A survey of the summe of church-discipline. Wherein the vvay of the churches of New-England is warranted out of the vvord, and all exceptions of weight, which are made against it, answered : whereby also it will appear to the judicious reader, that something more must be said, then yet hath been, before their principles can be shaken, or they should be unsetled in their practice.
Hooker, Thomas, 1586-1647.
Answer.

If this jurisdiction issue from the same office of Pastor, then they have power of order; and that to preach.

But that it so issues, hath been shewed, and is also granted.

M. R. adds.

The Elders of a particular congregation have power of order, and power of JURISDICTION without the Court: but they have not power of CHURCH-JURISDICTION, but in the Court. For there is a difference betwixt power of jurisdiction, which Elders have as watch-men, and a power of Church-jurisdiction which El∣ders have not, but in foro Ecclesiae.