs see howe he aunswereth those three reasons of Maister Calfhils, why miracles make not for the crosse. And first he aunswereth to a question, Why the durt in the streete by whiche Christe wrought a mi∣racle, should not be honoured as well as the crosse on the altar? He aunswereth because the crosse was an instrument by which all the worlde was saued. So was Iudas, so was Pilate. The second, He saith the crosse is a liuely re∣presentation of Christes death. Nay a dombe and dead i∣doll which is good for nothing. Abacuc. 2. The thirde The crosse is effectuous euer since. A deed efficient.

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The crosse is commaunded of God to be made and vsed by diuers Reuelations from heauen. Nay by the diuell from hell, and yet if Angels from heauen had taught the crosse to be made and vsed as another Gospell, as it is accounted of the Papists, as great as circumcisiō was of ye Iewes, not preached by the Apostles, not conteyned in the Scriptures, we might safely accurse them.

But now to the reasons: the first is: Why should not such external meanes as Christ and his Apostles vsed, & scrip∣ture mentioneth, be had in administration, rather then the idle deuice of man, of which there is no lawfull president. Martiall answereth, the crosse is no idle deuise, but a tradition of the Apostles, whereof they haue lawful presidentes. But seeing no president is lawfull to builde our faith vpon, but the holy scriptures, which the Papistes haue not for their crosse, the reason standeth vntouched.

The second reason, If miracles were done by the signe of the crosse, yet not onely by it, therefore the crosse should not only be magnified without the rest. Martial affirmeth that hee would not haue the crosse magnified without the rest, as prayer and faith. How doeth he then magnifie the crosse in Iulians storie, which was without prayer and faith?

The third reason. If miracles were done by the crosse, yet it should not be had in estimation, except all other thinges by which miracles were wrought, as the he of Christes garment, the spitle and clay, the shadowe of Peter and napkins of Paule, were likewise honoured and esteemed. Martial aunswereth, this is but his assertion, for which he hath neither scrip∣ture, councel, nor Doctor. As though an argument A paribus, were not good except the conclusion were ex∣pressed in Scriptur, doctor, or councel. Yet he replieth, that the crosse is the principall meane, by which mi∣racles haue ben wrought. But the Scripture is against that, for Christ wrought no miracle by the signe of y crosse. Nay I slander him, for he reasoneth not ad idem, but the crosse is the cheefe and principal instrumente of our redemption, yet not holier then the speare, the

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reede, and the sponge, as Athanasius affirmeth Ad Anti∣och. que. 16. But euen the hemme, the spettle, and clay, if he had them, Martial would honor, worship & esteeme for his sake whose pretious body they touched. Then let him worship the sunne that touched him with his beams of light, or if that be too farre of, let him wor∣ship Iudas lippes that kissed him, if he can come by them. Concerning the person of Helena, I would wish nothing to be spoken of her, but to her honour, except in case where her honour should be an hinderance of the honor of Christ. Martial to iustifie her in al things, raileth vpon M. Calfhil, for charging her with super∣stition as though he had bene the first yt had so written of her, when it is reported of her that she was vs{que} ad su∣perstitionem pia, deuout euen to superstition. And yet her superstition, appeareth not so great in any thing, as in this supposed inuention of the crosse.

The varietie in time that is in the witnesses of the inuention of the crosse, the blasphemous beast is not ashamed to compare with the apparence of varietie which is in the Euangelistes, where in deede there is none, wheras this discord can not be reconciled. Yet will he not haue the tale discredited for the discorde in time, as though there were none other discorde. The manifest contradiction that is betweene Ruffi∣nus, saying, Titulus non satis evidentr dominici prodeba signa patibuli, The title did not shewe euidently the signe of our Lordes gibbet. And Ambrose saying, Titulo crux salutaris patuit, by the title the healthfull crosse was manifestly knowen. This contradiction I say, he denyeth to bee any, affirming that a simple Logitian would proue it to be none. Thinking that stis euidenter euidently inough, would excuse the matter, as though we knewe not what patet doeth signifie, as well as Maister vsher of Winchester. That a shippe would not carrie the peeces of the crosse that are shewed in so many places, he counteth it an impu∣dent lye of Caluine, whome he rayleth vpon like a

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ruffian, and slaundereth like a diuel. Yet Erasmus af∣firmeth the same in his Peregrinat. relig. erg. And he that will beleeue neither of them both, let him con∣sider beside so many whole crosses as are shewed in steede of that one, and of great boardes yt are kept in many places as part of it, so many thousand churches & Abbeys as either now shew or haue shewed chips & pieces of it, & he shall not think their report to be in credible. The talk of the nayles which were but three at ye first, & al bestowed at the time of ye inuention, yet are now multiplyed to 13. or 14. which bewrayeth an horrible impudencie in the Popish idolaters. Martiall refuseth as impertinent, yet will he not confesse ye for∣gerie, which is a token of a wicked & diuelish consci∣ence. Where M. Calfhill sayeth that miracles were not done by the crosse to establish a worshipping or hauing of it, Martiall requireth proofe by scriptures, Councels or Doctors. I reason thus a paribus out of the scripture, myracles were done by oyle, shadowe, & other things, not to establish a worshipping or ha∣uing of them: the like reason is of myracles done by the crosse. Beside that y scripture is plentiful in chal∣lenging all honour & worship to the author, & not to the meanes or instruments. Peter and Iohn, meanes of the healing of the lame man refused all honour and worship in respect of his healing, Act. 3. vers. 12. yet were they other manner of meanes then ye crosse euer was in doing of myracles.

That M. Calfhill sayeth, myracles teach vs not to do the like, but to beleeue the like. Martiall sayeth, they teach vs to do the like if we may: and he proueth it by him that teacheth that almes couereth sinne, who thereby teacheth to do almes, &c. Thus the wise man compareth miracles & men together, facts & doctrin; act & possibilitie, euen as right as a rammes horne. But how shal we come by this power to worke mira∣cles by the signe of ye crosse? for to assay without assu∣rance of Gods power, is to tempt God. Therefore wee

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may no more crosse vs against diuels, because God hath sometime chased thē away by y signe, then wee may annoynt blind mens eyes with clay, to proue if they will see after it, because Christ wrought a myra∣cle by y meane, which as Martial saith, teacheth vs to do the like if we may. What estimatiō Paulinus a su∣perstitious man had in his piece of the crosse, which was perhaps a piece of another tree, then euer came in Iewry. Wee haue not to followe him in his follye. That myracles wrought of holy men by the signe of the crosse, &c. is not a sufficient reason to proue that ye figne of the crosse should be had, kept, set vp, and ho∣noured, I haue alreadie proued out of the scripture by ye like or equall, & yet it is against reason, when we deny your arguments whose consequence you ought to proue, y we should be driuē to proue that they fol∣low not. Where M. Calfhill sayeth, y myracles onely ought not, or may not cōmend a thing, you pick qua∣rels to him without cause, obiecting the miracles of Christ, who tooke witnesse not only of his miracles, but also of ye holy scriptures. When you haue vrged the miracle done by ye signe of ye crosse out of Epipha∣nius, as much as you can, yet proueth it not ye honou∣ring and setting vp of ye signe of ye crosse in these days, as M. Calfhill telleth you, seing y we liue not among Turkes or Sarazens, y we need to haue any such signe whereby we might be knowen to be worshippers of Christ. But you would faine learne, what if a Portin∣gal or one of ye new conuerted Ilāds of India, cōming by chance into England, of which he neuer heard be∣fore, & seing neither images nor crosses in church nor streate, how he should knowe in whome wee beleeue. And I would learne of you, what skilleth it, if such a man as neuer came here, nor euer by any likelyhood shall come hither, yet supposed to be driuen on a boarde out of India into Englande, what skilleth it I say, if he know not in whom we beleue, and so depart as wise as he came? What remedy but we must haue al

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places filled with images & crosses, for such a man to knowe what we holde of, who shalbe neuer the better thereby, nor the worse if he know not. But you think that happily strangers of Greece, Cōstantinople, Iew∣ry, & India, may come to our coastes, and therfore wee ought to haue the signe of the crosse in churches, cha∣pels, & high wayes, to signifie of whome we hold. We haue not many such strangers, but when they arryue we haue bookes of the holy scripture in Greeke, He∣brue, Chaldee, Syrian, Arabike, Sclauonian tongues, in which they may be instructed that are desirous to vn∣derstand what religion we professe. The Lorde God thought it sufficient to haue his lawe written vppon great stones, at the entrance into the holy land, to let all strangers knowe, both whome, & after what man∣ner the people of Israell did honour and serue their God. Deut. 27. 3. But as for images and pillers he vt∣terly forbad them to set vp any for any vse of religi∣on, Deut. 12. 1. & 16. ver. 2.

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