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Title:  An answer to a discourse intituled, Truth it's manifest, &c
Author: Babington, Abraham
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that action, at that time, and upon that occasion done by them: what hath been done by others since without them, yea against them, can with no justice be im∣puted to them.The man, before he was aware, states the quarrel right, the King makes open War, with intent to destroy the Parliament, they are forced to take up Arms to defend and preserve themselves, and in them the English Government from be∣ing destroyed; and what they took up Arms for, that they called their bre∣thren of Scotland to assist them in: I believe this Zelot will finde some of his ends contained in the Covenant, as he would have it believed, and so often there∣fore inculcates it, wanting in thus stating the quarrel; he would have that, which he calls the Reformation of Religion, the thing we fight for, and therefore batters the peoples ears, almost in every leaf, with standing for the cause of God, the service of the Church, the ends contained in the Covenant, promoting the cause of the Church, and such like; but what is all this in his intention? Nothing else but the casting out of Bishops, and setting up in England the Government of the Church of Scotland; this with him is Religion from top to toe, head to foot, whereas were it what it ought to be, and what they would have it believed to be, it is so far from that, that it is but the shell to the kernel, the utmost mound Wall to the Temple, the Pins to the Tabernacle. Could he say, and make it good, the Kings design was, to make open War to alter the Laws established concerning Religion here in England, and by force to bring in Popery against Law, he might well make it a part of the quarrel, and think and say, we ought to defend Religion established by Law, against idolatry, by opposing force to force (I mean the two Houses of Parliament, and so would alwayes be understood in this case of taking up of Arms in defence of the Laws, and opposing force with force, not of private men when I say we) but men will easily perceive, except they be some of those, you so often call your simpler sort, how great a difference there is between fighting to maintain the Laws and true Religion established by them against idolatry; and fighting against Law to overthrow one Govern∣ment thereby established, and set up another in the Church, which hath no Law for it; when true Religion may stand, though both those should fall; neither the one, as you have framed it, and use it, no more than the other, being better than a meer humane policie. You, and those who set you on work, shall give us leave to state our own cause; in assisting us you must take up what we avow; if you have any thing else of your own to promote, you may be left to abound in your own sence, and do it in your own Kingdom, and answer therein your own con∣sciences: but you often urge, we are bound to make good the ends contained in the Covenant, and that your Nation would not ingage, untill that Covenant was framed, and entered into; and from hence you would infer, that Reformation of Church-Government, according to that sence you put upon the Covenant, to serve your turn, is that we are bound to contend and fight for: you are out of the way, a thing usual with you; we do acknowledge the entering into a Covenant was pro∣posed, for that must not be wanting with you when you undertake things of this nature, and to give you satisfaction it was agreed unto by us, and lastly framed here in England, but with these limitations purposely (according to our place and calling:) we would have you prove, that we are in our place, when we are in Arms, to force the alteration of Laws already made, or the ma∣king of new; or shew us what calling we have to take up Arms, having 0