will be taken to prevent any such things for the fu∣ture.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
The King hath said he will go∣vern according to Law; he hath done so, and will do so.
Holloway.
That I leave to the Judgment of all; ma∣ny know better than I.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Such Glossy Pretences are very strange, to carry on such a Design, for the Seizing a Sovereign Prince, that you have Sworn Allegiance to, or ought to have done.
Holloway.
I think those Pretences, the Grounds that we went upon, were no Glossy Pretences at all.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
I think it is, that when things are not done as you would have them you must im∣mediately Rebel.
Holloway.
No, Sir, not that; we did not design a Rebellion.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
The seizing the King is certainly a Rebellion, and one of the highest steps of Rebellion.
Holloway.
We say this, that all ways were used a∣gainst Protestants; several Sham-Plots; but no justice could be had against Papists.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Several of them were Executed here.
Holloway.
There were some Executed at first, Sir, but afterwards when so many great Persons came to be concerned, there was nothing could be had a∣gainst them.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
There were mighty searches made a∣bout London for that great number of Papists talkt on.
Holloway.
There were a great many seized, Sir; but what became of them?
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Generally Tryed, and brought to condign Punishment. You would not have had every Irish man believed against honest men. Some people were called Papists in Masquerade.
Holloway.
Irish men were believed against Protestants, after they had turned about, and had Sworn against Papists, they were believed then. It was well ob∣served that while the Irish Evidences did continue in the first Discourse of the Popish Plot, and in the first Evidence, then it is well known they were slighted, and all cried out against; but when they came to Swear against Protestants, then things were altered presently.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
I Pray God all mens eyes may be opened to see what is done.
Holloway.
I would not advise any one to go that way to work, to do any thing by force of Arms, and I wish the Kings eyes may be opened that he may see his Enemies from his Friends, and I think he hath cause to look for them near his home.
Have you any Papers to deliver?
Holloway.
I have no other Papers; what Paper I Wrote the Council had. I did Wr••te I Paper that it might be some satisfaction to the Opinions of people of what I knew, that care might betaken to pre∣vent other Opinions if there were an errour. And that Paper the Council had, though they took it very hainously of me that I should presume to Write such a thing. I looked upon it that I could not do more for the King than to acquaint him of what I knew, that if they were misinformed, there might be care taken to alter the Opinion.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
You have delivered to Paper to your Wife, or to any Friends?
Holloway.
That I suppose is well known to the Goaler.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
You know better than any body whether you have or not. You may say ay of no.
Holloway.
I could not be admitted to Write any, for I could not have Pen and Ink to Write any thing but this.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
And you have not delivered any Paper?
Holloway.
I have Written to some Friends. I know it is supposed that I had delivered a Copy of that Paper that the Council had, and I think if it had been known publickly it would have done no great hurt.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
You speak of several peoples Opi∣nions; what do you mean?
Holloway.
As concerning the Times, Sir, the ma∣nagement of Assairs.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Pray, Sir, under what denomi∣nation do you reckon your self?
Holloway.
I reckon my self a Protestant.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Of what sort? Of the Church of England, or of the Dissenters from them.
Holloway.
I am not a Dissenter from the Church of England.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Nor joyned with them?
Holloway.
Nor joyned with them altogether. But I thought that if any good had been designed for England, that I had done enough to merit a Par∣don, for I had Wrote so much of Truth, and was so fair and plain in it, that I thought it would have merited a Pardon, if any good were designed. If I could have discovered more, that had been for the King and Kingdoms interest I would have done it: For I did not do it rashly, but considered of it some time before I gave it in. I hope it will be a satis∣faction that there was such a Plot; what other mens Opinions might be of it, I can't tell; but leave every one to their own Judgment. It was feared that Ar∣bitrary Government and Popery was designed, and truly I think at this present time by what I can un∣derstand, that there is little better designed.
Cap. Richardson.
This is reflecting upon the Go∣vernment.
Mr. Sh. Dashwood.
This is not sit.
Holloway.
I say it is contrary to the Kings know∣ledge, Sir.
Mr. Sh. Daniel.
Sir, We have neither a Reprieve, nor a Pardon for you.
Holloway.
I don't expect it, Sir; if Truth and Plainness would have merited a Pardon, I might have had it.
Cap. Richardson.
The King is the best Judge of his own mercy.
Holloway.
Had the Law been executed against Popish Offenders, I had never been concerned in any Plot.
Cap. Richardson.
You know the King, was very earnest in that to have the Laws put in execution against them, and that he moved in to the Parlia∣ment to have it done. Have you any thing else to say that more nearly concerns you?