A review of Doctor Bramble, late Bishop of Londenderry, his Faire warning against the Scotes disciplin by R.B.G.
Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.
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No Presbyterian ever intended to excommunicat any su∣preame Magistrat.

THE Warner in his fifth chapter chardges the Scotes for subjecting the King to the censure of excommunication and bringing upon princes all the miseries which the popes excommunications of old wont to bring upon Anathema∣tised Emperours. Ans. * It does not become the Warner and his fellowes to object to any the abuse of the dreadfull sentence of excommunication, no Church in the world was ever more guilty of that fault then the praelats of England and Ireland, did they ever censure their own officialls for the pronouncing of that terrible sentence most profanly against any they would, had it been for the non-payment of the smallest summes of mony. As for the Scotes, their doctrine and practise in the point of excommunication is as conside∣rat as any other church in the world, that censure in Scot∣land is most rare and only in the case of obstinacy in a great sin: what ever be their doctrine in generall with all other Christians and as I think with the praelaticall party them∣selves, that the object of Christian doctrine Sacraments and disciplin is one and the same, and that no member of Christ, no sone of the Church, may plead a highnes above admo∣nitions and Church censures, yet I know they never thought it expedient so much as to intend any processe of Church a∣nimadversion against their Soveraigne. To the worlds end I hope they shal not have againe greater grievances and tru∣er causes of citation from their Princes then they have had already. It may be confidently beleeved that they who upon so pregnant occasions did never so much as intend the Page  32beginning of a processe against their King, can never be supposed in danger of any such proceeding for time to come. How ever, * we love not the abused ground of the Warners flattering of Princes to their owne great hurt: is it so indeed that all the sins of princes are only against God, that all Kings are not only above all lawes of Church and State but when they fall into the greatest crimes that the worst of men have ever committed, that even then their sins must not be against any man or against any law? such Episcopall doctrin spurrs on princes to these unhappy praecipies, and oppressed people unto these outrages that both fall into inextricable calamities.