toss, which he afterwards understood by Rouse and Lee, was the Ball that was to be toss'd upon Black-Heath. That the Prisoner and he one time walking about the Tower, and Discoursing of seizing it, his way was to scale it, but that the Captain said, The best way was to shoot Morter-Pieces upon Southwark-side; but deny'd he could say any thing about the Ship.
To this the Captain in his own Defence made Answer, That all his busin••ss with Mr. Rouse was, to procure him a sum of Money, as being a Brok••r, and that his attending upon him for that pur∣pose brought him sometimes into Goodenough's Company, where∣in he was frequently at one Tavern or other: but that if ever he Disc••urs'd with Goodenough about any Publick Affairs, or any thing t••nding to the Publick Disturbance, he was no Ch••istian. That as to the seizing of the Tower, it was only accidental Discourse to the Water-men that Row'd him from his Ship by the Tower, to whom he was saving, That the place was not well fortify'd, and that if any Occasion should happen, that part next the Water was in more peril, then any place of the T••wer; And that upon farther Dis∣course, and a Supposition that the French should take, that then the Pris••ner said, it was but going over-against the other side, and flinging half a dozen Bambo's to them, and setting them out again. That for his having 200 Men, it was impossible, for his Vess••l was but a Pink that would not hold a 100 Men, Women, and Children. And for the Arms he bought, he bought them with the Ship, for his Def••nce at Sea; four Blund••rbusses, two Jav••lins, and some few ball-Pikes.
That as to any bank of Money, he never Discours'd it, and that as to the Ball, he knew no more to that very day, then one who had n••ver seen a Ball.
He added farther, That when they fix'd the time that he was to lay his Ship against the Tower, it was not in his Possession to bring thither, as not having had her above three weeks, to the very time of his Tryal.
Then M••te Lee was ask'd on the Prisoner's behalf, Whether there were any Projections or Provisions made for seizing the Tower?
To which he Answered, There was nothing of Men or Guns that he knew or heard of.
Being ask'd whether he had any Order from any other Per∣sons to Discourse Captain Blague in Order to this Attempt? He Answered, No; for that Captain Blague, Mr. Rouse, and Mr. L••igh, were commonly together.
Then the Jury desir'd the Witness might be ask'd, Whether the Captain knew he went to view the Tower?
To which the Witness Answer'd, He could not be positive in that. They told him they had vievv'd the Tower, but he did not remember vvhat Obs••rvations the Captain made upon it.
The Ju••y desir'd to knovv farther, Whether the Prisoner heard any thing of tossing the Ball? to vvhich Mr. Lee reply'd, That Mr. Rouse told him the Captain vvas acquainted vvith it, but that he never Discours'd vvith the Priso••er about it himself.
The Prisoner then calling his Witnesses, one Chappel a Carpen∣ter, Declar'd, That the Vessel vvas not able to do any Service