The debate at large, between the House of Lords and House of Commons, at the free conference, held in the Painted Chamber, in the session of the convention, anno 1688 relating to the word, abdicated and the vacancy of the throne in the Common's vote.

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The debate at large, between the House of Lords and House of Commons, at the free conference, held in the Painted Chamber, in the session of the convention, anno 1688 relating to the word, abdicated and the vacancy of the throne in the Common's vote.
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England and Wales. Parliament. House of Lords.
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[London] :: Printed for J. Wickins, and to be sold by the booksellers of London and Westminster,
1695.
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James -- II, -- King of England, 1633-1701.
Great Britain -- Kings and rulers -- Succession.
Great Britain -- History -- Revolution of 1688.
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"The debate at large, between the House of Lords and House of Commons, at the free conference, held in the Painted Chamber, in the session of the convention, anno 1688 relating to the word, abdicated and the vacancy of the throne in the Common's vote." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A37313.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 17, 2024.

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Sir George T—y.

I beg Leave to say something to what this Noble Lord has last spoke unto: When I call this Point of the Vacancy of the Throne a Conclusion, I did not mean altogether to exclude Abdication from being a Conclusion from the Parti∣culars enumerated before; for indeed it is the nature of a double Conclusion; One from the particular Facts mentio∣ned, That thereby King James has Ab∣dicated the Government.

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The Other, from the Abdication, That thereby the Throne is Vacant: By the instanced Acts, he hath Abdicated the Government; and by his Abdicating the Government, the Throne is vacant. As to the rest of that which his Lordship is pleased to say, I perceive he does (as he must) agree to me, That a King may Renounce by Acts as well as Words, or Writings.

But then, I would add, and agree with his Lordship also, That God forbid every Violation of the Law, or Deviation from it, should be reckon'd an Abdication of the Government. I desire to deliver my self from the Imputation of any such absurd Conceit.

When a King breaks the Law in some few particular Instances, it may be sufficient to take an Account of it from those evil Ministers that were in∣strumental in it, why such a thing was done, which was against Laws? Why

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such a Law was not Executed by them, whose Duty it was to see it put in Execution? You may, in ordinary Ca∣ses of breaking the Law, have Reme∣dy in the ordinary Courts and course of Justice.

But sure! He does not take this to be such a Case, or these to be ordina∣ry Violations of the Law; and there∣fore in the extraordinary Cases, the ex∣traordinary Remedy's to be recurred unto; for the King having a limited Authority, by which he was obliged to keep the Laws made, as to the exe∣cutive part of the Government, and to observe the Constitution for making such New Laws as the People should find necessary, and present him for his Con∣sent; when he doth Violate, not a par∣ticular Law, but all the Fundamentals; nor Injure a particular Person in Reli∣gion, Liberty, or Property, but falls upon the whole Constitution it self, what doth all this speak?

He therein saith, I will no more keep

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within my limited Authority, nor hold my Kingly Office upon such Terms.

This Title I had by the Original Con∣tract between King and People; I Re∣nounce that, and will assume another Ti∣tle to my self; that is, such a Title, as by which I may Act as if there were no such Law to Circumscribe my Authority.

Where shall any Man come to have Redress in such a Case as this, when the Malefactor comes to be Party, un∣to whom all Applications for Relief and Redress from Injuries should be made, and so he himself shall be a Judge of his own Breaches of Law. This most apparently was the Case as to the Quo Warranto's, which was a plain Design to subvert the Constitution in the very Foundation of the Legislature.

It is because the King hath thus vio∣lated the Constitution, by which the Law stands, as the Rule both of the King's Government, and the Peoples O∣bedience, that we say, He hath Abdicated

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and Renounced the Government; for all other particular Breaches of the Law, the Subject may have Remedy in the ordina∣ry Courts of Justice, or the extraordi∣nary Court of Parliamentary Proceed∣ings: But were such an Attempt as this is, made on the Essence of the Constitu∣tion, it is not We that have brought our selves into this state of Nature, but Those who have reduced our legal well-establish'd Frame of Government into such a slate of Confusion, as we are now seeking a Redress unto.

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