The answer to William Penn Quaker, his book, entituled, The new witnesses proved old hereticks Wherein he is proved to be an ignotant [sic] spater-brain'd Quaker, who knows no more what the true God is, nor his secret decrees, then one of his coach-horses doth, nor so much; for the oxe knoweth his owner, and the ass his masters scrip, but Penn doth not know his maker, as is manifest by the Scriptures, which may inform the reader, if he mind the interpretation of Scripture in the discourse following. I. That God was in the forme, image and likeness of mans bodily shape, as well as his soul from eternity. ... VIII. What is meant by the armour of God, the wilderness, and the wilde beasts I fought with in the wilderness. / By Lodowick Muggleton.

CHAP. VII. (Book 7)

SO that by Gods Wisdom and Power in creating the Hea∣vens and the Earth, he may be said to sit upon the Circle of the Earth: And as for his stretching out the heavens as a curtain, and spread them out as a tent to dwell in; The meaning is, that when God created the Firmament ••f Heaven in the beginning, he spread forth the sky, as we see, round about the earth, as a curtain; so that the sky is under the earth, as it is over the earth; and by his Wisdom and Power, by his Word speaking, he hath drawn the Sky or Element, even as a curtain, over the face of the whole earth, that no living creature that is mortal, may see through the curtains of Heaven; and, on the other side of these curtains, God hath made himself a tent to dwell in, even a kingdom of eternal Glory, which no mortals can see by the eye of sence and reason. This is understood by Faith only, as I said before; this is the true meaning of the Prophets words: And this God of Israel that did these great things in the begin∣ning, was he that made man in his own Image and likeness; and that the living God was before he made man in the form and likeness of man, and in no other form and likeness, only his body was spiritual, heavenly and glorious, as I said before.

In Pag. 8. saith Penn, In this passage is a most pregnant over∣throw of this vain Opinion. First, saith he, That God of whom man can make a likeness, is not the true God: and saith, But such a one is Muggletons, therefore not the true God. Secondly, saith Penn, If God was of mans figure and stature, then Goldsmiths were able to make his likenes••: But, saith he, this the Scriptures utterly deny, and ask, What likeness will you compare unto him? Saith he, Therefore God is not in the bodily shape of man.

Answer. Here the Reader may see the black darkness of this Anti-Christian-Devil, Penn the Quaker: That because Gold∣smiths, or other Crafts-men may make the Image of a man, and so make the Image and likeness of God; therefore God must have no body nor form of his own at all. Let the Reader con∣sider, that if God hath no body nor form of his own, he is in a worse condition than the Creatures which he hath made; for

he hath made all creatures that hath the breath of life in them with bodies, and the body and life of all creatures doth rejoyce and are glad; and without a body there can be no life, nor joy, neither in God, Angels, nor Man, nor no other creature that hath the breath of life. Now shall any man that is not stone blind in his understanding, believe that God who created and made all things with bodies, and yet himself hath no body at all, but is an infinite vast Spirit without any body or form, or shape at all of his own? A man may as well say, that a spirit without a body may build all the Churches in London that were burned down by the Fire: as to say, that God who created the two Worlds Celestial and Terrestial, and the creatures therein; had no body of his own: Or a man may as well take a beautiful spi∣rited Woman without a body to his Wife, and see how he can love a spirit without a body. This is as possible for man to do, as it is for Gods Spirit to be without a body: nay, it is as possible for the spirit of a man to build a Tower without its body, as it is for God to create the two Worlds, and all Crea∣tures therein, without a body of his own. Again, if God hath never a body of his own, but is an infinite vast Spirit without any body at all, and yet he fills Heaven, and Earth, and the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him; Where then is God contained? Sure he is contained some where? And if the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him, he is of such a vast bigness; Sure the imagination of man doth imagine Gods Spirit to be bigger than it is: It is a marvellous thing to me now, that a Spirit without a body should be in all places at one and the same time, and fill Heaven and Earth also. But by Faith I know that Gods body is no bigger than a middle statured man, and that his Godhead Spirit is contained in that body; only but this Wisdom, Power and Glory, doth fill Heaven and Earth, neither doth the Heaven and Heaven of Heavens con∣tain his power and glory; for he is as well by his power on Earth, by his Mercies to some, and his Judgements to others; nay his Power is in Hell also with the damned, so that Gods power is every where at once, in that he hath written a Law in the Seed of every Creature, both in Heaven above, and in the Earth beneath, and in the Waters under the Earth; and in this sense, God may be said to fill Heaven and Earth, and that the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him; but as to the person

and body of God himself, he is contained now in the Heavens only, and his person is contained when he pleases, in a lesser compass then a mans person can be contained.

But Penn the Quaker, hath imagined God to be an infinite Spirit, without a body, of such a vast bigness, that the Heaven of Heavens, nor the Earth cannot contain him; his Spirit is so big that it cannot be confined to any particular place; by this Assertion God is contained in the Air, and in the Earth, and in the Waters, and in the Beasts of the Field, and in the Fowls of the Air, and in the Fish in the Sea, and in man, and in the Shape of the Trees, and Grass of the Field; by Penns Assertion God is in all these, by his great vast Spirit without a body, for he imagines that God is the life of every thing; so that the Trees could not grow, if Gods Spirit were not in the Sap of them, and so of all things else: Thus ridiculous is learned Penns conceit of Gods gseatness, so that God must be beholding to the bodies of the Creatures, which he hath made to dwell in; be∣cause he hath never a body of his own big enough, for his great vast Spirit to live in; Is not this an absurd Faith, that Penn the Quaker holds forth, let all sober men Judge.

Mind Reader, that because Reeve and Muggleton doth de∣clare, that God is but in the form & stature, and bigness of a man, as is said by Moses, and that a man may Carve, and make the Image of man, and so the Image of God, of Wood or Stone, and worship it for God; so that man may make the Image and likeness of God, as they do the Image and likeness of Angels, and other Creatures; must it therefore follow, that because Gods Image and likeness, is made in the form of mans bodily shape, as is most true it is; must men worship this Image as God, and believe the Image he hath made to be a God; this is great blindness and horrid Idolatry, so that because there may be an Image of God made by man: Therefore Penn will not have God to have any body or form at all, but an infinite form∣less nothing, so that no Image can be made of an infinite no∣thing, this is Penns God that he doth worship, and wnile he seems to worship a God that hath no form at all, he becomes the greatest Idolator of all, and worships every form for God, ••s the light in man is his God, the life of the Beasts of the Field his God, the Firmament of Heaven, the Earth, the Waters, •• Fowl, the Fish, the Trees, the Grass, are his God: for saith

he, God is every where and in all places at one time, and ne¦ver confined to any particular place, no not in Heaven above neither can the Heavens contain him, but he is every where, as Penn the Q••aker saith.