The second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline

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The second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.
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[Heidelberg] :: Imprinted [by Michael Schirat],
M.D.LXXV. [1575]
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604. -- Defense of the Aunswere to the Admonition, against the Replie of T.C. -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Fielde, John, d. 1588. -- Admonition to the Parliament -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Discipline -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Anglican authors -- Early works to 1800.
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Ecclesiasticall election.

IT owght to be / with consent of the church: first for that yt ys / the institution off God. This is shewed owt off the 14. Actes 194. Here is disputed off the signification of lifting vp of handes 199 Also out of the 8. 1. Corinthes 209. and Actes 6 134. for that the lightest charges off the church were not doen but by consent off yt: where the exception taken from Pigghius is answered. Like∣wise owt of j. Actes 12. Considering that in that / Election which

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was made immediatly by the lord / the churches iudgement was not passed by. This ys strenghtned by Nomb. 8. 220. Leuiticus . Nombers 20. 222. Hetherto perteineth that which the D. alled∣geth to the contrary owt off Titus 1. and Timoth. 1. 5▪ cclxv. dra∣wen from Pighius cclxx. Whereto belongeth that the scripture sometime attributeth to the chief in an action / that is cōmon to moe then to them: confirmed by the manner off speaking both in scripture and otherwise: also by the iudgemēt of Caluin / Muscu∣lus 196. Beza 135. Bullinger 197. Further that which the D brin∣geth owt off 13 Act. taken from Hosius cclxxxiij. Likewise that the form off the Election should be other now: then in time off the Apostels ccxxxv. Where the number off Christians / and (throwgh the nomber) tumult in elections is confuted. Also that of the difference of religion and maners / betwene Christians then and now: taken from Hosius ccxlj▪ Where is handled / the shutting forth of papistes / Dronkards and Whoremongers Further that the estate off the church: was not then popular ccxlix That the confirmation off the election by the magistrat / altereth not the forme cclxij Hether also refer / the counterfait Ambrose: dra∣wen from Pighius / off the diuersyty off gouernement off the church then / and now cclix.

This is confirmed / of the effectes off the church Election: because yt breedeth assurance off the minister / in his calling: ma∣keth the people / more obedient to him / as Musculus confesseth cclx. Causeth the Godly / to loue him 〈◊〉〈◊〉: and bridleth the Hypocrites from outrage against him xix. Hetherto refer that the D bringeth off the supposed contention / that this will breed cxxxiiij cxlvij cclxxxviij. Likewise of the comparison / bet∣wene the effectes off our bishops elections: with those off the ch∣urches cxlvij. ccxxvij. Likewise that the errors off the churches election: may be commodiously remedied by the churches hard by / by the Synodes / and (if they faile) by the magistrat 23.

That it is the churches liberty as Musculus saith cclx

Also / that the consent off the parliament / touching the bis∣hops election: ys not the churches ecclesiastical election: Where the D doth but mocke the church ccxxv.

That certein thinges / ar variable in this election: hindereth not the perpetuitie off the churches cōsent cxxxvij That the igno∣rance

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off the church is not such / as both hinder the churches ele∣ction cxi. cxlvj. ccxxix. Nether corruption of religion such cxivij. Nor of affections. ccxxix.

This is also shewed by comparison off the churches election with that which is cōmonly doen in ciuil affaires ccxxiiij. confir∣med by Peter Martyr ccxxviij.

Last off all this is confirmed / by ould custome ccxx. by Coun∣cels Nycene cclvij. cclxxxiiij. Cōstantinople / Carthage / Toledo / al∣ledged page xxxvij. off my first book: off Paris / Orleans with diuers other / ccxx. Emperours decrees cciij / Ignatius cciij. Cy∣prian cxxv. ccxij. Where is / the D. exception taken owt off Pigg∣hius / Gregorie Nazianzene / Ambrose ccixxx. Chrysostome cxciij. Ierome cclxxvj. Augustin cclxxviij. The exception against which testimony is takē from Pigghius. Oecumenius ccij Luther ccxiiij. Archbishop off Reines / usanus / Celestinus / Leo ccliij.

Off the autorities / which he vseth: that off Chrysostome vp∣pon the 6 off the Actes / is answered cxciij. That owt of his book de sacerdorio / and S. Iohn drawen both from Hosius cclxxxviij. ccxcj. The rest ether are nothing to purpose / or are shewed flat a∣gainst him / for vs: as the Canon attributed to the Apostles / off the Ancyran / and Antioch can Councel ccxvij. Caluin cxxvj. ccxvj. ccxxij Zuing••••us and Bulllinger cxcvj. Beza cxciij. Musculus ccixiij. and toe example off the Tigurine election ccixv. Diffe∣ring in some point f••••m vs are shewed greatly against him.

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