A further defence of the report. Vindicating it from Mr. Alsops Cavils, and shewing the difference between Mr. W's and my self to be real, and the charge in my appeal to be true.

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A further defence of the report. Vindicating it from Mr. Alsops Cavils, and shewing the difference between Mr. W's and my self to be real, and the charge in my appeal to be true.
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Lobb, Stephen, 1699.
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1698.
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Alsop, Vincent, -- 1629 or 30-1703. -- Vindication of the faithful rebuke agto a false report against the rude cavils of the pretended defence.
Dissenters, Religious -- England -- Early works to 1800.
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Section 1.

I will begin with what he objects against the ••••••¦porter, and my self.

His first Objection.

That the Reporter has left out of his substance the Gospel, Regeneration, Conversion, Repentan•••• Holiness, Sanctification, a New Heart, and New O¦dience, Good Works, &c. A blessed Report for t•••• Countrey. You are eased at least of one Moity 〈◊〉〈◊〉 your Work.

Reply.

In my Return, I will give you the Passage 〈◊〉〈◊〉 which he refers as it is in the Report, and then con••••¦der what Reason Mr. A. had for this Objection.

In the Report it's thus;

That all, Who belief might escape the Wrath to come, and have Everlasti•••• Life, the Lord Jesus Undertakes for us, by maki•••• satisfaction to Punitive and Remunerative Justic•••• and, that he might do so, he did put himself in our Place, State and Condition; so that whereas v•••••• were Sin, and under a Curse, by this Blessed Chan•••• Christ is made Sin, and a Curse, and we deliver•••• from Sin, and the Curse, 2 Cor. 5.21. Gal. 3.13.

This is the substance of the Gospel of Chri•••• this the Ground, and Foundation of our Faith.

Out of this Passage it is, that Mr. Alsop fetche the Reason, why he chargeth the Reporter for l••••¦ving out his Substance of the Gospel, Regeneratio Repentance, &c. To which I answer.

1. That 'twill be very hard for them, who kno•••• the Person, that is thought to be the Reporter, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 think it possible for Mr. A. to believe one word of h•••• own Charge against him, it being in his own Con¦science so contrary to Truth, and can therefore 〈◊〉〈◊〉 no less than a Calumny, as Calumnia est cùm quis 〈◊〉〈◊〉

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••••••ta Scientia, & dolo injustè agit, & excipit. But it ••••st be further observ'd;

2. That this Passage of the Reporter was only ••••out Christ's Satisfaction, as it is an Article of ••••••ple Belief, and of distinct Consideration, either ••••••m Matters of Practice; or, such Works, as are ought in us by the Holy Spirit.

3. That Matters of Simple Belief have been ever, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Churches of God, placed in a Formula, by ••••••mselves. And, if there be any strength, in the ••••jection, it must lye in this, That whenever a ••••••mula is given of the Credenda, there must be ••••ed with it an Exact Catalogue of the Agenda; 〈◊〉〈◊〉 that whoever Composes a Summary of Matters Simple Belief, without inserting in it the Agenda, Matters of Practice, doth thereby Reject out of Substance of the Gospel Repentance, Good Works, &c. ••••e, I say, lyeth the strength of his Objection, ••••ch if of any force at all against the Reporter, must ••••••••g all the Churches of Christ from the Begin∣•••• under the same Condemnation, because they had 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Credenda in a Formula by themselves.

The Reporter had in his Summary a word more ••••is in many of the Antient Creeds. For, he saith, ••••••at all, who Believe might escape the Wrath to ••••me, and have Everlasting Life, &c. thereby ••••ing Faith, which supposes Regeneration, and in∣••••es within it the Entire Nature of Evangelical ••••tance, and is Prolifick of Good Works, neces∣•••••• to Salvation; and therefore so long as this ••••ge, viz. [That all who Believe might escape Wrath to come, &c.] continues in his Summa∣•••• there will not be the least pretence for the Hor∣•••••• Noise he has made about it. But.

Mr. A. as one, whose Conscience had, whilst 〈◊〉〈◊〉 as making this Objection, check'd him for it, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 add, [

But suppose this were intended only as

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the Substance of the Gospel so far as we ar•••••• to Believe what Christ has done and suffered fo•••• Sinners without them, &c.
] Well then, let us su∣pose it, and see what will follow. Really, as for m•••••• part, I can observe in it nothing less than a Fu•••••• Answer to his own Objection. For, if the Report 〈◊〉〈◊〉 intended no more than the Substance of what w•••••• are to Believe concerning what Christ has done a•••• suffered for Sinners without them and with God (〈◊〉〈◊〉 really he did not) he was under no Obligation 〈◊〉〈◊〉 mention Regeneration, Conversion, Repentanc Good Works, &c. which are wrought in, and up•••• Sinners, and the not mentioning 'em cannot be 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Reason a Rejecting'em.

The Reporter was writing of the Substance 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Gospel so: far as it concern'd the Article 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Christ's Satisfaction: 'Twas no part of his Provin•••• to entreat of Regeneration, Conversion, Rep••••¦tance, &c. And Mr. A. might have blamed h•••••• for not opening the Nature of Faith, Regenerati•••• or Repentance, as well as for not mentioning eith•••• them, or the Order in which they are wrought. A would it not be very wisely urged, The Reporter 〈◊〉〈◊〉 dertook to discourse of the Substance of one th•••• and therefore not speaking a word of another, t•••••• of a distinct Nature, he must be interpreted to ••••¦ject that other, as if he who writes of Botannicks, m•••••• be look'd on as a denyer of the Existence of ••••¦nerals, because he confines his Discourse to 〈◊〉〈◊〉 matter in hand.

6. This Objection must be either the most T•••• fling one that ever was started; or be most Fer¦•••••••• of Blasphemous Absurdities. For, if when we 〈◊〉〈◊〉 course of what Christ hath done, and suffered for ••••¦ners, without them, the not mentioning Regen••••¦tion, Conversion, Repentance, &c. be a Rejec them, it must be because these things are Essen••••••

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Prts of Christ's Obedience and Sufferings; what ••••ore evident than that if Regeneration, Repen∣••••••ce, Good Works, &c. be not Essential Parts of ••••at Christ has done and suffered for Sinners, the ••••orter, when he gave the Substance of what we 〈◊〉〈◊〉 to believe of Christ's Obedience, and Sufferings, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 he did not mention Regeneration &c. cannot 〈◊〉〈◊〉 justly esteemed a Rejecter of them; whence 〈◊〉〈◊〉 good Man's pretences for his Charge against the ••••••orter (tho' on it, as is said by many, the Sub∣••••••ce of his late Rhapsodie depends) dwindles into ••••hing, and the Objection appears to be a most ••••••fling one. But,

1. If Regeneration, Conversion, Repentance, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Obedience, &c. be essential Parts of what ••••rist has done and suffered for Sinners without 〈◊〉〈◊〉, then 'twill follow, 1. That a Man may be ••••nerated, converted and sanctified; as well as ••••ified and adopted by a mere external or relative ••••ange: And Regeneration, Sanctification, &c. ••••port no more an internal Physical Change on the ••••art and Life than Justification doth. For if they 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Essentials of what only is done without us, Christs Obedience and Sufferings are acknowledg∣•••• to be in this Place, by Mr. A — himself, they 〈◊〉〈◊〉 be as perfect in their own Nature, without 〈◊〉〈◊〉 as Christs Satisfaction is, which is a Notion, if ••••ad been true, that would have been very useful 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Libertines, Ranters and Debauchees of the Age; 〈◊〉〈◊〉, tho' they make no Conscience of what they 〈◊〉〈◊〉 write or do; do nevertheless, please themselves ••••th the conceit of their being in a blessed State, as generated, converted and sanctified; which, ac∣••••ding to the natural and easie Consequence, that ••••es from what strength Mr. A's. Objection has in 〈◊〉〈◊〉 may be without a work wrought in them. And ••••t be thus, then Christ in doing and suffering for

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Sinners, regenerated, converted, sanctified them, &c. an all this without them; they still remaining in themselve as Vile and as Vicious as ever. Again, 'twill follo••••

2. That if the Substance of what Christ hath do•••• and suffered for Sinners, without them, cannot 〈◊〉〈◊〉 given in a Formula, unless there be the mentio made of Regeneration, Conversion, Repentan•••• new Obedience, good Works, &c. then our Fait Repentance, new Obedience, &c. are included 〈◊〉〈◊〉 what Christ hath already done and suffered for Si••••¦ners, without them, as if Christ had believed and ••••∣pented for us, yea, as if he had done whatever w•••• necessary for us to have done, in order to our actu•••••• Justification, Pardon, and entrance into the etern•••• Glory.

This is the way of my Adversary, who fears no•••• to run upon the most dangerous Precipices, nor 〈◊〉〈◊〉 give Advantage to the most malignant Heretick 〈◊〉〈◊〉 how ridiculously soever, when he fancies 'tw•••••• make against his Opposers. But,

7. That I may follow this witty Gentlema•••• somewhat further, I will go on to consider wh•••• Use he makes of this Supposition, which carries 〈◊〉〈◊〉 it the genuine Sense of the Reporter, which he giv in these words.

Here's something saith he in th•••• Draught that gives cause of Suspicion, to tho•••• who are of no jealous Inclinations: For; where•••• he informs us that Christ suffered and satisfied, th•••• all who believe might ecape Wrath to come, and ha•••• everlasting Life: Here's no necessity of Faith in ••••¦der to Justification; no believing necessary to Pard•••• of Sin, or Peace with God; no Faith needf•••• to Union with Christ, that we may have an I¦terest in his Righteousness, but only to escape Wrat to come and the having everlasting Life.
To this 〈◊〉〈◊〉 answer. 1. What is here urged, being upon Suppo¦sition, that the Reporter intended only a summar••••

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〈◊〉〈◊〉 what Christ has done and suffered for Sinners with 〈◊〉〈◊〉, and with God, and not of the Order between ••••th, and Justification, or Pardon; there is no ••••re room for suspicion in this Draught than there 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the antient Symboles, in which not a word of ••••••h's precedence to Justification or Pardon. And ••••••ld an Antinomian imitate this learned Man, in ••••way of arguing, would he not be as able to vin∣••••••e his most licentious Principles from the Apo∣•••• Creed, as Mr. A. is to fasten his Charge on the ••••ter, and after his manner, professing an extra∣••••ary Zeal for that Creed? press it, that there is ecessity of Faith in order to Justification; because 〈◊〉〈◊〉 word of it in that Symbole, though it contains 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the sum and substance of the Gospel. For, if 〈◊〉〈◊〉 is not mentioned in the Formula, composed by Reporter must be look'd on as rejected, because mentioned in it, then what is not in the Formula he Apostles, must be also look'd upon as reject∣•••• them, as if they had held, that Faith doth antecede Justification, and is not necessary to ••••••on or Peace with God. But 2. Why doth he Here's no believing necessary to Peace with God? 〈◊〉〈◊〉 he think that a Man may escape the Wrath to ••••e and have everlasting Life, tho' his Peace with 〈◊〉〈◊〉 be not made? When it's said in Scripture, that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 who believe escape the Wrath to come and have ever∣ng Life? I thought nothing less could be meant, that they had on their believing, Peace with God; is, (as Beza, Piscator, Tolet, Estius, Pareus, in Poole) 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Reconciliation; or (as Vatablus (ubi supra) are re∣••••ed into Favour with God. 3. The Godly learned heir general Discourses about these Points, have 〈◊〉〈◊〉 thought it sufficient to secure themselves from 〈◊〉〈◊〉 slanderous Accusations, as Mr. A—would fasten the Reporter; if they did but mention believing, as ••••ssary to our Deliverance from eternal Wrath, or

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to our having everlasting Life. I might give a large catalogue of learned men on this occasion, but will on∣ly instance in the learned Grotius, who, in the Sum∣mary he gave of the Catholick Faith in this very Point has it thus, at nos intercedente vera Fide, a Poena Mort aeternae liberaremur. This great Man, writing to Christs Satisfaction, saith, that Christ did it, that o the Intervention of true Faith, we might be delivere from the Punishment of eternal Death. But 4. The Reporter has one Passage more than Grotius, (wh was never thought to reject the necessity of Faith in order to Justification) namely, and have everlasting Life. Thus much the Reporter took care to inser into the substance of the Gospel in this Article, ha∣ving a regard to that Place in John 3.36. He that be lieveth on the Son hath everlasting Life. That is, hat a Right to everlasting Life. Habet, i. e. certo habituru est, as Lucas Brugensis, in Poole, who refers us unto John 1.12. where 'tis thus,

Jus ad haereditatem quod & Haereditatis nomine interdum venit, sicut qu credit (nempe sicut oportet credere; viva side,) di∣citur habe∣re vitam aeternam. C. 3.36. Sic Juris con∣sulti, is qui actionem habet ad rem ipsam, rem habe∣re videtur.
Well then, the import of what the Re∣porter has here said, is, That Christ suffered, that they who believe may have a Right to eberlasting Life, and seeing Justification carries in it a Right to Life eternal; it is as if it had been said, That they who believe may be justified. (5.) That this is the manifest intendment of the Reporter, may be seen by comparing the present Paragraph with the fore going, which is,

We are all by Nature under the Curse of the Law, and destitute of a Righteousness entitling to eternal Life.—That Vindictive Justice, which is essential unto God, makes it necessary, that the wrath be inflicted, and that there be no Right to eter∣nal

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Life without a perfect meritorious Righteous∣ness. This is our State and Condition: This is the Place, in which we are, in which if we dye, we are eternally undone.

The Reporter having shown into what a deplo∣able Condition we are brought by Sin, and urging the necessity of an Interest, in a perfect meritorious Righteousness; he proceeds to show, how we may obtain such a Righteousnes, as is meritorious of eternal life, to the end we may obtain a right thereunto, ying, 'That all who believe might escape the Wrath to come, and have everlasting Life; the Lord Jesus undertakes for us; thereby clearing it, hat they who believe having an Interest in Christs Righteousness, may have a Right to everlasting Life, that is, may be justified, so that here is an asserting of faith as necessary to Justification, Pardon and Peace with God. (6.) The Reporter in giving this brief account of the Doctrine of Christs Sa∣tisfaction, hath followed the blessed Jesus, and the oly Apostles as his Guides; for our Lord when e sent out his Disciples to preach the Gospel, bids them declare, That whoever believe and are baptized hall be saved, and they who believe not shall be damned. In this Summary, though not one word expresly of Regeneration, Conversion, Repentance, &c. nor a word of the Precedence of Faith to Justification or Par∣don of Sin; yet are all these included in it. The reaching of the Apostles was frequently the same, Believe and thou shalt be saved. But, (7.) If there had been any Strength in this Objection, Mr. A. doth make, not only the Author of the Reasonable∣ness of Christianity, and the rankest Socinians, but the very Mehometanes would be very much behold∣ing to him for it. For, if the not mentioning every Article of the Christian Faith particularly in the Letter, where our Lord gives a Summary of

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the Gospel, must import a Rejection, or at least an In∣difference about the Points not mentioned; then to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, is sufficient, and we may burn our Systems, Catechisms and larger Confes∣sions of Faith.

But (8.) If he saith, it's mentioned by our Lord Jesus and his Apostles elsewhere, I grant it, and from thence I infer, that as our Lord's not mentioning these things, in a summary, is not a Rejecting them; so the Reporter, tho' he spake not a word of them in his summary, cannot without the greatest Injustice, and wrong done him, be charged, as a Rejecter of them. And (9.) It's not unworthy our observation, that the Lord Jesus did in Mark 16.15, 16. give a summary of the whole Gospel without the mention of the particulars specified by my Adversary; but the Reporter only of the substance of the Gospel so far as we are to believe what Christ has done, and suf∣fered for Sinners without them, and with God, in which he hath insisted on the necessity of Faith, in order to our escaping the Wrath to come, and our ha∣ving Everlasting Life, which passage importing the necessity of Faith to our actual Right unto Glory, is as much as if it had been said, that it's necessary to our Justification and Pardon.

But Mr. A. it's likely, not thinking himself un∣der those Bonds which oblige to a strict adherence unto Truth, in what he either saith, or writes, I have Reason to believe, that he hath charged the Repor∣ter for Rejecting what he himself believes in his Conscience he holds, and that he hath done thus much, upon a Reason, which he is perswaded has nothing of strength in it; so dangerous a thing it is for a Man, who in his own Opinion, is a Great Wit, to enter on a Controversie, with a design to load his Opposers with False and Reproachful Charges, tho' it be to the cost and expence of his own Repu∣tation,

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and in an Instance wherein he cannot expose the Reporter, but by casting dirt on the Cathick Church, and on his own Understanding too, giving ountenance to nothing so much as unto the vain retences of such Debauched Hereticks as the Li∣centious Antinomian, and Libertines of the Age are.

Thus, we see, whither somewhat has hurried his Man, and how he has brought himself into such Circumstances, as may move a Christian Temper o Pity and Compassion, for which reason I'll say o more to this Objection, but go on to a second.

The second Objection.

Be pleased to observe. He instructs you, That we are all by Nature under the Curse of the Law, and destitute of a Righteousness, that may intitle us to Eternal Life, and that this was our Place, State and Condition.

Reply.

And was not this our Place, State, and Condition? Will Mr. A. deny it? No, he dares not; for, saith e, This we all own, and lament as too true. Where hen is his Objection? It is in the following words.

But then he instructs you also, That Christ put himself into our Place, State, and Condition: Will you not, must you not conclude from hence, That Christ also was destitute of a Righteousness to entitle him, and if himself, us too, to Eternal Life.

Reply.

1. That I may show how Mr. A. trifles in raising his Objection, I will propose the Sentiments of the Reporter about a Commutation of Persons between Christ, and us; which was the Occasion of what was said about our being destitute of a Righteousness. And it must be observ'd, that the Reporter had his Eye on the Manuscript, in which its Author, speak∣ing of a proper Commutation, saith,

That it is the same with a proper Surrogation, where the Surety

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[or Surrogate] puts on the Person, and stands in the Quality, State, and Condition of the Debtor, and lies under the same Obligation he did to answer for him.
Not that he apprehended the Agreement there is between Christ's Suretiship, and that a∣mongst Men to be adaequate, and full; nor did he allude unto a Creditor and Debtor to insinuate, that whatever may be truly affirmed of them, in Humane Courts, might be safely applied unto God, and Sin∣ners, as to Christ acting the part of a Surety: But, to explain how Christ came under the same Obliga∣tions, we stood; and by his Satisfaction, and Merit Redeems us from that miserable state and condition our sin had cast us into, and procures for us a Right to Eternal Life; And therefore in Obedience to the Holy Scriptures, he considered Jesus Christ as a Surety that came into the State, Quality, or Con∣dition of Sinners, so far, and no further, than to come under the same Obligations, and Bonds with us, to answer for us, and do, on our behalf, what was im∣possible to be done by our selves. And that he might make this the more clear, he represented unto us that State, in which we all are by Nature, affirming, That we are all under the Curse, destitute of a Righteousness, that may entitle us to Eternal Life. And, that, except Satisfaction be made both to Pu∣nitive, and Remunerative Justice, it's impossible for us to be saved. For, seeing the Law, under which we were Created is of Everlasting Obligation, we stand bound thereby both to Obedience, and the Punish∣ment, and until this Debt be paid, we cannot be Relieved.

This is our State, this is our Condition, and that they who believe may be brought out of this Place, State, and Condition, and have Everlasting Life, Christ came into this Place, into this State, and Con∣dition, that is, he came under those Bonds, and Obiga∣tions

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that lay on us, that, by answering them, we ight be the Redeemed, and Saved.

But, saith Mr. A. if it be thus, Christ must be de∣itute of a Righteousness; to which I reply, By no eans; and if we consider how it is between a Surety and a Debtor, in our Courts, we may soon see he contrary. For, when one becomes Surety for a∣nother, he comes into the Place, State and Condition f that other, that is, under the same Bonds and Ob∣ligations to pay for him, what he could not do for himself. But, would any Man of Sense say, that the Surety coming into the same State and Condition of the Debtor, to pay his Debts for him, must be thereupon destitute of what is necessary in order thereunto? He comes into the Place of one who is Insolvent, but must he therefore be himself Insol∣vent, and yet pay what neither the Debtor nor him∣self can pay? Thus you see what Mr. A's. Ob∣jection is at last come to. But,

2. The Righteousness of which our Discourse is, an∣swers that Law, which said, Do this and live; In the day thou sinnest thou shalt die; and it is to make Satisfaction both to Punitive and Remunerative Justice. For whatever some may impertinently object, it may be very safely said, that Justice distributes Re∣wards and Punishments, and therefore is rightly de∣nominated Remunerative and Punitive. For though it's said, That Punishment is merited by, or is ra∣ther the Demerit of sin; and that the Sinner, when he bears the Punishment due unto him for his Ini∣quity, partakes of the Reward of Ʋnrighteousness; yet none can with the least pretence to Reason, say, That Punitive and Remunerative are Terms in all respects Coincident. For, it's most notorious, that when Believers are, for the sake of Christ's Righte∣ousness rewarded with Eternal Life, they are not then punished; though Remunerative Justice is then glorified, yet Punitive Justice is not so

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But, being assured, that Mr. Alsop saith, these Terms of Remunerative and Punitive Justice are Co∣incident; I will give the Sense of some learned Pro∣testants about it. Gilbertus Voet, a Man of good Learning and a right Calvinist, discoursing of the Justice of God, saith, that Justitia Dei est vel in Dictis, vel in Factis. Posterior duplex scilicet Regi∣minis, & Judicii. Justitia Judicii est, quae secun∣dum Opera Mercedem retribuit. Est{que} haec duplex, vel, Remunerativa seu Praemians secundum Promis∣sionem erga bene agentes; vel Correctiva erga male agentes. Quae etiam distinguitur in Castigantem er∣ga Filios, & Vindicantem, seu Punitivam proprie, & stricte sic dictam erga Reprobos. Voet. Select. Disput. Pas. 1. Disp. de Jure & Justitia pag. 357, 358. And the learned Doctor Owen, in his Dia∣tribe de Justitia Divina, saith the same, affirming it to be the general Sense of Modern Divines, not one of them who writ on the Divine Attributes, being of a different Opinion: And in the Margine, he makes particular mention of Zanchy, Voet, Ma∣resius and others; directing us also unto Doctor Ames his Cases of Conscience; who in the second Chapter of his fifth Book, resolves this Question viz. Whether Remuneration or Punition belongs, to Communicative or to Distributive Justice? Whether Mr. A. understood these things or not, is not in my Opinion very material, it being sufficient to my purpose, that in the Judgment of wiser Men than himself these Terms are not so Coincident, as it's said he doth insinuate.

But to return, The Lord Jesus undertaking to make Satisfaction both to Punitive and Remunera∣tive Justice, that is to say, the obliging himself to suffer the Punishment due to us; for the Satisfac∣tion of Punitive Justice, and render Obedience to the same Law, to merit the Reward we had

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ost; the Righteousness the Reporter spake of, lieth 〈◊〉〈◊〉 bearing the threatned Curse, and in obeying the Pre∣••••pts of that Law we violated. And I demand of ••••r. Alsop, Whether the Lord Jesus was always ossess'd of this Righteousness? Had he it the ••••rst Instant of his undertaking? or when he first ame into our Place, State and Condition?

That there was no Guile in the Mouth, nor De∣••••it in the Heart of the blessed Jesus; That he as ever, even whilst he was in a State of Exa∣nition without Spot, Holy, Harmless, Undefiled, ••••parate from Sinners, and at the greatest distance ••••om the least Pollution or Impurity, we do firmly elieve: And though he had not actually a satisfying-eritorious Righteousness before, he did by his Pae∣••••l Sufferings, and his perfect Obedience to the vio∣••••ted Law satisfy and merit; yet was he at no in∣••••ant of time destitute, of what in that instant it ecame him to have. But its like, nothing will ••••tisfie Mr. A. but the granting, That either be∣••••re, or at his undertaking; or at least the first ••••••ment of his entring on the work of our Redemp∣on, he was actually possess'd of a satisfactory eritorious Righteousness, as if he believed, that Christ before he obeyed and suffered, did perfect∣•••• obey and fully satisfie. How else can he make ••••hideous a Noise, about the Reporters holding, at Christ was destitute of a Righteousness, enti∣••••ng himself and us too, to eternal Life? Once more. 3. Mr. A— blames the Reporter for suggesting if Christ had not a Righteousness, entitling himself 〈◊〉〈◊〉 eternal Life. To which I answer,

1. That the Reporter, spake not about Christs ha∣••••ng, or not having a Righteousness entitling himself 〈◊〉〈◊〉 eternal Life. But, 2. Seeing Mr. A. doth insi∣••••nate, That Jesus Christ hath wrought for himself Righteousness, that he might by it be entitled

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to Eternal Life, I will consider the Import and Ten∣dency of such an Assertion.

1. As for its Import, it cannot be any thing less than that the Lord Jesus Christ was once in a state of Tryal, and made under the same Law for himself, that we were for our selves, and that Obedience was required of him, to the end that he merit Eterna Life for himself: Whence it follows, That when the Promise of Eternal Life was proposed, for the Encouragement of his Obedience, he had no Right nor Title to Eternal Life; no, not for himself: But that to get a Title thereunto, he was under the Obligation of the same Law, that we were; and to speak most modestly of Mr. A's. Notion, The Lord Jesus Christ, God-Man, was antecedently to his rendring Obedience to the Law, which said, Do this and live. He was as destitute of a Right to Eternal Life, as Adam was on his first Creation. Thus, whilst he would fasten on the Reporter the groundless Charge of making Christ destitute of 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Righteousness; he makes our Blessed Lord destitute of Eternal Life, ay, of a Right thereunto: But le us consider,

2. The Tendency of this Notion; and that I may do it with the greater clearness, I will deliver what I design to offer on this occasion; as pressed by the Learned, Judicious and Holy Doctor Owen▪ who in his Day excelled most Men in these Studies And whoever will consult his Discourse of Justifi∣cation from page 366 to page 378. will see, That this great Man in confuting the Socinians, and their next of Kin in the Doctrine of Christ's Satisfaction and our Justification, doth with much concern, de∣clare and strongly prove, That Christ came not under the Law for himself, but for us.

To set this Important Point in the clearer Light it must be observed, That the Controversie is not,

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whether the Humane Nature of Christ, as it is a Ra∣ional Creature, be subject unto the Law of Crea∣ion, and eternally obliged from the Nature of God, ••••d its Relation thereunto, to Love him, Obey him, epend upon him, and to make him its End, Blessed-••••ss, and Reward. For as the Dr. admirably wel ••••presseth it; 'The Law of Creation, thus consi∣dered, doth not respect the World, and this Life only; but the Future State of Heaven, and Eter∣nity. But the Point here controverted is, Whe∣••••er Christ be under the Law, as it is imposed on reatures by especial Dispensation, for some time, ••••d for some certain End, with some Considerations, ••••les, and Orders, that belong not essentially to the ••••w, as before described, as it is presented unto us, ••••••t absolutely and eternally, but whilst we are in this World, and that with this special End, that by Obe∣••••••nce thereunto, we may obtain the Reward of ternal Life?

To this the Dr. answers; That the Lord Jesus Christ was not made under the Law, under this ••••nsideration, for himself, to the end he might get a ale unto Eternal Life.

For, (saith the Doctor) upon the first Instant of the Ʋnion of his Natures, being holy, harmless, undefiled, and separate from Sinners, he might, notwithstanding that Law, he was made subject unto, have been stated in Glory. For, he that was the Object of all Divine Worship, ceded not any New Obedience to procure for him state of Blessedness.
And a little before.
Setting side (saith the Doctor) the consideration of the Grace, and Love of Christ, and the Compact be∣ween the Father and the Son, as to the Undertaking or us, which undeniably proves all that he did in pursuit of them to be done for us, and not for imself.
I say,
setting aside the consideration of

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these things, and the Humane Nature of Christ, b vertue of its Ʋnion with the Person of the Son 〈◊〉〈◊〉 God, had a Right unto, and might have immed∣ately been admitted into the Highest Glo•••• whereof it was capable, without any Anteceder Obedience unto the Law. And this is appare•••• from hence, in that from the First Instant of th Ʋnion, the whole Person of Christ, with our Natu•••• Existing therein, was the Object of all Divi•••• Worship from Angels and Men, wherein consis the Highest Exaltation of that Nature.
So f•••• Dr. Owen.

Here then you see a difference between this Lea∣ned Dr. and Mr. A. Mr. A. suggests as if Chri•••• were under the Law, which saith, Do this and liv for Himself, as well as for us, that he might be e•••• titled to Eternal Life; but the Dr. denies it up•••• the weightiest consideration. Besides, the Doct•••• is the more positive in his Opinion, as it doth mo•••• effectually subvert the Notion of Socinus, which 〈◊〉〈◊〉 That our Lord Jesus Christ was for himself, or on 〈◊〉〈◊〉 own account, obliged unto all that Obedience, which 〈◊〉〈◊〉 performed, and therefore could no more obey, a•••• satisfie for others, than any other person. But th Doctor proves, That Christ's Obedience unto t•••• Law was for Vs, and not for Himself; and ther by doth most effectually enervate the strength 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Socinus his Argument, which upon Mr. A's. Notio receives new Life, and Vigour.

Whoever desires a suller understanding of th Controversie, will do well to consult the Doct•••• himself; who, in the pages referred unto, hath 〈◊〉〈◊〉 fully, and clearly stated this Doctrine, as to obvia•••• Objections, made against it by the Remonstrant Socinians, and others; but what I have here said 〈◊〉〈◊〉 sufficient to shew Mr. A's. Mistake, and what coun∣tenance

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it gives the Socinians, and how much reason 〈◊〉〈◊〉 hath to be more in his Study consulting, not ay-Books for the sake of foolish Jests, but the oly Scriptures, and the Learned Writings of D. O. ••••d other Orthodox Divines, that for the future, rough inadvertency, or otherwise, he give not those dvantages to the common Enemies of our Holy eligion, he hath too oft done. But I pass on to third Objection.

The Third Objection.

We are sin, (saith the Reporter) and under a Curse: Can you, with all your Penetration, Divine the eason, why it's said, we are sin? —but how ••••e we sin?—why must it be phrased thus, we are 〈◊〉〈◊〉? It was Poetically and Satyrically said, That lexander the sixth, was non tam vitiosus, ••••àm vitium, non tam scelestus quàm scelus: but ••••e need to be taught how Man was sin? sin it ••••lf?

Reply.

1. That Mr. Alsop is so very much at a loss to ••••d out the genuine meaning of the word Sin, en it's said we are Sin, as if it had been never used in Scripture, doth not a little surprize; it ••••ng so common for the Holy-Ghost to express the ••••erlative Degree by the Abstract, not only in ••••er Instances, but even in this, that doth so puz∣•••• and confound him. For, as the Devils, whose ••••s are exceeding great, are called, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 or spiritual wickedness, so wicked Men are cal∣•••• Wickedness, particularly, in 1 Cor. 6.9, 10, 11. ere is an enumeration of sundry sorts of Sinners, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 render it, [And such were some of you] 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, ••••t is, as may be seen in Poole; talia scelera eratis, ••••th Wickednesses were some of you; and as Ca∣arius, ut cum Sceleratum dicimus Scelus. The

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like also in Ephesians 5.8. ye were Darkness, that is, as Zanchy, ut Scelus pro scelestissimo; and Bishop Reynolds observes, on Psalm 110. The Lord, to sig∣nifie that his People were most Rebellious, saith, that they were Rebellion it self, Ezek. 2.8. and many other instances of this kind might be given, which may move some of no jealous Inclinations, to su∣spect, that the Objector hath been more conversant with the Poets, than with the Prophets and Apos∣tles.

2. Well then, by comparing Scripture with Scripture, the signification of the word [Sin] is very obvious, denoting the greatness of Wickedness we are Sin; we are Sin in the Abstract, we are Sinners in the highest degree. But,

3. Doth not this Interpretation give advantage to the Objector, who saith,

you shall see the mys∣tery of his Phraseology; it was to mislead you, into that Abomination, that Christ was sinful, that h was a Sinner; for, if Christ was Sin in the same Acceptation, that we are, then he was sinful, h was a Sinner, and the greatest Sinner, that eve was in the World.
To this I answer, That what∣ever is here suggested, my Interpretation of the word [Sin,] gives not the least advantage to th Objector. For,

1. If the word [Sin] has a Sense in the Superla∣tive Degree, in which it is true, not only of us, bu of Christ, without making Christ inherently sinful or personally guilty; all this noise is to no pur∣pose.

2. That Christ was Sin in an Acceptation, tha we are Sin without being Inherently Sinsul, i evident; as the word [Sin imports Guilt, I mea Legal Guilt, and a proper Punishment consequen thereupon. Sin in Scripture oft imports the sam

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with Legal Guilt, in the Sense described by the arned Bishop of Worcester, and it also oft-times ••••gnifies Punishment. My Sin, and sometimes my uilt, at other times my Punishment; and when uilt and Punishment are expressed by the word Sin, e are not only directed to our Sins as the merito∣us Cause, but to the dreadful and dismal Effects. We are Sin, we are upon the account of our Trans∣ressions exceeding Guilty, and the Punishment they serve is exceeding great. But,

3. If Christ be not Sin in some of the same Ac∣ptations, in which we are Sin, then the Guilt of ••••r Sins was never transferred upon Christ, nor the unishment thereof inflicted on him; which is a ry liberal giving up the Controversie to the Soci∣ans, who deny Christ to be made Sin in any one ense, in which we are Sin, and so will not own at our Guilt was laid upon him, or a proper Pun∣ent inflicted on him.

4. If Christ be in no Sense Sin, in which we e Sin, then our Sins were never imputed unto hrist, nor did he, in a proper sense, bear our Guilt, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Punishment, nor was he, nor could he be a Proper ••••crifice for sin. To say, that Christ was a Sacrifice 〈◊〉〈◊〉 sin, in a proper sense, and yet not sin in any one se, in which we are sin, is to say he had not the uilt, nor the Punishment of sin upon him, and that e was not a proper Sacrifice for sin; for it's essen∣al to a proper Sacrifice for sin, to have the Guilt, ••••d Punishment of sin laid upon it. Upon this ac∣unt it is that amongst the Hebrews the word 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 is used for sin, the Guilt, the Punishment, and ••••crifice. And amongst the Greeks, and Latines the ne word signifies a wicked man, and an Expiatory ••••crifice.

Thus 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 is. as Dr. Owen against Biddle, cap. 22. observes, Homo pia cularis pro Lu∣stratione,

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& Expiatione Patriae devotus; whence the word is often used, as scelus in Latin for a wicked man, a man fit to be destroyed and taken away Agreeably hereunto, Budaeus renders that place o the Apostle, 1 Cor. 4.13.
〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉nos tanquam piacula—we as as the accursed thing of the World, and Sacrifices for the People; it being, a may be seen in Poole in loc. the Custom of som Countries, in the day of their Calamity, to take th vilest amongst the People, and Sacrifice them, wh by the Athenians were called 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉; so common hath it been for the Sinner, and the Sacrifice to bea the same Name even amongst the Heathen; but i the Holy Scriptures nothing more evident, because the Sin, for which the Sacrifice was to be offered was laid upon it in the Old Testament, whereby the Laying of our sins on the Lord Jesus, which wa a necessary antecedent to his Death, as he was a Sa∣crifice, was prefigured. But,

5. Mr. A. writes, as if he had either never known or had quite forgot what is so very obvious to mos Divines; and therefore what he saith on this occa∣sion is to be the less regarded, and to be consider∣ed as what can serve no other sort of People, tha the Socinians, and their Allies, tho' I still charitably hope, that he abhors their Tenents, even when hi Writings do, in too many instances, favour thei Cause.

The Fourth Objection.

That it is a mistake to conclude from Christ being called Surety, that therefore he came unde the Sanction of the Law of Works. And the rather because being stiled the Surety of a better Testament can respect only the Covenant of Grace.

Reply.

1. I do not say that this is an Objection of Mr.

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Alsop's framing, nor will I answer it as such. The Episcopianism, and Socinianism, that is in it, is so clear n evidence of its being formed by a Well-wisher o the Errours of our Adversaries, that I'll not asten it on one in whose Writings I have not met ith it. But that 'tis of the same nature with hat Mr. W. hath advanced, is to me most certain.

2. Whatever this Objector hath, with a boldness ommon amongst our Adversaries, asserted, I must ave leave to suggest, that by this way of arguing, ••••d by these Assertions, he hath left out Orthodox Writers, and is gone over to the Tents of Limborch, ••••rcellaeus, Schlictingtons, and Crellius.

3. That herein the Objector has forsaken the Or∣odox, I will evince by setting down the Senti∣ents of some of the most Eminent amongst them. nd that I may be the more convincing in what I 〈◊〉〈◊〉, I must observe, that the hinge of this Contro∣ersie turns on a sound determination of this Que∣••••on, viz. Whether Christs Suretiship belongs to his Priestly ffice, or not? For, if it belongs unto the Priestly Of∣••••e, 'twill unavoidably follow, that as our Surety, e Lord Jesus offered up himself a Sacrifice to God 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Expiation of the Guilt of our sins, that to is end he took on him our Guilt, and bore the unishment due to us, which he could not do but by ••••ming under the Sanction of the violated Law. The ••••nnection there is between Christ's Priesthood, ••••d his offering up a proper Sacrifice, between his eing a proper Sacrifice, and his bearing the Guilt, ••••d Punishment of our sins; and between his bear∣••••g the Guilt, and Punishment of our sin, and his eing under the Sanction of the violated Law, is so ose, so firmly fixed, and inviolable, that, on the ••••anting, that Christ's Suretiship belongs to him, as ••••iest, the whole here mentioned necessarily fol∣lows.

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The Links are too strog to be broken. If then our Divines hold, that the Suretiship mention∣ed in Heb. 7.22. belongs to Christs Priestly Office, if they produce this Text to prove, that Christ as our Surety took on him the Guilt and Punishment of our sins, to satisfie God's Justice for them, then they do run counter herein, unto the Episcopians and Socinians, in holding that Christ came under the Sanction of the Law.

4. That, in what I have delivered, I have given the sense of the Orthodox is manifest. The Learned Bishop Reynolds on Psal. 110.4. p. 417. saith,

That Christ, being a Priest, must of necessity be a Me∣diator, and Surety between Parties, that he might have one, unto whom, and others, for whom, and in whose behalf to offer a Sacrifice. Every Priest must be a Mediator to stand between God and the People, and to intercept, and bear the Iniquity o their Holy things— But every Mediator is not presently a Priest, for there is a Mediator only by way of Intreaty and Prayer, &c. And there are Me∣diators by way of Satisfaction, as Sureties are be∣tween the Creditor and the Debtor; and such a Me∣diator was Christ; not only a Mediator, but also a Surety of a better Covenant, Heb. 8.6. Heb. 7.22. He was not to procure Remission of our sins by way of Favour and Request, but he was set forth to declare the Righteousness of God, Rom. 3.25. and such a Mediator between God and Us must needs be a Priest too. For the Debt, which we Owed un∣to God was Blood. Without shedding of Blood there is no Remission, Heb. 9.22.
Essenius, who is applaud∣ed for his Defence of Grotius, de Satisfactione, by Lu∣therans, as well as Calvenists, saith the same;
Quan∣tum ad Locum, Heb. 7.22. rationes à Crellio, allatas cur Christus Sponsor Novi Foederis vocetur minimè

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sufficere oftendimus, Sect. 1. hujus Libri. Imò in an∣ecedentibus, & consequentibus agitur de Sacerdotio Christi quo ipse non fungitur nomine Dei apud bomines; sed nontine Hominum, apud Deum, cui se victimam obtulit.
At{que} Ita Sponsorem egit pro hominibus apud Deum. Essen Triump. Crucis, 〈◊〉〈◊〉. 2. sect. 3. cap. 1. p. 500. Judicious Mr. Strong, his Discourse of the two Covenants, lib. 2. cap. 2. ••••ct. 1. § 2. p. 128. has it thus; 'The Lord Christ, by becoming a Surety, did give his hand; that is, be did enter into Covenant with the Lord, and so his Name is put into our Bond, Gal. 4.4, 5. He is said to be made under the Law, and that as a Co∣venant; and when the Apostle saith, He is the Surety of a better Covenant, whereas the main of Christ's Suretiship refers unto the first Covenant, the Covenant of Works broken, and therefore, in respect of our Debt, he is the Surety of the first Cove∣nant; yet the Apostle doth not so express it, but of the better Covenant, because the Commutation of the Person, the bringing in of a Surety, doth properly belong unto the Covenant of Grace, and it is a part of the Covenant of Grace, that there should be 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, or a Propitiation, one to stand in our stead, or to make Satisfaction to the Justice of God for the Breach of the Covenant of Works; and therefore the whole Suretiship of Christ doth refer unto the Covenant of Grace, of which his standing in our stead, and paying our Debt, is a principal part. To this of Mr. Strong I will add what Mr. Alsop with about the Covenant of Grace, in his Anti-Sozzo, 717, &c.
The Covenant of Grace may be con∣sidered, either in its Constitution, or Execution:— In the Execution of the fixed Constitutionthe Re∣deeming Mediator Vndertakes with God as a Righte∣ous Judge—and therefore becomes a Priest, a

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Sacrifice, a Price, a Ransom, a Curse, to satisf•••••• the Iudge and his Law—Christ himself is promi∣sed in the Covenant as the Great Comprehensive Bles∣sing of the Covenant, Isa. 49.8, 9.
So that Chris being given in the Covenant of Grace, to Redeen us by his Death, and Sufferings, by his satisfying th Judge, and his Law, from that Misery, our sins ha brought upon us, he might very well be stiled by th Apostle, Heb. 7.22. a Surety of a better Covenant, o Testament, which shows the vanity of that part o the Objection, which saith, Christ cannot be said to come under the Sanction of the Law of Works, because being stiled the Surety of a better Testament, cat respect only the Covenant of Grace. Once more.

The Learned Dr. Owen, in opposition to the In∣terpretation given of Heb. 7.22. by Schlictingius Curcellaeus, and Hammond, (and I may justly add to that given by Mr. W.) declares.

That the genera∣lity of Expositors, Antient, and Modern, of the Ro∣man, and Protestant Churches, on the place, affirm, that the Lord Christ, as the Surety of the Cove∣nant, was properly a Surety, or Ʋndertaker unto God for us; and not a Surety, or Ʋndertaker unto us for God. And because this is a matter of great importance, wherein the Faith and Consolation of the Church is highly concerned, I shall (saith he) a little insist upon it—It is the Priesthood of Christ that the Apostle treats of in this place, [viz. Heb. 7.22.] and that alone. Wherefore he is a Surety as he is a Priest, and in the discharge of that Office, and therefore is so with God on our behalf—He undertook, as the Surety of the Covenant, to answer for all the sins of those, who are to be, and are made Partakers of the Benefits of it; that is, to undergo the Punishment due unto their sins; to make Attonement for them

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by offering himself a Propitiatory Sacrifice for the Expiation of their sins, Redeeming them by the ••••ice of his Blood from their state of Misery, and Bondage under the Law, and the Curse of it.
Isa. 53.4, 5, 6, 10. Matth. 20.28. 1 Tim. 2.6. 1 Cor. 6.20. Rom. 3.25, 26. Heb. 10.5, 6, 7, 8. Rom. 8.2, 3. 2 Cor. 5.19, 20, 21. Gal. 3.13. And his was Absolutely Necessary, that the Grace and Glory prepared in the Covenant, might be com∣municated to us. This, and much more to the me purpose hath the Learned Dr. in his Disc. of ••••stif. p. 256, &c. To whom I will only add what e Learned Author of the Interest of Reason in Re∣ion offers on this Point. 'Whereas Christ is stiled saith he) the Surety of a better Covenant, it i be∣cause the Enacting of the Covenant of Grace re∣spects his Undertaking to he made sin, and to un∣dergo the Curse as the Moral Cause and Condition; without which there had been no Overtures of Mercy made to the Sons of Men, p. 537, 538.

5. What these Great Men have here delivered, oth not only testifie to the Truth of what I have ffirmed about the Opposition the Or. hodex have ade against the Interpretation given of Heb. 7.22. ••••y Mr. W. Curcellaeus, and the Socinian; but it also doth. ost convincingly prove, that Christ's Suretiship be∣longs to his Priesthood, that in his Acting the part of Surety, or in the Execution of his Priestly Office, e Offered up himself a Sacrifice, took on him our uilt and Punishment, and, to this end, came under he Sanction of the violated Law. For,

6. The connection the Apostle affirms to be be∣ween Christ's Suretiship and his Priestly Office is uch, that a denying Christ to be a Surety, under∣aking to bear the Guilt and Punishment of our sins, or that he came under the Sanction of the Law, to

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satisfie God's Justice for us, hath a direct tendency to subvert the true Notion of the Priestly Office. Of this Schlictingius was so sensible, that he could think on no way (as Dr. O. observes) to solve the Apostles mention of Christ's being a Surety in the Description of his Priestly Office, but by overthrow∣ing the Nature of that Office also. Of Justif. p. 261, 262, 263. Have we not then reason enough to be concern'd to see any, amongst our selves, turning aside from the Common Faith delivered to us from the Lord Jesus, and his Apostles, and falling in with the Inveterate Enemies of our Saviour's Satisfa∣ction? One thing more I must note,

7. That the Notion, Paraphrase, and Exposition, gi∣ven by Socinians, and a few other Authors, of Christ's being made, and called our Surety, because of his Ʋndertaking to be Pledge, and Guarranty for God to Sinners, that upon their Repentance and Faith he will both pardon, and bestow upon them Eternal Life, is no ways either consistent with, or to be reconciled unto what the same Apostle had declared, chap. 6. p. 16, 17. where, tho' he had been discoursing of Christ's Priestly Office, he doth ne∣vertheless expresly, and positively affirm, that God's Word of Promise, accompanied, and ratified by his Oath, is the whole, and that praeclusive of all other means of Security, and Assurance, which we either need; or, that God hath in this matter been plea∣sed to afford us, in order to the stedfastness of our Faith, the Fulness of our Consolation; God being wil∣ling more abundantly to shew unto the Heirs of Promise the Immutability of his Counsel confirm'd it by an Oath, that by two Immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lye, we might have a strong Consolation, who have fled for Refuge, to lay hold upon the Hope set before us. So that the Reason of his being styled

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the Surety of the better Testament is, because of his ••••ffering and performing those great Things for us owards God, without which the Testamental Inhe∣••••tance bequeathed in that better Testament, would ot have been upon any Terms acruable unto, nd claimable by us.

The Fifth Objection.

That by saying Christ sustained the Person of Sinners, Mr. L. must be thought to acknowledge, That he dyed for the Reprobate, as well as for the Elect, and that it favours the Nestorians, who maintain, That Christ was constituted of two Per∣sons.

Reply.

1. What is objected against me in these words, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 as much against the generation of the Orthodox, ho use the same Phrases which I do. Not that ••••intend only the Lutherans in this Instance, who are ••••iesly concern'd in the first part of the Objection, or I use it in no other sense than the Reformed ••••nerally do.

2. The Conffusion which the Author of this Objection is fallen into, in his opposing the Phrase 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Christs sustaining the Person of Sinners, has oved some to fear, that all things are not Right ith him. For one while this Phrase can signifie othing less than that Christ puts on the Disguise of inners (Horresco referens) and Acts the part of a age-Player; at another time, it must import Ne∣ianism, as if Christ had taken on him the Natu∣•••••• Person of Sinners; And again, the Enquiry is, hether the Persons of Sinners are not Ʋnited, nd to be considered as One Person, and whether hrist did not die and satisfie for that One Person, hat is for all equally, which he doth not believe to e our sense, as he declares. But,

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3. The sense, in which we use this Phrase, is known to Divines of the least accquaintance with these Studies, so that unless there had been a fault somewhere, the Objector could not have been thus puzzled, for it hath been cleared in my De∣fence, that when its said Christ sustained the Person of Sinners, it's not meant that the Person he took on him, was either a Feigned or a Natural Person, that it was only a Legal Person; so that, did he understand what is most plain and easie, he could not but see that he had not the least Pretence for his Blasphemous Representation of our blessed Saviour's Acting the part of a Stage-Player; nor for his charging us with Nestorianism.

4. As for his Endeavour to infer from this Phrase of [Christs sustaining the Person of Sinners] the Doctrine of Universal Redemption, is so de∣stitute of the least colour of Reason, that as he believes we do not hold it, so it hath no Founda∣tion for its support: For the Phrase of [Christ sustaining the Person of Sinners] and that other o [Christs dying for Sinners] is of one and the same Extent, and the Interpretation given by the Ortho∣dox of the one, is sufficient to vindicate the other from his trifling Cavils. But,

5. When we say, That Christ sustained the Per∣son of Sinners, we mean it of those Sinners, who are given by the Father to the Son, whom the Father will draw unto him, who come to the Father by the Son, do believe are Converted, Regenerated and Saved. In a word, we mean it of Elect Sinners.

The Sixth Objection.

That it is both Scandalous and Blasphemous to say▪ That Pestilent Doctrines have been oftentimes Com∣municated in the Language of Scripture.

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1. When I wrote my Defence of the Report, ob∣erving how zealous Mr. W's and his Substitute, ere for strict Adherences unto Scripture words, nd how much against the use of some Terms and hrases (chosen by the Orthodox, to explain the Truth) because not in the Letter of Scripture, I ••••ought it necessary to suggest in my Defence, as did, p. 59. That it hath been the way of the Here∣••••cks to Quarrel with such Terms and Phrases as he Church had chosen, because not found in the etter of Scripture; adding, That amongst many thers, it's well observ'd by the Learned Mr. Norton f New-England, That the most Pestilent Doctrines ••••ve been Communicated in the Language of Scripture; ••••on which (as I am told) Mr. Alsop briskly deli∣ers his charitable Censure, vix. That to say so is oth Seandalous and Blasphemous. But,

2. What Mr. Norton said is Matter of Fact, in Point whereof the Truth is too Notorious to be ••••nyed. And may we not transmit to Posterity the retched and villanaous Practices of Vile Hereticks, ithout falling under the censure of being both andalous and Blasphemous?

3. If it be Blasphemous to relate a Matter of this ature, some of the most Judicious and Learned istoriographers and Fathers of the Church, such Eusebius, Theodoret, Gregory Nazianzen, St. Jerom, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Austine, and many others, who have faithfully elated, with much clearness detected the Frauds ••••d confuted the detestible Errors of Hereticks e Guilty. And whoever will escape this Mans enaces and Threatings, whilst they behold the afty Methods of the Enemies to our Holy Re∣ligion, tho' subversive of the Truth, and ruinous 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the Souls of Men, must tamely look on, and not

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speak one word of them, because they deliver thei Pernicious Doctrines in Scripture Language. Bu

4. As in all ages of the Church, Hereticks hav had their Advocates to plead their Cause, or at lea•••• to extenuate and speak favourably of their Errors in like manner, there have not been wanting some who tho' to the hazard of their Liberty, their Reputa∣tion and Lives, because of malitious Intreagues an Invidious Designs of Erroneous Delators, have di∣covered the Cheat, oppugned the Errour, and de∣fended the Truth.

5 That it hath been the way of Hereticks t act deceitfully, and communicate their Pestilen Notions in Scripture Language; I will, for the sak of the Objector, and such as want either Ability o Opportunity to consult Church History, or the Fa∣thers, show out of Kracanthorp, who, in his Trea∣tise of the fifth General Council, held at Constantinopl under the Emperor Justinian, making a very stric search into these matters, comes at last to this Con∣clusion, viz.

That the Nestorians spake like Catho∣licks, but thought otherwise: Their Words wer holy, and Orthodoxal, but their Sense and Mean∣ing was Blasphemous, and Heretical. Neither wa this any New Policy of the Nestorians; the Ar∣ans, the Pelagians, almost all Hereticks have pra∣ctised the like. Out of them all (saith he) I wil here alledge but one Example. Vitalis, a Presby∣ter of Antioch was accused unto Damasus to main∣tain in some part the Heresie of Apollinaris, as de∣nying Christ to have a Soul or Mind; at the motion of Damasus he delivered in Writing a Confession of his Faith—In this Confession Vitalis had pla∣ced the very words of the Scripture, not depraved not any way changed, neither the Order, nor th Writing of them being corrupted. But, when Vi∣talis

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came among his own Fellows, to them he pened his secret meaning and his Fraud.
Whence ••••akanthorp observes, That an Heretical Profession ••••y be made in the very words of holy Scripture; hich is, as if it had been said, Pestilent Doctrines ••••y be communicated in Scripture Language. And must add,

6. That as it hath been a common practice of ••••reticks, to keep most rigidly to the Letter of Scrip∣••••re; and from time to time, provoke their Ortho∣••••x Opposers thereunto; so, the Church, to the end e might the more effectually discover the Heresie, & ••••retick, explain and defend the Truth, did always use apt Words, Terms, and Phrases, from which the ••••amour of Hereticks could never prevail with her 〈◊〉〈◊〉 turn.

Doctor Owen, in the Preface to his Answer unto ••••ddle, speaks very fully unto this Point, declaring, ••••t it has been his observation,

That such Words 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Expressions, as are not 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 found in Scripture, ••••e Questioned and Rejected by none but such as y their Rejection intend and aim at the Removal f the Truth it self, which by them is expressed nd plentifully revealed in the Word.
Hence when Valens the Arian Emperor, sent Modestus the Praetorian Praefect, to persuade Basil to be an Arian, the Man intreats him not to be so rigid as o displease the Emperor, and trouble the Church, for 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Over-strict Observance of Opinions; it being but ••••e Word, indeed one Syllable, that made the Difference. And he thought it not Prudence to stand so much upon so small a Business. The Holy Man eply'd,
However Children might be so dealt withal, those who are bred up in the Scriptures, or nourished with the Word, will not suffer one Syllable of Divine Truth to be betrayed. The like attempt of this of

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Valens and Modestus upon Basil, was made by the Arian Bishops at the Council of Arminum, who pleaded earnestly for the Rejection of one, or two Words, not found in Scripture, laying on the Plea much weight, when it was the Eversion of the Deity of Christ, which they intended and attempted Thus Doctor O. ubisupra. p. 21.

7. After the same manner, in the present Con∣troversie, my Adversaries make an amazing Noise crying out that the Quarrel is only about some Words, Terms, Phrases and Expressions, such as Chang of Persons, Christs sustaining the Person of Sinners, &c. which are neither in Scripture, nor in any Publick Confessions, and thus make a horrid strife about Words, when there is an agreement in things; calling upon us, to show the Scripture, that hath the con∣troverted Words and Phrases literally in them, which you see from what I have urged out of Dr. Owen is an old Practice of Hereticks: I will further show out of the Learned Dalley, who in his Demonstra∣tion of Faith from Scripture, gives a particular ac∣count of the Reasonings of the Antient Hereticks, and of what Answers the Fathers returned unto them.

This great Man Notes it as the Practice of Arians and other Hereticks, to provoke to the Express Letter of Scripture, for the use of those Terms and Phrases that were then controverted. For instance▪

Where is it (say they) in the Letter, that the Son is Consubstantial with the Father, where in so many Words and Syllables? Away with your Syl∣logisms, and show where nakedly and literally it said, that the Son is the True God. So Pascentius Comes an Arian, in St. Austin, In what Text is the word Omoousios, or Consubstantial? And in Victor Vitensis, its said, that Hunnericus, an Arian

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King of the Vandals, in an Edict, by which he commanded the Catholick Bishops of the Affrican Churches to meet with Men of his own Opinion about Matters of Faith, would have them show the Faith of the Omoousians to be in so many Let∣ters and Syllables of Scripture.
But,

8. This way of Arguing was exploded by the athers, as Absurd and Foolish, who constantly sserted, That altho' what they belived was not to 〈◊〉〈◊〉 found in so many express Words and Syllables, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 was it very clearly and manifestly deduced from ain Scriptures. And as Athanasius expressed it, o matter whether what, we believe be in so many words the Scriptures, so long as the Truths themselves are erein Contained. That is said to be Written, altho' 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, in the very Letter, if the Sense of it there. So Chrysostom. To which add, that of regory Nazianzen, there are some things in Scrip∣ture intended, which are not Literally expressed; ere are other things Literally mentioned but are not really intended, &c. Thus though it is not in e Letter said,

That God is Impassible, without ••••inning, &c. Yet these things are by other words ••••ended: Again, altho' it be in the Letter, that od sleeps, awakes, moves, yet are they not really eant.
Dal. Ʋbi. sup. Cap. 7. and 8.

9. This Learned Person induceth sundry other authorities, and at last refers to his Appendix, in which is a Treatise of Theodoret (which has been ••••serted in the Works of Athanasius) against 'em, ••••o are for a rigid, and stiff Adherence unto the ••••ry words of Scripture, without any regard to their Contsonancy, or Dissonancy unto Reason, or ••••e Analogy of Faith; or Mysteries of the Gospel, which the Father doth thus expostulate with 'em.

What shall I believe with my Heart unto Righte∣ousness?

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What shall I confess with my Mouth unto Salvation? when it's maliciously objected, That the Father who hath sent me is greater than I? shall I hastily assent unto it as thus simply Delivered, and boldly deny the Son to be equal with the Father? Must I not at all weigh the matter, nor consider that this is to be understood in regard to the Oecono∣my and Dispensation? May I not observe what is said elsewhere of the Father and the Son's being one, and that we must honour the Son as we honour the Father?

10. To gather up what hath been briefly sugges∣ted, tis manifest that Hereticks have communica∣ted Pestilent Doctrines in Scripture Language; that they have been for a rigid Adhesion unto the very words, syllables and letter of Scripture; That they would Reject those Terms and Phrases, used by the Orthodox to explain the Truth, and distinguish it from Errour; because not in the Letter of Scripture; That the Church would not part with a word, a syllable, nor with a Letter, that was necessary to express the Truth. The Council of Nice would not gratify the Arians nor Nestorians in a Letter, saith Dr. Manton on Jude p. 163. That the Opposers of Orthodox Terms and Phrases, always did it with a design to subvert the Truth. But, if it be Blasphe∣mous to detect the fraudulent Practice of Here∣ticks, what Fence can we have against a Vitalis, a Biddle, a Socinian or Arian? I might enlarge and expose, but I will forbear, and Apply my self to the Consideration of the next.

The Seventh Objection.

Mr. Lobb leaves out a considerable word in his translating a part of the Scotch Confession p. 81. — There's word [QUASI] which he did not think for his purpose to English.
He ought to

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have said, And to appear [as it were] in our Per∣son, that is, that Christ appeared not properly in our Person.

Reply.

1. When I did, in answer to the Request of se∣veral learned and judicious Brethren, undertake to ••••amine the Writings of Mr. W. I found his At∣tempts to be so like, what had been used by Men ••••ound in the Faith, who have made it their Busi∣ness, for a while to conceal their own Notions, and ••••em to quarrel rather with the Terms and Phrases osen by the Orthodox to Explain the Truth; than ith the Truth it self; that I could do no less than ••••ke notice of it to my Brethren, who having not ••••en so forward, as I think they should, to give ••••eck to his Career, have (though not designedly) ••••couraged him and his Partizans, to make further ••••cursions on the controverted Terms and Phrases. ••••d insinuate, that the whole contest is but about ords.

2. This being the way and method of my Oppo∣••••••s, I did in my Defence, carefully endeavour to ••••ulcate it, that we contend for the controverted ••••rases, only, as they are expressive of what is es∣••••••tial to a real, proper and plenary Satisfaction to Gods ••••tice for our Sins, so that in good earnest, the ontention is about the great and necessary Doctrine 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Christs Satisfaction, and for the Terms and Phrases 〈◊〉〈◊〉 otherwise than as they are expressive of this octrine.

3. That I might bring our true and genuine ••••nse into so clear a Light, as not to leave the least adow of Reason for one doubting thought, out what it was I expresly declared,

That if I did but direct to the Confession, where either a roper Satisfaction is asserted, or, where 'tis said,

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that Christ, as our Surety suffered for us; or that Christ suffered in our Place and Stead, or stood in our Person when he died; it might I hoped, satisfy any unprejudiced Person;
that the Phrases contended for, are in our Confessions, that is, The thing they signify, and for which we plead, is there; thereby shewing, that it is the Doctrine, which these Terms and Phrases do most aptly, and with the greatest Clear∣ness and Distinction, convey unto our Understand∣ings, that we are for.

5. That these Termes and Phrases are not of our Invention, but have been (as I have in my Defence unanswerably proved) used by the Orthodox in their Opposition unto the Arminians and Socinians, in a Sense known both to our Divines and their Ad∣versaries. And that it hath been the trick of He∣reticks and their Favourers, to raise Doubts and Scruples about their meaning and usefulness; As, on the other hand, it hath been the constant Prac∣tice of the Church (as I have already suggested) to defend them, — as they are most apt to explain the Truth, and distinguish it from Errour.

For which Reason, as soon as I have cleared my Translation of the Scotch Confession, and detected the Impertinence and Folly of some other Cavils, I will go on to the second Point I have proposed to discourse of, and show, that the Controversie I have with Mr. W. is about the Doctrine of Christs Satisfaction; that the Difference is Real, in an Ar∣ticle that affects the Vitals of Religion. But,

6. The Phrase of [Christs sustaining our Person] has been generally received by the Orthodox, as ex∣pressive of whats Essential, unto a real and Proper Satisfaction, even of what Christ did, to the end, he might appear before Gods Tribunal, under the Guilt of our Sins, and bear a proper Punishment for

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them. To suppose the Lord Christ to be guilty in 〈◊〉〈◊〉 his own Person, is as if it had been said, He had been in himself a Sinner, unclean, unholy: But to consider him as our Surety, sustaining the Person of Sinners, and so to charge on him the Guilt of ••••r Sins, cannot in the least defile or pollute his oly and righteous Soul. It hath been therefore ••••firmed by the Orthodox, that the Lord Jesus ••••stained his own and our Person. As considered in his own Person, he is most remote from the Guilt ••••d Filth of Sin. As standing in our Person, so he was covered with the Guilt of our Iniquities, tho' ot touch'd with the least Moral Filth.

7. The Phrase of Christs sustaining our Person, ust be taken in Sensu forensi in Law-Sense, import∣ing, that as a Surety doth in foro soli, represent the ••••ebtor, so the Lord Jesus Christ, when at the ribunal of the Father, represented those Sinners, hose Redemption and Salvation he had undertaken, ••••d whether it be said, that Christ doth put on, or lain, or bear our Person; the meaning is the same, nd they who speak, as if these three words of [put∣ing on, bearing and sustaining] the Person of Sin∣ners, had as many different meanings; do talk as 〈◊〉〈◊〉 they understood not the genuine Import of the hrase. The same is true of the Latin Phrase, Christus sustinuit Personam nostram; Christus sustinuit quodammodo, seu, quasi Personam nostram] or the English, [Christ did sustain our Person, Christ sustain∣•••• as it were our Person] the signification is the same, or whether quodammodo or quasi be added or not, the meaning is, That Christ did in Sensu forensi bear ur Person. Take the word [Person] in Law-Sense nd there is no need of the word quodammodo or quasi; but if the word Person, Import a natural r proper Person, then to ascertain the meaning to

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be Forensic, it's requisite to add, either quasi or quo∣dammodo: For, Persona moralis est quasi Persona pro∣pria. And accordingly our Divines, do indifferent∣ly use the Phrase, with or without quasi or quodam∣modo; for whether they use either of these words or not, the Sense is known to be the same, and the meaning of them who have it, and who have it not is, That Christ took on him our Person in Sensu forensi, in Law Sense, as I have cleared it in my Defence p. 24, 25, &c. so that I have not the least reason to scruple the adding that considerable word [quasi,] and for the sake of a weak Brother am con∣tent to do it, at any time when desired. For,

8. If the words [Christ sustained our Person] signi∣fie somewhat really different from [Christs sustaining as it were our Person] then it must be owned, that many Orthodox Divines, who have been thought to be of a mind, do really differ in this Point from each other. And many learned Persons, who ex∣press themselves with the greatest accuracy and cau∣tion, affirming sometimes, that Christ sustained our Per∣son, and at other times as it were our Person, do really differ from themselves, particularly Calvin, who on 2 Cor. 5.21. saith, [That Christ did susciper quodammodo personam nostram] and on Gal. 3.13▪ [personam nostram susceperat,] quarrell'd with himself or at least either the Reverend Mr. Poole, or Mar∣lorat did misrepresent Calvin on 2 Cor. 5.21. For as Marlorat gives the Sense of Calvin thus, personam nostram quodammodo suscepit Christus, ut Reus nostr nomine fieret, & tanquam Peccator judicaretur, no propriis sed alienis Peccatis; so Mr. Poole thus, Chris∣tus autem Personam nostram suscepit, ut Reus nostr nomine fieret, & tanquam Peccator judicaretur. So that the learned Mr. Poole is fallen into the very Error, Mr. W. and his Defendor charge on me; for

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as I am accused for leaving out that considerable word [quasi.] Mr. Poole has left out as considerable a quodammodo. But whether Mr. P. or these Gen∣tlemen be the most skill'd in the Latin Tongue and the Civil Law, is not over difficult to determine. Once more,

9. My Learned Adversary, Mr. W. adds, that I ought to have said. [And to appear [as it were] in our Person, that is, Christ appeared not properly in our Person.] To which I answer,

1. What he means by this Passage [Christ appear∣ed not properly in our Person,] is not easy to understand. If he means, that Christ did not take upon him, nor appear in our natural or proper Person, I have over and over said it, it being most manifest, that he ap∣peared only in our Legal Person, which is what Mr. W. doth expresly oppose. The thing he is against is, Christs taking on him our Person, in Sensu forensi, in Law Sense.

2. This word therefore [properly] if he will in Op∣position unto me, abide by his Notion, that Christ did not take on him our Person in Law Sense, must be tacked to [Christs appearing,] as if he had said, Christ did not properly appear before the Judgment Seat of God to answer for our Sins, but only im∣properly, or Metaphorically. But,

10. Had it been said, That Christ did as it were, take on him our Legal Person, 'twould have been to his purpose, and have signified no more than that Christ did not really and truly take on him our Legal Person. But not a word of this in the Scotch Confession. There it is clear, that the Lord Jesus did appear before the Judgment Seat of the Father in our Legal Person, which was the point for which I produced it. And altho' the [quasi] is in the Latin, and [as it were] in the English, yet

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the Doctrine therein contained, is most opposite to what is advanced by Mr. W. and his more learned and upright Coryphaeus, as I hope, to the Conviction of an unbyassed Reader to evince. For the differ∣ences amongst us are real, in matters of the biggest Importance, and nearest Concernment to our Im∣mortal Souls.

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