The answer to William Penn Quaker, his book, entituled, The new witnesses proved old hereticks Wherein he is proved to be an ignotant [sic] spater-brain'd Quaker, who knows no more what the true God is, nor his secret decrees, then one of his coach-horses doth, nor so much; for the oxe knoweth his owner, and the ass his masters scrip, but Penn doth not know his maker, as is manifest by the Scriptures, which may inform the reader, if he mind the interpretation of Scripture in the discourse following. I. That God was in the forme, image and likeness of mans bodily shape, as well as his soul from eternity. ... VIII. What is meant by the armour of God, the wilderness, and the wilde beasts I fought with in the wilderness. / By Lodowick Muggleton.

CHAP. XI. (Book 11)

Fourthly, Penn quotes Rev. 6.9. And when he had opened the fifth Seal, I saw under the Altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and for the Testimony which they held, ver. 10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long Lord holy and true, dost thou not avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth.

Answer, Minde, the words are plain, that it was the souls of the Saints that were slain under the Altar; it doth not say, the bo∣dies of the Saints were slain under the Altar, but their souls that were slain under the Altar; They cried day and night unto God

for vengeance on them that killed their souls; their bodies ne∣ver cried for vengeance; neither doth Iohn say, their bodies were slain under the Altar, but their souls that were slain under the Al∣tar for the Word of God, and for the Testimony they held, an•• not thei•• bodies, as Penn deth vainly imagine; so that this pluce of Scripture i•• clear, that the soul of man is mortal, and doth die, because it was their souls that were slain under the Altar; and Iohn could not properly nor truly have said, that their souls were slain under the Altar, if their souls had been immortal, and had slipt out of their bodies, and were not slain at all.

So that their souls had no cause at all to cry unto God for ven∣geance, seeing their souls were not slain, their souls were only turned out of their bodies, and sent to a better place, even to God himself; for if it were as Penn saith, that their bodies were slain, and their souls were alive, their bodies were in the grave and their souls under the Alrar worshipping God day and night for ever and ever: how contrary is this to reason it self, if it were as Penn saith, then those that were slain under the Altar had more cause to cry unto God for a blessing upon those Persecutors that shed their blood, why, because they did but let their souls out of the blood of their bodies, th••y did not kiil nor slay their souls, but let them slip ••ut of their bodies, and sent them to a better place, where they do worship God day and night, so that their souls that were slain under the Altar had no cause to cry aloud fot venge∣ance, seei••g their souls could not be slain, as Penn saith, but only turned out of their bodies and sent to a better place to worship God day and night without bodies: and their bodies were quiet in the g••ave, what harm then did those murderers do to those men that sent their souls to G d to worship him, and their bodies to the grave, where they were quiet and still, so that neither bodies nor souls were not slain, nor s••••fered no harm, what cause then had th••y to cry for veng••ance 〈◊〉〈◊〉 them that shed their blood, seeing th••ir souls were 〈◊〉〈◊〉 slain, as Penn saith, but sent to God to wor∣ship him, which was a bette•• place then in those days they lived in before.

This is the Q••akers main point of doctrine which they believe and teach, and th••y are not ashamed to publish it; it would make a man that hath any true light of faith in him, to loath such a principle as this, and s ew it out of his mouth, for it is the very foundation of darkness, for all those foolish, sottish and ign••rant imaginations of spirits appearing and walking without bodies, and of spirits assuming bodies that are not their own, which is nothing else but the power of darkness ruling in the im••ginati∣ons of mens hearts, where the lig••t of faith doth not shine in mens hearts; and this opinion, that the soul slips out of the body when men die; it hindreth the light and understanding of all other heavenly truths whatsoever.

Therefore let the Reader consider, that the life is in the blood, and the life doth subsist in the blood, and the life is the fire, heat and warmness of the blood; now if the blood be shed, the fire, heat and warmness of the blood goeth out, so that the blood groweth cold, and the cause why the blood is c••ld, is because the fire of life, heat and warmness that was in the blood is grown cold, and ceaseth to be, that is, the life or soul dieth in the blood, and goeth out as the snuff of a candle when the blaze is blown out, so that the light never goes out of the blood, but di••th in the blood, so that t••e soul or life of man hath no existence nor being at all after the blood in the body is shed, and hath lost its heat and warmness; and where the dead body is laid, the dead soul is laid there also until the Resurrection, which people think may be a great while; bur it will not be one quarter of an hour to the dead soul before it shall be raised again, for there is no time to the dead, six thousand years is not a quarter of an heure to the dead, but time, years and days belongeth to life that can number his days, years and times.

Now I shall write a few words to satisfie the Reader, how these that were slain uder the Altar could cry for vengeance, see∣ing they were dead under the Altar, the meaning is, that the

blood of those that were sl••in for the Testimony of I••sus, it did c y virtual y and effi••••ci••usly u••to God, that he would avenge their b ood a••cording t•• his Wil•• and romise: and so God doth hea•• t••e cry ••f their bloo•• that was slain under the Altar: I say, Go•• d••th hear th•• cry of th••m, as he did hear the cry of the blood of Abel i•• came up unto God; as in Gen. 3 10, And God said unto Ca••n, What hast thou done? the voice of th•• brother•• blood crieth un∣to me from the gr••und. Now minde, Abels soul was killed, and wh ••e his blo d was spilt upon the ground, his soul was spilt up∣on the ground, for his blood cried from the ground unto God for vengeance upon Cain.

So in l••ke manner the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and the Testimony they held, did cry unto God for venge••nce on those that shed their blood, Now will you Penn say, that Abels s••ul was worshipping of God in a better place, then when his soul was in his body, and yet his blood cried from the ground where he was killed unto God for vengeance up∣on Cain; and we read, that God did avenge the blood of Abel up∣on Cain, for this very Act only in ki••ling his brother Abel; yet Penns saith, Abels soul was not killed, nor did not di••, it was his body only that was slain, though his blood was spilt upon the ground, yet his life and soul escaped and went to God a better place to worship God in spirit and in truth without any body at all. This is the Q••akers faith, and the main point of faith they have amongst them.

Let the Reader consider these two things, and they may see how contrary this is to Reason it self, and to Scripture: First, the iife and soul of every living creature lieth in the blood, and if the blood be spilt upon the ground, then the life in the blood must of necessity die together; for they lived together, and never we••e parted asunder, therefore both died together. Secondiy, observe that what life soever doth live in flesh and blood, and no flesh can l••ve without blood, and no blood can be without life in it; so

that who••ver killeth the body, he killeth the blood, and whoever killeth th•• blood ki••l••t•• the ••o••l and life in it, so t••at i•• may be clear to these t••at are n••t stone blind in thi••gs of nature, that the soul of man i•• mo••ta•• as his b••••y is, and doth die and turn to dust until the R•••••• ••••ction, when G•• sh••ll raise that dead soul and bo••y out o•• t••e d••••t ag••in, then sh l ••at dead soul bring forth a new life, or new s••ul wit•• a new b••••y, that shal be capable of eternal happiness, or et•• nal m ••ery, because their bodies shall be spiritual and n••t natural bodi s, no•• natural souls, as now neither sh••ll that new l••f•• lie i•• t••e bl••od as it doth now in our natural bodies: neither shall that new ••oul and body that is raised in the Resurrection be capable of ever b••ing annihilated by death, as this natural soul and body is, but shall endure to eternity.

Also this is to be observed by the Reader, that Penn doth not understand that a man may worship God in spirit and in truth in these natural souls and bodies that may and doth turn to dust, but when the spirit is sl p•• out of this natural b••••y, and gone to God, that is, a spirit without a body, as he dot•• vainly imagine, then their spirits without any body shall worsh••p him in spirit and truth without bodies; This is the Qu••kers vain imaginations: A∣gain, if Abels blood did cry from the ground for vengeance upon Cain, as is plain by the words he did, yet Penn saith, Cain did not kill Abels soul, but his body only, then that s••ntence God gave upon Cain seemeth something cruel, because from Penns Asserti∣on Cain did not kill his brother Abels soul, he did but pa••t his s••ul from his body, he did but send his soul to G••d but a litt e before its time: he did not kill his soul, for Penn saith, life as it is life cannot die: so Cain did but separate his soul from his body, and was that such a hainous crime that Cain should be so punished, as to be a Fugitive, Vagabond and Renegade upon the face of the earth all his days, and be damned to eternity aft ••wards, surely no; I speak this that men might be ashamed of the Quakers faith, but to conclude, it is clear, that Cain did kill the l••fe and soul of Abel, and it is as clear, that the lif••s and souls of those Saints that

were slain under the A••tar for w ••sh pping the true God cry unto him to avenge their bloo•• up••n these persecuting d••vils t••at dwel upon the earth, so that it may be clear to those th••t are not st••ne-blind, that the soul of man is mortal and doth die; and this is the true interpretation and meaning of Iohn in this place.