The picture of the Councell of State, held forth to the free people of England by Lieut. Col. John Lilburn, M. Thomas Prince, and M. Richard Overton, now prisoners in the Tower of London for bearing testimony to the liberties of England against the present tyrants at White-Hall, and their associates, or, a full narrative of the late extrajudiciall and military proceedings against them ; together with the substance of their severall examinations, answers, and deportments before them at Darby-house, upon March 28 last.

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The picture of the Councell of State, held forth to the free people of England by Lieut. Col. John Lilburn, M. Thomas Prince, and M. Richard Overton, now prisoners in the Tower of London for bearing testimony to the liberties of England against the present tyrants at White-Hall, and their associates, or, a full narrative of the late extrajudiciall and military proceedings against them ; together with the substance of their severall examinations, answers, and deportments before them at Darby-house, upon March 28 last.
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Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657.
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THE PICTURE OF THE Councel of State: Held forth to the Free People of England, by Lieut. Col. John Lilburn, Mr. Thomas Prince, and Mr. Richard Overton.

The Narrative of the Proceedings against Lieutenant Col. John Lil∣burn thus followeth.

ON Wednesday the 28 of March 1649, about four or five a clock in the morning, my lodging at Winchester-house in Southwark, was beset with about 100 or 200 armed men, Horse and Foot, one of which knocking at my Chamber∣door, I rose and opened him the door, and asked him who he would speak with, and what he would have? He replyed, he was come to take me prisoner; whereupon I demanded of him to see his Warrant; he told me he had one, but had it not here, but as soon as I came to Pauls I should see it; I told him, if he walked by the rules of justice, he ought to have brought his Warrant with him, and to have shewed it me, and given me leave to have copied it out, if I had desired it. But divers of the foot Souldiers rushing into my room at his heels; I desired him to demean himself like a Gentleman, and not with any incivilities affright my children and family; for if it were nothing but my person he would have, I would but make me ready, and go along with him without any more ado, whither he would carry me; for his power of armed men was beyond my present resisting, or power to dispute: so I desired him and another Gentleman with him to sit down, which they did; and when I was almost ready to go, I demanded of him whether it would not fully sa∣tisfie his end, in my going along with him and one or two more of his company in a boat, and I would ingage unto him as I was an English man, there should be no disturbance to him by me, or any in my behalf, but I would quietly and peacebly go with him where-ever he would have me: but he told me no, I must march thorow the streets with the same

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Guard that came for me: I told him, I could not now dispute, but it would be no great conquest to lead a single captive thorow the streets in the head of so many armed men, who neither had made resistance, nor was in any capacity to do it; and coming down stairs in∣to the great yard, I was commanded to stand till the men were marshalled in Rank and File, and two other prisoners were brought unto me, viz. my Landlord Mr. Devennish's two Sons, but for what they knew not, nor could imagine; So away thorow the streets the armed Victors carry us, like three conquered Slaves, making us often halt by the way, that so their men might draw up in good order, to encounter with an Army of Butterflies, in case they should meet them in the way to rescue us their Captives from them; so coming to Pauls Church, I there meet with my Comrade M. Prince, and after imbraces each of other, and a little discourse, we see our acquaintance M. William Walwin marching at the head of ano∣ther Party as a captive; and having understood that our being seised as Prisoners, was a∣bout a new addresse by way of Petition to the Parliament, intituled, The second part of Englands new Chains discovered; We could not but wonder at the apprehending of M. Walwin about that, he having for some months past (that ever I could see or hear of) never been at any of our meetings, where any such things were managed: But Adjutant General Stubber that was the Commander of the Party, coming then to view, I repaired to him, and desired to see his Warrant, by vertue of which his men forced me out of my bed and habitation, from my Wife and children; and his Warrant he produced, which I read, he denying me a copy of it, though both there and at White-hall I earnestly demanded it as my right: the substance of which, so neer as I can remember, is, From the Committee, commonly stiled the Councel of State, to authorise Sir Hardresse Waller, and Colonell Edward Whaley, or whom they shall appoint, to repair to any place whatsoever, where they shall hear Lieut. Col. John Lil∣burn, and M. Prince, M. Walwin, and M. Overton are, them to apprehend, and bring before the Councel of State, for supposition of high Treason, for compiling, &c. a seditious and scandalous Pamphlet, intituled, The second part of Englands new Chains discoverd. And for so doing, that shall be their Warrant.

Signed, John Bradshaw President.

And in the same paper is contained Sir Hardresse Wallers and Col. Whaley's Commis∣sion or Deputation to Adjutant General Stubber to apprehend Mr. Walwin and my self; who with his Officers, dealt abundantly more fairly with us, then I understand Lieut. Col Axtel dealt with Mr. Prince and Mr. Overton; From which Lieut. Col. if there had been any harmony in his spirit to his profession, abundance more in point of civili••••, might have been expected, then from the other, though he sell much short.

But when we were in Pauls Church-yard, I was very earnest with the Adjutant Ge∣neral, and his Ensigne that apprehended me (as I understood by the Adjutant he was) that we might go to some place to drink our mornings draughts; and accordingly we went to the next door to the School house, where we had a large discourse with the Officers, especially about Mr. Devenish's sons; we understanding they had no Warrant at all to meddle with them in the least, nor nothing to lay to their charge, but a private informa∣tion of one Bull their Fathers tenant, between which parties there is a private difference; we told them, we could not but stand amazed, that any Officer of an Army durst in such a case apprehend the person of any Free-man of England, and of his own head and au∣thority, dragging him or them out of his house and habitation, like a Traitor, a Theef, or a Rogue; and they being ashamed of what they had done to them, at our importunity, let both the young men go free. So away by water we three went to White hall with the Ad∣jutant Gen. where we met with our friend M. Overton. And after we had staid a: White hall till about 4 or 5 of the clock in the afternoon, we were by the foresaid Adjutant carried to Darby-house, where, after about an hours stay, there were called in Lieut. Col. Goldegue, a

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Coalyard keeper in Southwark, and as some of good quality of his neighbours do report him to have been no small Personal Treaty man; and also Captain Williams, and M. Saul Shoe-maker, both of Southwark, who are said to be the Devills 3. deputies, er informers against us; and after they were turned out, I was called in next, and the dore being opened, I marched into the Room with my hat on; and looking about me, I saw divers Members of the House of Commons present, and so I put it off; and by Sergeant Dendy I was directed to go neer M. Bradshaw, that sat as if he had been Chairman to the Gentlemen that were there present; between whom, and my self, past to this following effect.

Lievt. Col. Lilburn (said he) here are some Votes of Parliament, that I am commanded by this Councel to acquaint you with; which were accordingly read, and which did contain the late published and printed Proclamation or Declaration, against the second part of England New Chains discovered, with divers instructions and an unlimitted power given unto the Councel of State, to finde out the Authors and Promoters thereof, After the reading of which, M. Bradshaw said unto me, Sir, You have heard what hath been read unto you, and this Councell having information that you have a principle hand in compiling and promoting this Book, (shewing me the Book it self,) therefore they have sent for you, and are willing to hear you speak for your self. But I saw no Accuser, prosecutor or witnesse brought face to face, which were very strange proceedings in my judgement.

Well then M. Bradshaw, said I, If it please you and these Gentlemen to afford me the same liberty the Cavaliers did at Oxford, when I was arraigned before them for my life, for levying war in the quarrel of the Common-wealth, against the late King and his par∣ty, (which was liberty of speech to speak my mind freely without interruption) I shall speak and goe on, but without the liberty of speach I shall not say a word more to you.

To which he replied, That is already granted you, and therefore you may go on and speak what you can or will say for your self, if you please; or if you will not, you may hold your pyace and withdraw.

Well then (said I) M. Bradshaw, with your favour, thus. I am an Englishman born, bred, & brought up, and England is a Nation Governed, Bounded, and Limited by Laws & liber∣ties: and for the Liberties of England, I have both fought and suffered much: but truely Sir, I judge it now infinitely below me, and the glory and excellency of my late actions, now to plead merit or desert unto you, as though I were forced to fly to the merit of my former a∣ctions, to lay in a counter-scale, to weigh down your indignation against me, for my pre∣tended late offences: No, Sir, I scorn it; I abhor it: And therefore Sir, I now stand before you, upon the bare, naked, and single account of an Englishman, as though I had never said, done, or acted thing that tendeth to the preservation of the liberties thereof, but yet, have done any act that did put me out of a Legal capacity to claim the utmost punctilio, benesit, & priviledge that the laws & liberties of England will afford to any of you here present, of any other man in the whole Nation: And the Laws and Liberties of England are my inhe∣ritance and birth right. And in your late Declaration, published about four or five daies ago, wherein you lay down the grounds and reasons (as I remember) of your doing Ju∣stice upon the late King, and why you have abolished Kingly Government, and the House of Lords, you declare in effect the same; and promise to maintain the Lawes of England, in refe∣rence to the Peoples Liberties * 1.1 and Free∣doms: And amongst other things therein contained, you highly commend and extol the Petition of Right, made in the third year of the late King, as one of the most excellent and gloriest Laws in reference to the peo∣ple liberties that ever was made in this Na∣tion,

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and you there very much blame, and cry out upon the King, for robbing and de∣nying the people of England the benefit of that Law; and sure I am (for I have read and studied it) there is one clause in it that saith expresly. That no Free man of England ought to be adjudged for life, limbe, liberty, or estate, but by the Laws already in being establish∣ed and declared: And truly Sir, if this be good and sound Legal Doctrine (as un∣doubtedly it is, or else your own Declara∣tions are false, and lies) I wonder what you Gentlemen are; For the declared and known Laws of England knows you not, neither by names nor qualifications as per∣sons endowed with any power either to imprison or try me, or the meanest Free-man of England; and truly, were it not that I know the faces of divers of you, and honour the persons of some of you, as Members of the House of Commons that have stood pretty firm in shaking times to the interest of the Nation; I should wonder what you are, or before whom I am, & should not, in the least honour or reverence you so much as with Civil Re∣spect, especially considering the manner of my being brought before you, with armed men, and the manner of your close sitting, contrary to all courts of Justice, whose dores ought al∣wayes to stand wide open. M. Bradshaw, it may be the house of Commons hath past some Votes or Orders, to authorise you to sit here for such and such ends as in their Orders may be declared: But that they have made any such Votes or Orders, legally unknown to me, I never saw them. Its true, by common Fame you are bruted abroad and siled a Councel of State, but its possible common Fame in this particular may as well tell me a lye as a truth; But admit common Fame do in this tell me a truth, and no lye, but that the House of Commons in good earnest hath made you a Councel of State, yet I know not what that is, because the Law of England tells me nothing of such a thing; and surely if a Councel of State were a Court of Justice, the Law would speak something of it: But I have read both old and new Lawes, yea all of late that it was possible to buy or hear of and they tell me not one word of you, and therefore I scarce know what to make of you, or what to think of you; but as Gentlemen that I know, I give you civill respect, and out of no other con∣sideration: But if you judge your selves to be a Councel of t••••e, and by vertue thereof think you have any power over me, I pray you shew me your Commission, that I may know the better how to behave my self before you. M. Bradshaw, I will no ow questi∣on or dispute the Votes, or Orders of the present single House of Commons, in reference to their power, as binding Lawes to the people; yet admit them to be valid, legal, and good; their due circumstances accompanying them: yet Sir, by the Law of England let me tell you, what the House Votes, Orders, and Enacts within their walls, is no∣thing to me, I am not at all bound by them, nor in Law can take any cognisance of them as Lawes, although 20 Members came out of the House, and tell me such things are done, till they be published and declared by sound of Trumpet, Proclamation, or or the like, by a publike Officer or Magistate in the publike and open places of the Na∣tion; But truly Sir, I never saw any Law in Print or writing, that declares your power so proclaim'd or published; and therefore Sir, I know not what to make more of you then a company of private men, being neither able to own you for a Court of Justice, because

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the Law speaks nothing of you▪ nor for a Councel of State, till I see, and read, or hear your Com∣mission, which I desire (if you please) to be acquainted with.

But Sir, give me leave further to aver unto you, and upon this Principle or Averment I will venture my life and being, and all I have in the world; That if the House had by a Proclaimed and declared Law, Vote, or Order, made this Councel (as you call your selves) a Court of Justice, yet that proclaimed or declared Law, Vote, or Order, had been unjust and null, and void in itself; And my reason is, because the House it self was never (neither now, nor in any age before) betrusted with a Law-executing power, but only with a Law making power.

And truly, Sir, I should have look'd upon the people of this Nation as very fools, if e∣ver they had betrusted the Parliament with a Law-executing power, and my reason is, be∣cause, if they had so done, they had then chosen and impowred a Parliament to have de∣stroyed them, but not to have preserved them (which is against the very nature and end of the very being of Parliaments, they being by your own declared doctrine, chosen to provide for the peoples weale, but not for their wo, First part Declarat. pag. 150, 266, 267, 269, 276, 279, 280, 304, 361, 382, 494, 696, 700, 716, 726.) And Sir, the reason of that reason is, because its possible, if a Parliament should execute the Law, they might do palpable inju∣stice and m••••e administer it, and so the people would be robbed of their intended extraor∣dinary benefit of Appeals; for in such cases, they must appeal to the Parliament either a∣gainst it self, or part of it self; and can it ever be imagined they will ever condemn them∣selves, or punish themselves? nay, will they not rather judge themselves bound in honour and safety to themselves, to vote that man a Traytot, and destroy him, that shall so much as question their actions, although formerly they have dealt never so unjustly with them? For this Sir, I am sure, is very commonly practised now a dayes; and therefore the honesty of former Parlia∣ments in the discharge of their trust and duty in this particular, was such, that they have declared, the power is not in them to judge or punish me, o the meanest free man in England, beeng no Member of their House, although I should beat or wound one of their Members nigh unto their door, going to the House to discharge his duty; but I am to be sent in all such cases to the Judge of the upper. * 1.2 Bench, unto whom by Law they have given declared rules and direction in that particular how to behave himself, which be as evident for me to know as himself. Now i, if reason and justice do not judg it convenient that the Parlia∣ment shall not be Judges in such particular cases, that are of so neer concernment to themselves, but yet hath others that are not of their House, that are as well concerned as themselves; much lesse will reason or justice admit them to be judges in particular cases that are farther remote stom their particular selves, and do meerly concern the Common-wealth; and sure I am, Sir, this is the declared Statute Law of England and doth stand in full force at this hour, there being, I am sure of it, no Law to repeal it, no not since the House of Com∣mons set up their new Common-wealth. Now, Sir, from all this I argue thus, that which is not inherent in the whole, cannot by the whole be derived or assigned to a part.

But it is not inherent, neither in the power nor authority of the whole House of Commons, pri∣marily and originally to ••••ecute the Law, and therefore they cannot derive it to a part of them∣selves.

But yet Sir, with your favour, for all this, I would not be mistaken, as though I maintai∣ned

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ned the Parliament had no power to make a Court of Justice; for I do grant they may erect a Court of Justice to administer the Law, provided, that the Judges consist of persons that are not Members of their House; and provided, that the power they give them be universall; that is to say, to administer the Law to all the people of England indefinitely, and not to two or three particular persons solely, the last of which for them to do is * 1.3 un∣just, and altogether out of their power. And therfore Sir, to conclude this point; It being not in the power of the whole Parliament to execute the Law, they can give no power to you their Members to meddle with me in the case before you; For an Or∣dinary Court of Justice (the pro∣per Administrator of the Law) is the only and sole Judge in this parti∣cular; and not you Gentlemen, no nor your whole House it self. And therefore, if you be honest men, and will be as good as your words, oaths and promises, (which are to main∣tain the Laws, in reference to the peoples Liberties) I challenge at your hands the benefit of the Law, and not to be past upon otherwise in any kinde.

For with your favour, Mr. Bradshaw, the fact that you suppose I have committed (for till it be judicially proved (and that must be before a legall Judge that hath cog∣nisance of the fact) or confessed by my self before the Judge; it is but a bare supposition) is either a crime, or no crime: a crime it cannot be, unlesse it be a transgression of a Law in being, before it was committed, acted or done; For, where there is no Law, * 1.4 there is no Transgression And if it be a Trans∣gression of a Law, that Law provides a punishment for it, and by the Rules and method of that Law am I to be tryed, and by no other whatsoever, made ex post facto.

And therefore, Sir, if this be true, as undoubtedly it is; then I am sure, you Gentle∣men, have no power in Law to convene me before you for the pretended crime laid unto my charge; much lesse to fetch me by force out of my habitation by the power of armed men: For Sir, let me tell you, The Law of England never made Colonels, Lieutenant Colonels, Captains, or Souldiers, either Bailisss, Constables, * 1.5 or Justices of Peace: And I cannot but wonder that you should attach me in such a manner as you have done, considering that I have all a∣long adhered to the Interest of the Nation against the common Enemy (as you call them) and never disputed, nor contemned any Order or Summons from Parliament, or the most irregularest of their Committees, but always came to them

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when they sent for me, although their Warrant of Summons was never so illegall in the forme of it; and I have of late in a manner de die in diem, waited at the House dore, and was there that day, the Votes you have read, past, till almost twelve a clock; and I am sure there are some here present whose Couscience I beleeve tells them, they are very much concer∣ned in this Book row before you) that saw me at the dore, and stared wishfully upon me as they went into the House; and I cannot but wonder there could be no Civil Officer found to summon me to appear; but that now, when there is no visible hostile enemy in the Nation, and all the Courts of Justice open, that you (that have no power at all over me) must send for me by a hundred or two hundred Armed Horse and Foot, as though I were some monstrous man, that with the breath of my mouth were able to destroy all the Civil Officers that should come to apprehend me; Surely I had not endeavoured to fortifie my house, against you, neither had I betaken my self to a Castle, or a defenced Garrison in hostility against you, that you need to send a hundred or two hundred armed men to force me out of my house, from my wife and children, by four or five a clock in the morning, to the di∣stracting and afrighting of my wife and children: Surely I cannot but look upon this irre∣gular, unjust, and illegal hostile action of yours, as one of the fruits and issues of your new created Tyranny, to amuse and debase my spirit, and the spirits of the People of this Free Nation, to fit me and them for bondage and slavery: This being the very practise of the Earl of Strafford be∣fore you, as M. Pym in his declaration against him, doth notably observe. And Sir, give me leave further to tell you, that for divers hundreds of men that have often been in the field with their swords in their hands, to encounter with hostile enemies, and in their engagements have acquitted themselves like men of valour, and come out of the field con∣querours; for these very men to put themselves in Martial Array against four Mise or But∣terflyes, taking them captives, and as captives lead them through the streets, me thinks is no small diminution to their former Martial Atchievements and Trophies: And therefore to conclude this, I do here before you all, protest against your power and Jurisdiction over me in the case in controversie; And also doe protest against your Warrant you issued out to appre∣hend me; And against all your martial and hostile acts committed towards me, as illegal, un∣just, and tyrannical, and no way in Law to be justified: Further telling you that I saw most of the Lord of Strafford's arraignment, and (if my memory fail me not) as little things as you have already done to me, were by your selves laid to his charge, as acts of Treason; For which I saw him lose his head upon Tower-hill as a Traytor: And I doubt not for all this that is done unto me, but I shall live to see the Laws and Liberties of England firmly setled, in despite of the present great opposers thereof, and to their shame and con∣fusion: and so M. Bradshaw I have done with what I have now to say.

Upon which M. Bradshaw replied, Lieut. Col. Lilburn, you need not to have been so ear∣nest, and have spent so much time in making an Apologetical defence; for this Councel doth not go about to try you, or challenge any jurisdiction to try you, neither doe we so much as ask you a questi∣on in order to your tryal, and therefore you may correct your mistake in that particular.

Vnto which I said, Sir, by your favour, if you challenge no Jurisdiction over me, no not so much as in order to a tryal, what do I here before you? or what do you in speaking to me? But Sir, seeing I am now here, give me leave to say one word more, and that is this; I am not onely in time of peace (the Courts of Justice being all open) fetcht and forc't out of my house by multitudes of armed men, in an hostile manner, and carried as a captive up and down the streets, contrry to all Law and Justice, but I am by force of Armes still kept in their custody, and it may be, may be intended to be sent to them a∣gain, who are no Guardians of the Law of England, no nor so much as the meanest Ad∣ministrators or executors of it, but ought to be subject to it themselves, and to the Ad∣ministrators

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of it, (as is cleer by the Petition of Right, &c.) yea the General himself. And truly, Sir, I had rather die, then basely betray my Liberties into their martiall fin∣gers (who after their fighting for our Freedoms, would now destroy them, and tread them under their feet) that have nothing at all to do with me, nor any pretended or re∣all civill offender in England. I know not what you intend to do with me, neither do I much care; having learned long since to die, and rather for my Liberties, then in my bed. Its true, I am at present in no capacity effectually to dispute your power, because I am under guards of armed Masketiers; but I intreat you, if you will continue me a prisoner, that you will free me from the military Sword, and send me to some Civil Gaol; and I will at present in peace and quietnesse obey your command, and go. And so I con∣cluded, and was commanded to withdraw, which I did; and then Mr. William Walwin was called in: and while he was within, I gave unto my Comrades Mr. Prince, and Mr. Overton, and the rest of the people, a summary account of what had past between me and them: And within a little time after Mr. Walwin came out again, and Mr. Overton was called in next: And at Mr. Walwin's coming out he acquainted us what they said to him, which was in a manner the same they said to me; and all that he said to them was but this, That he did not know why he was suspected. To which Mr. Bradshaw replyed, Is that all you have to say? And Mr. Walwin answered, Yes. So he was commanded to withdraw.

And after M. Overton was come out, M. Prince was called in, and after he had with∣drawn, they spent some time of debate among themselves, and then I was called in a∣gain; So I marched in Sutable to my first posture, and went close to M. Bradshaw, who said unto me to this effect: Lieut. Colonel Lilburn, this Councel hath considered what you have said, and what they have been informed of concerning you, and also of that duty that lies upon them by the command of the House, which enjoynes them to improve their utmost ability to find out the Author of this Book; and therefore to effect that end, they judge themselves bound to demand of you this question: Whether you made not this Book, or were privie to the making of it or no?

And after some pause, and wondring at the strangeness of the quesion, I answered and said, M. Bradshaw, I cannot but stand amazed that you should ask me such a questi∣on as this, at this time of the day, considering what you said unto me at my first being before you; and considering it is now about eight yeers ago since this very Parliament annihilated the Court of Star-chamber, Councel board, and High Commission, and that for such pro∣ceedings as these * 1.6. And truly, Sir, I have been a contestor and sufferer for the Liberties of Eng∣land these twelve years together, and I should now look upon my self as the baseft fellow in the world, if now in one moment I should undo all that I have been doing all this while; which I must of necessity do, if I should answer you to questions against my self: For in the first place, by answering this question against my self, I should betray the Liberties of England, in acknowledging you to have legall Jurisdiction over me, to try and adjudge me; which I have already proved to your faces you have not in the least: And if you have forgot what you said to me thereupon, yet I have not forgot what I said to you. And Secondly, Sir, If I should answer to questions against my self, and so betray my self, I should do that which not onely Law, but Nature abhorrs: And therefore I can∣not but * 1.7 wonder that you your selves are not ashamed to demand so iilegall and

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unworthy a thing of me as this is, and therefore in short, were it that I ow∣ned your power (which I do not in the least) I would be hanged, before I would do so base and un-Englishman—like an Action, to betray my Li∣berty; which I must of necessity do, in answering questions to accuse my self: But Sir, this I will say to you, My late Actions have not been done in a hole, or a corner, but on the house top, in the face of the Sun, before hundreds and some thousands of people; and there∣fore why ask you me any questions? Go to those that have heard me, and seen me, and it is possible you may finde some hundreds of witnesses to tell you what I have said and done; for I hate holes and corners: My late Actions need no covers nor hidings, they have been more honest then so, and I am not sorry for what I have done; for I did look well about me before I did what I did, and I am ready to lay down my life to justifie what I have done: And so much in answer to your question.

But now Sir, with your favour, one word more, to minde you again of what I said before, in reference to my Martiall imprisonment: and truly Sir, I must tell you, Cir∣cumstantials of my Liberty, at this time, I shall not much dispute; but for the Essenti∣als of them I shall die. I am now in the Souldiers custodie, where to continue in silence and patience, is absolutely to betray my Liberty: for they have nothing to do with me, nor the meanest free man of England in this case: And besides, Sir, they have no rules to walk by, but their wils and their swords, which are two dangerous things; it may be, I may be of an hasty cholerick temper, and not able nor willing to bear their affronts; and peradventure they may be as willing to put them upon me, as I am unwilling to bear them: and for you in this case to put fire and tinder together to burn up one another, will not be much commendable, nor tend much to the accomplishment of your ends: But if, for all this, you shall send me back to the Military Sword again, either to White∣hall, or any other such like garison'd place in England, I do solemnly protest before the Eter∣nall God of heaven and earth, I will fire it, and burn it down to the ground, if possibly I can, although I be burnt to ashes with the flames thereof; for Sir, I say again, the Souldiers have nothing to do to be my Gaolers; and besides, it is a maxime among the souldiers, That they must obey (without dispute) all the Commands of their Officers, be they right or wrong; and it is also a maxime amongst the Officers, That if they do not do it, they must hang for it: therefore if the Officers command them to cut my throat, they must either do it, or hang for it. And truly Sir, (looking wishly upon Cromwel, that sate just against me) I must be plain with you, I have not found so much Honour, Honesty, Justice or Conscience in any of the principall Officers of the Ar∣mie, as to trust * 1.8 my life under their protection, or to think it can be safe under their immediate fingers; and therefore not knowing, nor much caring what you will do with me, I

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earnestly intreat you if you will again imprison me, send me to a Civil Gaol that the Law knows, as New-gate, the Fleet, or the Gate-house, and al∣though you send me to a Dungeon, thither will I go in peace and quiet∣nesse, without any further dispute of your Authority; for when I come there, I know those Gaolers have their bounds and limits set them by the Law, and I know how to carry my self towards them, and what to expect from them; and if they do abuse me, I know how in law to help my self. And so Sir, I have said what at present I have to say. Whereupon Mr. Bradshaw commanded the Sergeant to put me out at another door, that so I should no more go amongst the people; and immediately Mr. Walwin was put out to me; and asking him what they said to him, I found it to be the same in effect they said to me, demanding the same fore-going question of him, that they did of me: to which question, (after some kinde of pause) he answered to this effect, That he could not but very much won∣der to be asked such a questions however, that it was very much agast his judgement and consci∣ence to answer to questions of that nature, which concerned himself; that if he should answer to it, he should not onely betray his own Liberty, but the Liberties of all Englishen. which he could not do with a good conscience; And he could not but exceedingly grieve at the dealing he had found that day; That being one who had always been so faithfull to the Parliament, and so well known to most of the Gentlemen there present, and that neverthelesse he should be sent for with a party of Hose and Foot, to the affighting of his Family and ruine of his credit; And that he could not be satisfied, but that it was very hard measure to be used thus upon suspicion onely: And that if they did hold him under restraint from following his businesse and occasions, it might be his undoing, which he conceived they ought seriously to consider of.

Then M. Bradshaw said, He was to answer the question, and that they did not ask it as in way of Tryal, so as to proceed in Judgment thereupon, but to report it to the House. To which M. Walwin said, That he had answered it so as he could with a good conscience, and could make no other Answer, and so withdrew.

And after he came out to me, Mr. Overton was next called in again, and then Mr. Prince; so after we were all come out, and all four in a room close by them, all alone, I laid my ear to their door, and heard Lieutenant General Cromwel (I am sure of it) very loud, thumping his fist upon the Councel Table, till it rang again, and heard him speak in these very words, or to this effect: I tell you, Sir, you have no other way in 〈◊〉〈◊〉 with these men, but to break them in pieces: and thumping upon the Councel Table again, he said, Sir, Let me tell you that which is true, if you do not break them, they will break you; yea and bring all the guilt of the bloud and treasure shed and spent in this Kingdom, upon your heads and shoulders; and frustrate and make void all that work that with so many yeers industry, toil and pains you have done, and so render you to all rationall men in the world, as the most contemptible generation of silly, low-spirited men in the earth, to be broken and routed by such a despcable contemptible genera∣tion of men as they are: And therefore, Sir, I tell you a∣gain, you are necessitated to * 1.9 break them. But being a little disturbed by the supposition of one of their

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Messengers coming into the room, I could not so well hear the Answer to him, which I think was Colonel Ludlow's voice, who pressed to bail us; for I could very well hear him say, VVhat would you have more then security for them? Upon which discourse of Cromwel's, the bloud ran up and down my veins and I heartily wished my self in again amongst them, (being scarce able to contain myself) that so I might have gone five or six stories higher then I did before, yea, as high as I intended when I came to their door, and to have particularly paid Cromwel and Haslerig to the purpose, for their late venome, not onely against me in the House, but my whole Family; Haslerig saying (as I am in∣formed) in the open House, There was never a one of the Lilburns Family fit or worthy to be a Constable in England; though I am confident there is not the worst of us alive that have served the Parliament, but he is an hundred times more just, honest and unspotted then he himself, as in due time I shall make it appear, by Gods assistance (I hope) to his shame. But the fair carriage of the Gentlemen of the supposed Councel to me at the first, took off the height of the edge of my Spirit, and intended resolution; which (it may be) they shall have the next time to this effect: Yu your selves have already voted the People, under God, the Fountain and Originall of all just Power; and if so, then none can make them Laws, but those that are chosen, impowred and betrusted by them for that end: And if that be true, as undoubtedly it is, I desire to know how the present Gen∣tlemen at VVestminster can make it appear they are the Peoples Representatives, being rather chosen by the Will of him, whose head as a Tyrant and Traytor they have by their Wils chopt off, (I mean the King) then by the People: whose Will made the Bo∣rough towns to chuse Parliament men, and thereby robb'd about nineteen people of this Nation of their undubitable and inherent right, to give to a single man in twenty for number (in reference to the whole Nation) a Monopoly to chuse Parliament men▪ dis-franchising thereby the other nineteen: And if so in any measure, then upon their own declared Principles, they are no Representative of the People, no nor was not at the first. Again, the King summoned them by his Writ (the issue of his will and pleasure; and by vertue of that they sit to this hour, and so are rather his Parliament, then the Peoples. Again, the King by his Will and pleasure combines with them by an Act to make them a perpetual Parliament (one of the worst and tyrannicallest acti∣ons that ever he did in his life) to sit as long as they pleased; which he nor they had no powr to do in the least; the very constitution of Parliaments in England being to be once every yeer, or oftner, if need require. Qaere. Whether this Act of perpetuating this Parlia∣ment by the Parliament men themselves, beyond their Commission, was not an act in them of the highest Treason in the world against the People and their Liberties by setting up themselves an Arbitrary power over them for euer; which is the greatest slavery can be exexcised upon the sons of men: Yea, and thereby razing the foundation and con∣stitution of Parliament it self: And if so, then this is null, if at the first it had been any thing.

Again, if it should be granted this Parliament at the beginning had a legal constitution from the people (the original and fountain of all just power) yet the Faction of a trayterous par∣ty of Officers of the Army, hath twice rebelled against the Parliament, and broke them to pieces and by force of Armes culled out whom they please, and imprisoned divers of them and laid nothing to their charge, and have left onely in a manner a few men, (besides 12 of themselves viz. the General, Cromwel, Ireton, Harrison, Fleetword, Rih, Ingalsby, Hasle∣rig, Constable, Fennick Walton, and Allen Treasuer;) of their own Faction behind them that will like Spanel-doggs serve their lusts and wills; yea some of the chiefest of them, viz. Ireton, Harrison, &c. yea, M. Holland himself, stiling them a mocke Parliament, a mocke

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power at Winsor, yea it is yet their expressions at London; And if this be true that they are a mocke power and a mocke Parliament; then,

Quere, Whether in Law or Justice, (especially considering they have fallen from all their many glorious promises, and have not done any one action that tends to the Uni∣versal good of the people, and absolutely degenerate into pure tyrany, and thereby, have lost the essence and soul of authority, and are become but a dead and stincking Carkess) Can those Gentlemen sitting at Westminster in the House, called the House of Commons, be any other then a Factious company of men trayterously combined together with Crum∣wel, Ireton, and Harrison, to subdue the Lawes, Liberties, and Freedoms of Ergland; (for no one of them protests against the rest) and to set up an absolute and perfect Tyranny of the Sword, will and pleasure, and absolutely intend the destroying the Trade of the Nation, and the absolute impoverishing the people thereof, to fit them to be their Vas∣sels and Slaves? And if so, then,

Quere, Whether the Free-People of England, as well Souldiers as others, ought not to contemn all these mens commands, as invalid and illegal in themselves, and as one man to rise up against them as so many pro∣fessed traytors, theeves, robbers * 1.10 & high way men, & apprehend, secure and bring them to Justice in a new Representa∣tive, chosen by ver∣tue of a just Agree∣ment among the pec∣ple, there being no o∣ther way in the world to preserve the Nation but that alone; the three fore∣mentioned men, viz. Cromwel, Ireton, and Harrison, (the Ge∣nerall being but their stalking Hors, and a Cipher) and there trayterous fa∣ction, ** 1.11 having by their wills and Swords, got all the Swords of Eng∣land under their command; and the disposing of all the great places in England by sea and land, andalso the pretended law executing power, by making among themselves (contrary to the Lawes and Liber∣beries of *** 1.12 Eng∣land) all Judges,

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Justices of Peace, Sheriffs, Bailiffes, Committee-men, &c. to execute their wils and tyranny, walking by no li∣mits or bounds, but their own wils and pleasures: And trayterously assume unto themselves a power to levie up∣on the people what money they please; and dispose of it as they please, yea, even to buy knives to cut the peoples throats that pay the money to them, and to give no account for it till Dooms-day in the afternoone; they having already in their wills and power to dispose of Kings, Queen, Princes, Dukes, and the rest of the Chil∣drens Revenues; Deans and Chapter lands, Bishops lands, sequestered Deliquents lands, seque∣stred Papists lands, Compositions of all sorts, amounting to millions of money; besides Excise, and Customs; yet this is not enough, although if rightly husbanded, it would constantly pay above one hundred thousand men, and urnish an answerrable Navy thereunto: But the people must now after their trades are lost, and their estates spent to procure their liberties & freedoms, be sessed about 100000. pound a month, that **** 1.13 so they may be able like so many cheaters and and State theeves, to give 6. 8. 10. 12. 14. 16000. pounds a∣peice over again to one another, as they have done already to divers of themselves, to buy the Common∣wealths lands one of another, (contrary to the duty of Tru∣stees, who by law nor equity can neither given or sell to one a∣nother) or two or

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three yeers purchase the true and valuable rate considered, as they have already done, and to give 4 or 5000l, per annum over again to King Crumwell. with ten or twenty thou∣sand pounds worth of wood uponit) as they have done already out of the Earl of Worcesters estate, &c. Besides about four or five pounds a day he hath by his places of Lieut. Generall, and Colonel of Horse in the Army (besides the extraordinary advancement of many of his kindred, that so they might stick close to him in his tyranny) although he were at the beginning of this Parliament but a poor man, yea, little better then a begger (to what he is now) as well as other of his neighbours.

But to return, those Gentlemen that would have had us bailed lost the day, by one vote as we understood, for all their wicked oath of secrecy, and then about 12. at night, they broke up, (a fit hour for such works of wickednesse, John 3. 19. 20. 21.) and we went into their pretended Secretary, and found our commitments made in these words, our names changed, viz.

These are to will and require you, to receive herewith into your custody, the Person of Lieu. Col. John Lilburn, and him safely to keep in your Prison of the Tower of London, untill you receive further order, he being committed to upon suspition of high Treason, of which you are not to fail, and for which this shall be your sufficient Warrant; given at the Councel of State at Derby∣house 28. day of March, 1649.

To the Lieu. of the Tower of London,

Signed in the name, and by the Order of the Councel of State, appointed by authority of Parliament. Jo. Bradshaw. President.

Note that we were committed upon Wensday their fast day, being the best fruits that ever any of their fasts brought out amongst them, viz. To sinite with the fist of wickednesse. For the illegallity of this warrant, I shall not say much, because it is like all the rest of the warrants of the present House of Commons, and their unjust Committees; whose Warrants are so sufficiently anatomized by my quondam Comrade M. John Wildeman, (though much degenerated) his Books, called Truths Triumph, and the Laws subversion, be∣ing Sir John Maynard's Case truly stated; and by my self, in my late plea before the Judges of the Kings Bench, now in print, and intituled The Laws Funerall, that it is needlesse to say any more of that particular; and therefore to them I refer the Reader.

But to go on: When we had read our Warrants, we told Mr. Frost, we would not dis∣pute the legality of them, because we were under the force of Guards of armed Muske∣tiers: So some time was spent to finde a man that would go with us to prison; Captain Jenkins (as I remember his name) being Captain of the Guard, and my old and familiar acquaintance, was prevailed with by us, to take the charge upon him, who used us very civilly, and gave us leave that night (it being so late) to go home to our Wives, and took our words, with some other of our friends then present, to meet him in the morning at the Angel Tavern neer the Tower; which we did accordingly, and so marched with him into the Tower; where coming to the Lieutenants House, and after salutes each of o∣ther, with very much civility, the Lieutenant read his Warrants: and Mr. Walwin, as our appointed mouth, acquainted him that we were Englishmen; who had hazarded all we had for our Liberties and Freedoms for many yeers together, and were resolved

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(though Prisoners) not to part with an inch of our Freedoms, that with strugling for we could keep; and therefore we should neither pay Fees nor chamber-rent, but what the Law did exactly require us; neither should we eat or drink of our own cast or charges, so long as we could fast: telling him, it was our unquestionable right by Law, and the custom of this place, to be provided for out of the publick Treasure, although we had never so much money in our pockets of our own, which he granted to be true; and after some more de∣bate, I told him, we were not so irrationall, as to expect that he out of his own money should provide for us: but the principall end of our discourse with him was, to put words in his mouth from our selves (he being now our Guardian) to move the Parliament or Councel of State about us, which he hath acquainted us he did to the Councel of State; who, he saith, granted, the King or former times used to provide for the Prisoners: But I say, they will not be so just as he was in that particular; although they have taken off his head for tyranny, yet they must and will be greater Tyrants then he; yea, and they have resolved upon the Question, that he shall be a Traytor that shall but tell them of their Tyranny, although it be never so visible: But let me tell them, that saying of Mr. John Cook their So∣licitor general, in his Book, called the Kings case stated, is most true, That in condemning the King for tyranny, they have already past Sentence against themselves when they tyrannize. But I say, and will make it good upon my life before competent Judges, that they are greater Tyrants then the King was, and the Ring-leaders of them better deserved his punishment of losse of their heads, then he did; for he never made such professions of Libertie and Justice to the People as they have done, but always maintained the people had no share in Government; and that for his misgovernment he was accountable to none but God: and yet I will justifie it, their actions are as wicked as his: yea, I will maintain it, that the cruel tyrant Duke D'Alva so much mentioned in Edmond Grimstons generall History of the Neather-Lands, lib. 9. who with his High Court of Justice, or Counsell of State, put above eighteen thousand to death under pretence of Justice in less then five yeers, fol. 435. 462. was more excusable then the Leaders of these men: Yea, bloudy Qu. Mary (in comparison) was a Saint to these men, who never went about to burn or hang the Martyrs, but for transgressing a Law in being; yea, and let them enjoy open tryals according to Law: but these men would hang us for Traitors, although we have transgressed none of their Laws; yea, and in the night, contrary to Law, in a close room examine us against our selves, without producing face to face either prosecutor, accuser or witnesse, yea, or so much as laying any crime unto our charge, our chiefest Adversaries being our Judges. Wherefore, Hear O heavens, and give ear O earth.

So now I have brought the Reader to my old contented lodging in the Tower; where, within two or three days of our arrivall there, came one M. Richardson a Preacher amongst those unnatural, un-English-like men, that would now help to destroy the in∣nocent, and the first promoters in England (as Cromwels beagles to do his pleasure) of the first Petition for a personal Treaty, almost two yeers ago, and commonly stile them∣selves the Preachers to the seven Churches of Anabaptists: which Richardson, pretending a great deal of affection to the Common-wealth, to Cromwel, and to us; and prest very hard for union and peace (and yet by his petition since this, endeavours to hang us) tel∣ling us, men cryed mightily out upon us abroad for grand disturbers, that sought Crom∣wels bloud for all his good Service to the Nation, and that would center nowhere, but meerly laboured to pull down those in power, to set up our selves: And after a little discourse with him, being all four present, and retorting all he said back upon those he seemed to plead for, before severall witnesses, we appealed to his own conscience to this effect,

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whether those could intend any hurt or tyranny to the people, that desire, and earnestly endeavoures for many years together, that all Magistrates hands might be bound and li∣mited by a just law and rule, with a penalty annexed unto it, that in case they out-stripe their rule, they might forfeit life and estate therefore, and that all Magistrates might be chosen by the free people of this Nation by common consent, according to their undu∣bitable right, and often removed, that so they might not be like standing waters, subject to corruption; and that the people might have a plain easie, short, and known Rule a∣mongst themselves to walk by, administred in their own Countries; but such men were all we; and therefore justly could not be stiled disturbers of any, but onely such as sought to rule over the people by their absolute Wills and pleasures, and would have no bounds or limits but their lusts, and so sought to set up a perfect tyranny, which we absolutely did, and still do charge upon the great men in the Army, viz. Cromwel, Ireton, Haselrig, Harrison &c. and are ready before indifferent Judges to make it good. And as for seek∣ing our selves, we need no other witnesses but some of our present adversaries in the House, whose great proffered places, and courtship by themselves and their Agents some of us have from time to time slighted, s••••rned, and contemned, till they would conclude to come to a declared and resolved center, by a just Agreement of the People; there being no other way now in the world to make this Nation free, happy or safe, but that alone. And as for Crom∣wels blood, although he had dealt basely enough with some of us in times by-past, by thirst∣ing after ours, without cause; of whom (if revenge had been our desire) we could have had it the last yeer to the purpose, especially when his quondam Darling, Maj. Hun∣tington, (Maj. to his own Regiment) impeached him of Treafon to both Houses: yet so deer was the good of our Native Country to us, to whom we judged him then a serviceable Instrument to ballance the Scots, that we laid all revenge aside, hoping his often dissembled Repentance was real indeed; and Mr. Holland himself (now his favorite) if his 1000. or 1500. l. per annum of the Kings Lands, that now he injoys, did not make him forget himself, can sufficiently testifie and witness our unwearied and hazardous Activity for Cromwels particular preservation the last yeer, when his great friends in the House durst not publickly speak for him.

And whereas it is said we will Center nowhere, we have too just cause to charge that up∣on them; the whole stream of all our Actions (as we told Richardson) being a continued De∣claration of our earnest desires to come to a determinate and fixed center: one of us ma∣king sufficient propositions to that purpose to the Councel of State at our last being there, and all our many and late proffers as to that perticular, they have hitherto rejected, as no ways consistent with their tyrannical and selvish ends and designes: and given us no o∣ther answer in effect, but the sending our bodies prisoners to the Tower: and therefore we judged it infinitely below us (as we told him) and that glorious cause, the Peoples Li∣berties and Freedoms, that we are now in bonds for) and for which we suffer, to send any message but a defiance by him or any other to them. Yet to let him know (as one we judged honest, and our friend) we were men of reason, moderation, and justice, and sought nothing particularly for our selves more then our common share in the common freedom, tranquillity, and peace of the land of our Nativity: We would let him know, we had a two fold Center, and if he pleased of and from himself to let our Adversaries know, we were willing our adversaries should have their choise to which of the two they would hold us to.

And therefore said we in the first place, The Officers of the Army have already compiled, and published to the view of the Nation, an Agreement of the people, which they have presented

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to the present Parliament; against which we make some exceptions, which exceptions are contained in our Addresses: Now let them but mend their Agreement according to exceptions, and so far as all our interest extends in the whole Nation, we will acquiesce and rest there, and be at peace with them, and live and dye with them in the pursuance of those ends; and be content for Cromwel and Iretons security, &c. for the blood of war shed in time of peace at Ware, or any thing else; and to free our selves that we thirst after none of their blood, but onely our just Liberties (without which we can never sit down in peace) That there shall be a clause, to bury all things in oblivion, as to life and liberty, excepting one∣ly estate; that so the Common-wealth may have an account of their monies in Treasurers hands, &c.

Or secondly, if they judge our exceptions against their Agreement (or any one of them) irrational, let them chuse any 4 men in England, & let Crumwel & Ireton be 2 of them, & take the other 2 where they please, in the whole Nation, & we 4 now in prison, wil argue the case in reason with them, and if we can agree, there is an end, as to us, & all our interest; but in case we cannot, let them (said we all) chuse any 2 membes of the House of Commons, & we will chuse 2. more, viz. Col. Alex. Rigby, & Col. Henry Martin, & to be final umpires betwixt us: & what they, or the major part of them determine, as to us (in relation to an Agreement) and all our interest in the whole land, we will acquiesce in, be content with, and stand to without wavering: and this we conceive to be as rational, just, and fair, as can be offe∣red by any men upon earth: and I for my part, say and protest before the Almighty, I will yet stand to this, and if this will content them, I have done; if not, fall back, fall edge, let them do their worst I for my part bid defiance to them, assuredly knowing, they can do no more to me, then the Devil did to Job; for resolved by Gods assistance I am, to spend my heart bloud against them, if they will not condesend to a just Agreement that may be good for the whole Nation; that so we may have a speedy new and as equall a Represen∣tative as may be, chosen by those that have not fought against their freedoms, although I am as desirous the Cavaliers should enjoy the benefit of the Law, for the protection of their persons and estates, as well as my self. I know they have an Army at command, but if every hair on the head of that Officer or Souldier they have at their command were a legion of men, I would fear them no more then so many straws; for the Lord Jehovah is my rock and defence, under the assured shelter of whose wings, I am safe and secure, and therefore will sing and be merry; and do hereby sound an eternal trumpet of defiance to all the men and devils in the earth and hell, but onely those men who have the image of God in them, and de∣monstrate it among men, by their just, honest, merciful and righteous actions. And as for all those vild aspertions their saint-like Agents have fixed upon me of late, I know before God none is righteous no not one, but only he that is clothed with the glorious righteousnesse of Jesus Christ, which I assuredly know my soul hath been, and now is clothed with, in the strength of which I have walked for above 12 years together, and through the strength of which, I have been able at any time in all that time, to lay down my life in a quarter of an hours warning. But as to man I bid defiance to all my Adversaries upon earth, to search my wayes and goings with a candle, and to lay any one base Action to my charge in any kind whatsoever, since the first day that I visibly made profession of the fear of God, which is now about twelve yeers; yea, I bid defiance to him or them, to proclaim it upon the house top, provided he will set his hand to it, and proclaim a publike place, where before indifferent men, in the face of the Sun, his accusation may be scand; yea, I here declare, that if any man or woman in England, either in reference to my publike actions, to the States money, or in reference to my private dealings in the world shall come in and prove against me, that ever I defrauded him, or her of twelve pence, and

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for every twelve pence that I have so done, I will make him or her twenty shillings worth of amends, so far as all the estate I have in the world will extend.

Courteous Reader, and deer Countryman, excuse I beseech thee my boasting and glorying, for I am necessitated to it, my adversaries base and lying calumniations puting me upon it, and * 1.14 Paul and Samuel did it before me: and so I am thine, if thou art for the just Freedoms and li∣berties of the land of thy Nativity,

From my rejoycing captivity (for bearing witnesse against Tyranny in whomsoever I find it) in the Tower of London April 3. 1649

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