The answer to William Penn Quaker, his book, entituled, The new witnesses proved old hereticks Wherein he is proved to be an ignotant [sic] spater-brain'd Quaker, who knows no more what the true God is, nor his secret decrees, then one of his coach-horses doth, nor so much; for the oxe knoweth his owner, and the ass his masters scrip, but Penn doth not know his maker, as is manifest by the Scriptures, which may inform the reader, if he mind the interpretation of Scripture in the discourse following. I. That God was in the forme, image and likeness of mans bodily shape, as well as his soul from eternity. ... VIII. What is meant by the armour of God, the wilderness, and the wilde beasts I fought with in the wilderness. / By Lodowick Muggleton.

CHAP. V. (Book 5)

Minde here was no mention of any Earth untill the third day, n••ither did God see the Earth that lay eternally hid under the wa∣ters until the third day he had commanded the waters to be ga∣thered unto one place, so that the earth must ne••ds be eternally hid under the watets: likewise, the Gras••, Herbs and Fruit trees, that did grow out of the earth, they had the seed in themselv••s eter∣nally, God gave no seed to them, as is exprest, ver▪ 12. And the earth brought fort gr••ss and herbs, yielding seed after its kind•• and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in it self after his kind, and God saw that it was good, and the Evening and the Morning were the third day.

The fourth day out of the s••bstance of Water that was gather∣ed together unto one place, ver. 14. And God said, Let there be lights in the Firmament of Heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be so tim••s and for seasons, and for days an•• years, ver. 16. And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also, and God saw that it was good; and the Evening and the Morning were the fourth: so by faith we understand that God made the Body of the Sun, and the body of the Moon, and the bodies of the stars, of that substance and matter of water that was upon the face of the deep, and by the Power of his Word, speak∣ing into those bodies of water congealed by his word, gave light into them to shine upon the earth, and to run their course to the work God appointed them to do as long as this world doth last: F••fth day, God made out of the iubstance of water all manner of Fish, and gr••at Whales, and all manner of Fowl God made of the substance of water: so that whatever God made, he had ma••••••r and substance to make it of, and that God did never make any thing whatsoeve•• of nothing, For of n••thing comes nothi••g. And the Evening and the Morning was the fifth day.

Ver 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living crea∣tures after his kind, cattel, creeping things, and beasts of the earth after his kind, and it was so; so ver. 25. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattel after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and God saw that it was good; And in ver. 26. And God said, Let us make man in our own image and likeness. Here is Gods six days work. Now, let the Reader minde, that God made all these things spoken of before, out of these two eternal substan∣ces of Earth and Water, Likewise, God made out of the sub∣stance of Water the Firmament of Heaven, rhe Sun, Moon and Stars, Fishes, Whales and Fowl tha•• flie in the midst of Heaven were made out of the substance of water. the beasts of the field, cattel of all kinde, and all manner of creeping things upon the earth, and Man himself God made of the dust of this earth, that was an eternal Chaos until God in the beginning created or form∣ed it, as we see: A••d this take notice, that God made all things of the substance of water first, and God made the beast of the earth, and man of the su••stance of earth last

Thus I have given the interpretation of Gods six days work, and how that the substance of Earth and Water was eternal, in their being an essence; and how that God out of these two sub∣stances of earth and water, did create or made all things what∣soever; all the light of Sun, Moon, Stars, and Firmament of hea∣ven, with all their bodies, and all other creatures whatsoever. that hath the breath of life in them, and that God did not make any thing whatsoever of nothing, as Penn doth blasphemously af∣firm, so that the R••ader may see the gross ignorance of that opi∣nion, that God made this vast earth and waters of nothing, and the better understand the Answer to Penns Arguments, as follow∣eth.

First, as for that place Gen 1.1, 2. In the beginning God cre∣ated the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without forme

and void, I have answered b••fore; s••••wing that Mose•• spake that last which should have been first, so that Penns Arguments built upon that Text falls to the ground.

Secondly, Penn quotes Isa. 48.••2, 1••. Hearken unto me, O Jacob, and Israel my called I am he, I am the first and also am the last, my Hand also hath laid the Foundation of the Earth; Penns Argu∣ment upon these words; Wher••fore thus I argue, if God was before so much as the foundation of the Earth was laid, then was neither the Earth nor foundation of it from Eternity without God; but the Text affirms, that God was first or before the foundation was ever ••aid.

Answer, To what purpose is this Scripture alledged, for we do own that God is the first and the last, and that he was in being in Heaven above the Stars, and did create all manner of celestial creatures, spiritual bodies, as Angels, before th•• foundation of the Earth was laid; Now minde, though God was before the foundation of the earth was laid; he d••th not say ••e was be∣fore the substance and matter of earth was; to speak plain. God doth not say he was before the dark sensless Chaos os earth and wat••r; for it is plain, that the earth was without form and void from the sight of God himself, ••n da••kness wa•• upon the face of the deep, so that there was deep waters, and earth under the wa∣ters in the beginning when G••d began to create, and when Gods Spirit moved upon the fac•• of the deep waters, there was matter a••d substance; th••re was water and da••kness for Gods Spirit to work upon before God beg••n to work or create, so that the dark waters must needs be the••e before; i•• b••fore God b••gan to cr••at••, or b••so••e t e beginning, then eternal, except God did first span out of his g••eat vast spirit wi••••••ut a body th••s•• da••k waters, an•• then ••e sets himself to w••rk to make light bodi s out of those dark wat••rr that came out of his g••••••t spir••t, so that Gods Spi••it without a body must needs be exceed••••g ••a••ge▪ t••a•• could cause such vast substances of ••arth and wa ••rs ou•• of his gr at v••st Spi••it without a b••dy; I did not th••••k ••••at a ••pi••it without a

body had bin so large, as Penn doth blasphem••usly assert, yet by Penns Argument it must be so.

Again, if God ma••e this vast ••••rth a••d waters of not••i••g, would it not have b n easier f••r God to have ma••e the Firm••ment, Sun, Moon and Stars, and all Fish, F••wl and beasts of t••e earth, and every thng t••at ••a••h the b••eath of life, and Man himse••f, of no∣thing; God might easi••r have made these excellent cr••a••ures of nothing, then for hm to mak•• this great vast earth and waters of nothing; I do a••mi••e that the imagination of man should conceiv•• such a monstrous God that can make such great sub∣stances of earth and water, and the grea•• rock•• and mighty stones in the ea••t•• of no••hing; but Penns God is a ••pir••t without a b••dy, that can do all this by ••is own confession; but my God that hath a body of his own never did any such thing he always ha•• matter and power to make his cr••atu es of; methinks, it ••s a wonderful great P••wer in God to raise the dead ••gain at the last day, and to reward every man according to his wo••ks, as th•• Scriptures saith, This is a great work for God to do, yet this power is nothing in comparison of such a pow•••• t••at could make this vast ea th and waters of nothing, then by t••e same power he may bring them to nothing again•• so t••at as they were made of nothing, so they shall turn to nothing agai••; is this were so, it would be well for Penn and all R••probates to be turned into nothing, then rheir conditi∣on wou••d be as happy as we that are somet••ing, and shall be som∣thing again in th•• Resurr••ct••on.

And as fo•• Gods laying the foundation of the earth, we do ac∣knowledge that God id lay the foundation of the earth in the beginning, bu•• the earth was before he laid the foundation, for he could n••t lay a founda••ion o•• earth except he had earth to lay, it doth not say that God said the foundation of ths earth with not••i••g: but in the beginning, after God had found out this earth that was eternally bid under the d••ep waters, then God laid the foundation of the earth by the Power of his Word, so

surely congeal'd an•• strongly cl••••'•• together that it shall never fa••l, but it shall stand to eternity; y••t neverthel••ss the substa••ce of earth was b••fore G••d laid t••e foundation of it; for Man may as well say, that a wise Bu ld••r may ••ay the foun••••ti••n of a stately Tower, with ••ut any matter or substa••ce, no, not so much as earth for his foundation; the••ef••re Ch••ist saith, a wis•• Builder buildeth his house upon a Rock: now this R••ck w••s b••fore, he did not make this Rock is foundatio•• of not••ing, ••he Rock was before, he made it a foun••ation to build upon: Likew••se, th•• fo••lish Buil••er that built upon the sand, tha•• made the sand his fou••dation, or laid a foundation of and to build upon: This foolish B••il••er did not make the sand, the sand was b••f••r••: so it was with God, ••e laid the foun••ation of the earth in the begin∣ning, but the substance of earth was before he s••id t••e foundation of it, s•• that th•• substance and matter of earth was bef••re God laid the found••tion of earth, if before then eternal: for the S••ri∣ptures doth not say, that God laid the foun••ation of th••s earth from eternity, but from the beginning, when God created the Heaven and the earth, then God laid the foundati••n of the earth as w•• see: but the s••b••ta••c•• of the ••arth was before he laid the foundation of it: so that this Scripture maketh noth••ng to Penns purpose, but altogether ••o the contrary.