The answer to William Penn Quaker, his book, entituled, The new witnesses proved old hereticks Wherein he is proved to be an ignotant [sic] spater-brain'd Quaker, who knows no more what the true God is, nor his secret decrees, then one of his coach-horses doth, nor so much; for the oxe knoweth his owner, and the ass his masters scrip, but Penn doth not know his maker, as is manifest by the Scriptures, which may inform the reader, if he mind the interpretation of Scripture in the discourse following. I. That God was in the forme, image and likeness of mans bodily shape, as well as his soul from eternity. ... VIII. What is meant by the armour of God, the wilderness, and the wilde beasts I fought with in the wilderness. / By Lodowick Muggleton.

CHAP. XII. (Book 12)

ANd God said unto Jacob what is thy name, and he said Ja∣cob, and God said, as a Prince hast thou power with God and men; so that Jacob wrestled and prevailed with no less per∣son then with the Eternal God himself: and seeing that he had prevailed as a strong Prinee with God, he was emboldned to ask his name; but the Lord God would not tell him any other name, but what he had told him before, I am the Lord God of thy Father Ahraham, and the God of Isaac; but however God blessed him, and Jacob knew it was the God of Heaven, that wrestled with him: For saith he I have seen God Face to Face, and my life is preserved. Now Penn the Q••aker, do you be∣lieve that it was a Spirit without a body, that discoursed and wrestled thus with Jacob; did Jacob prevail with such a God, that is a formless Spirit without a body: I wonder how you dare to justifie such a God in publick, seeing the Scriptures are so full against your Anti-christian Spirit, that denieth the body of God, that made man in his own Image and likeness, in re∣spect of his bodily shape, as well as his Soul; and what clear∣er proof of Scripture can be given to prove the eternal to be in the form nnd likeness of a man, and that mans bodily shape and likeness is the Image of God, then this Scripture; concerning Jacob and God wrestling with him.

7. Again to prove God to have body and form like man, see Exod. 42.12. And the Lord said unto Moses, come up to me into the Mount, and be there and I will give the Tables of Stone; and Moses went up into the Mount of God. 15. ver. And the glory of the Lord abode upon Mount-S••na, and the Cloud covered it six dayes, and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the Cloud. 17. ver. And the s••ght of the glory of the Lord, was like de∣vouring Fire in the top of the Mount, in the Eyes of the Children of Israel, 18. ver. And Moses went into the midst of the Cloud, and gat him up into the Mount, and Moses was in the Mount forty

days and forty nights; Exod. 33 9. And it came to pass as Moses entred into the Tabernacle, the Clouded Pillar descended and stood at the Door of the Tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses. ver. 10. And all the People saw the Clo••dy Pillar stand at the Taber∣nacle Door, and all the People rose up and wo••shiped▪ 11. ver. And the Lord spake unto Moses Face to Face, as a man speaketh to his Friend.

Here the Reader may see, that God did appear unto Moses in the form of a man, and spake plain words unto him, and said unto him, come unto me into the Mount; so that God did confine himself into that place of the Mount, only to talk with Moses: Also God gave Moses Tables of Stone; observe those T••bles of Stones that God gave Moses to write on, were no Stones of this Earth, but Stones that were of a purer nature; even Stones of that Earth above the Stars, only to signifie that God had written the Law in the Stony heart of man who receiv∣ed this Law written in his heart, from the Seed of the Serpent that was thrown down from Heaven, even that Serpent that be∣guiled Eve; likewise God being a spiritual body, but of the stature a of mi••dle statured man, he could come down from Hea∣ven in a Cloud upon the Mount, and when Moses went up un∣to the Mount of God, then did God descend from Heaven in a Cloud up••n the Mount, and covered the Mount with the Cloud, and the glory of the Lord abode upon Mount Sina, and the Cloud covered it six days.

That is, the brightness of Gods person did shine upon the Mount, which no natural Eyc could look upon him, only the Cloud covered his bright glory; so that Moses might speak with him Face to Face, though he could not see his Face; yet God called unto Moses out of the midst of the Cloud, and at the sight of the glory of the Lord it was like devouring Fire in the top of the Mount, in the Eyes of the Children of Israel; yet notwithstanding Moses went into the midst of the Cloud, and was in the Mount forty days and forty nights; likewise when Moses entred into the Tabernacle, the Cloudy Pillar de∣scended and stood at the Door of the Tabernacle, and the L••rd t•• l••ed with Moses; observe the Tabernacle was always below the Mount, and when God had any thing to reveal to Moses when he was in the Tabernacle: God always descended in this Cloudy Pillar, and it always stood at the Door of the Taber∣nacle

and out of this Cloudy Pillar which stood at the Door of the Tabernacle; did God speak to Moses Face to Face, as a man speak••th to his Friend.

By these Scripture words, a man may clearly see that God is a spirit••al body, in form like a man, and did always appear so to the righteous; and we see that God being of no biger sta∣ture then a man, being spiritual, he can subscribe his person into what particular place he please, and speak with what particular pers••n h•• please to speak unto, and he being of a like spiritua l fiery body, that the very Clouds shall bear him up, and the Clouds shall descend from Heaven with him in it, at his command; and at his command the Clouds shall ascend, and carry him up to Heaven again; even as a Kings Chariot doth carry him here on Earth, up Hill and down Hill: Such a God as this do I own and believe in, and do deny such a God as Penn the Quaker worshipeth, who is a Spirit without any body or form at all; that can neither hear, nor see, nor speak, nor be subscribed to no particular place, but is at all places at one and the same time, and nevertheless from being in all places at one and the same time; such a kind of God as this, will do a particular man but little good in time of trouble; neither wi••l this God deliver Penn himself, nor save him from that Sentence and Judgement, that a mortal man hath given him in the ••ay of account.

8. See Exod. 34.34. But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the ••aile off, until he came out. 35. ver. And the Children of Israel saw the Face of Moses, that the Skin of Moses Face shone; and Moses put the Vaile upon his Face again, until he went in to speak with him; so Numb. 12.4. And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Mi∣riam, and they three came out. 5. ver. And the Lord came down, in the Pillar of the Cloud, in the Door of the Tabernacle and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forth. 6. ver. And he said hear now my words, if there be any Prophet among you, I the Lord will make my self known unto him in a Vision, and will speak unto him in a D••eam. 7. ver. My Servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8. ver. with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark Speeches, and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold.

Here the Reader may see clearly that God is in the form of man; for Moses was a man, and that Moses when he went to speak with Go••, he took the Vaile off his Face, until he had done speaking with God, and when Moses came from talking with God, he put the Vaile over ••. ••ace a••ain, because the Children of Israel should not look upon th•• Face of Moses, be∣cause ••e Skin of his Face did shine, nor speak unto ••••m, ex∣cept th•• Vaile was upon hi•• Face; likewise we see that the Lord sp•••• suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, and that God said unto them hear now my words; if there be a ••••••phet among you, I the Lord will make my self known unto him in a Vision, and will speak unto him in a Dream; my Servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house; with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark Speeches, and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold.

Observe Moses was a man, and he spake to God mouth to mouth; so that God had a mouth as well as Moses. Secondly, that Gods talking with Moses mouth to mouth, made his face to shine so bright that the people could not look upon Moses face. Thirdly, that the Lord descended and came down from Heaven in the Pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the Tabernacle, and that God called out of the Pillar of the eloud unto Aaron and Miriam. Fourthly, that God doth make him∣self known to some by Vision and Dream. Fifthly, That God spake familiar words unto Moses as a man speaks to his friend. Sixthly, That Moses did see and behold the similitude of the Lord; that is, Moses did see and behold that God was in the form of Man, according to his own revelation in Genesis; God made man in his own Image, and likeness. These Scriptures are full to prove, that God is a spiritual person in form like a man, and that he is subscribed to one particular place at a time, where he please; and that his person was contained only in the Pillar of the cloud when he descended from Heaven upon the Mount, to talk with Moses, and there was no God in Heaven for that season, but his Power only, until he did ascend to Heaven in the Pillar of the cloud again. Thus God was and is when he please, contained and subscribed to a particular place, even in the Pillar of a cloud upon the Mount of Sina, and God was no

where else in his person at that time but there. This God was Moses and the true Prophets God, and this is Reeve and Mug∣gletons God.