The orthodox faith and vvay to the Church explaned and iustified in answer to a popish treatise, entituled, White died blacke; wherein T.W. p. in his triple accusation of D. White for impostures, vntruths, and absurd illations, is proued a trifler: and the present controuersies betweene vs and the Romanists are more fully deliuered and cleared. By Francis White Bachelour in Diuinitie, and elder brother of Doctor Iohn White.

Paragr. 7. A place of Thomas, concerning the Popes au∣thority in the Edition or making of a new Creede.

T. W. Maister White is not ashamed to affirme, that wee take all authoritie from the Scripture, and giue it to the Church: and finallie, the Churches authoritie to the Pope.

Answ. It can be no shame for D. White to charge you with your owne Tenet: but it is cowardise and double dealing in you to dissemble the same.

The three imputations obiected are iustly laid to your charge.

First, you take all authority (quoad nos) from the Scrip∣turem 1.1, teaching that it is not the ground or pillar of truthn 1.2, nor properly and of it selfe any cause or meanes of beleefe or charitieo 1.3, and God doth not immediatly speake by itp 1.4, neither is the holy Ghost ioyned with the writing of the Scriptureq 1.5; the Church is not subiect to the Scripturer 1.6: and put case any person liuing out of the communion of the Romane Church, do reade or studie the same, it is not the word of God to them, or of greater

authority then Aesops fabless 1.7.

Secondly, the Papists giue all authoritie to the present Romane Churcht 1.8: they make the same the onely exter∣nall ground and pillar of truthu 1.9, the sole Iudge of Con∣trouersiesx 1.10, the principle or first ground and foundation, from whence the Scripture in regard of men, receiueth all authoritiey 1.11.

Thirdly, they giue the Churches authoritie to the Pope, and no Papist in these daies can or will deny this; for besides the positiue speeches of their greatest Do∣ctorsz 1.12, the same assertion followeth vpon the maine prin∣ciples of their doctrine; which are, That the Pope is the prime subiect of Ecclesiasticall authority, and that the whole authoritie of all the body and the members there∣of, is deriued by, and from hima 1.13; and the promise of the perpetuall assistance of the holy Ghost, infallible iudge∣ment, supreme authority, and other priuiledges are in∣tailed vpon his tribunallb 1.14.

T. W. Maister Whites words are; Thomas saithc 1.15, The making of a new Creed belongeth to the Pope, as all o∣ther things doe which concerne the whole Church. But Thomas Aquinas his words are: Noua editio Symboli, &c. A new edition of a Creede; He meaneth by way of vn∣foulding, explication, and explicite declaring of the Faith, alreadie reuealed in Scripture or Tradition. This diabolicall

deprauation, and vncharitable impudence of our Minister, &c.

Answ. In this obiection two things are to be conside∣red: First, the forme of speech; Thomas saith, The ma∣king of a new Creed: whereas his words are, The edition of a new Creed. Secondly, the matter it selfe, how farre our Aduersaries extend the Popes authority, in making or putting forth a new Creede.

Touching the first, the same forme of speech which D. White vseth in relating Thomas his doctrine about this present Controuersie, is frequent in learned Papists themselues. Vigueriusd 1.16 abridging this very place of Tho∣mas, saith; Potestas condendi Symbolum, &c. The authori∣ty of making a Creed, belongeth to the high Bishop of Rome. And Gabriel Biele 1.17; Ex his patet, quod Ecclesia vel Papa, ordinando aut faciendo nouum Symbolum, &c. That the Church or Pope by ordaining or making a new Creed, &c. And the same is found in Gersonf 1.18, Bannesg 1.19, &c. And therefore our Aduersarie hath small reason to flye vpon the D^r. with his leud termes of diabolicall, &c.

Secondly, as touching the matter it selfe; some learned Papists haue expresly maintained, that the Pope may cre∣ate a new Article of faithh 1.20: and although our moderne Papists verbally professei 1.21, that the Pope hath no further authority of making a Creede, but onely by way of ex∣plication, yet their practise is contrary.

First, the Popek 1.22, de facto, hath framed a new Creede, containing a number of Articles, wherof none are found in the holy Scripture, or were formerly contained in the ancient Creeds.

Secondly, our Aduersaries yeeld their Pope authori∣tie to deriue matters of Faith out of Scripture* 1.23 and anci∣ent Creeds, without arguments or premises taken from the same, by a like art, as if an Alchymist should pretend to extract Gold out of a pibble-stone, wherein is no Gold.

For example, whatsoeuer the Catholike Church, that is, the Pope and Councel definitiuely affirme, is true; but the Pope and Prelats in the second Synod of Nicel 1.24, and of Constancem 1.25, &c. definitiuely decreed: that y^e worship of Images and the Lords Supper in one kind, were the faith of the Scripture and the Primitiue Church. The Church therefore in decreeing these Articles, and pro∣nouncing Anathema to such as should refuse them, did make no new Articles or Creede, but onely by way of explication and extraction, deriued the same from Scrip∣ture and Antiquitie; like as if one should forme darknesse out of light.

Thirdly, our learned Aduersaries teachn 1.26, that the holy Ghost reuealeth sundry things more, then those which be contained in the written or traditionary word, to the Pope and Romane Church. I intreate this clamorous Popish Priest to giue a reason, why the Pope may not out of those reuelations frame and compose a new Creede?

And as famous Doctorso 1.27 among the Papists, as euer their Church had any, haue not long since maintained, that the Popes decretall Epistles are of equall authoritie with Canonicall Scripture: and what shall hinder but that a new Creede may be composed of the matter of such de∣cretals, as well as to be extracted from the Scripture and auncient Creeds?

Notes

• m 1.1

  Stapl. prom∣ptuar. Cath. par. 3. feria. 5. caput ••einnij, pag. 10. Praedicatio ver∣bi, non est orga¦num aut instru∣mentum sidei.
• n 1.2

  ••ocl. repl. cōt. ••ulling c. 2. C••n loc l. 2. c. 8. Ca••i. catec. c. 3. §. 13. Bellarm. de Concil. l. 2. c. 12. Stapl. doct. princip. l. 9. c. 1. & 2. & Rel. c. 4. q. 2. pag 471. Non Scripturam Apostolus sed Ecclesiam vocauit Columnam & firmamentum fidei, &c.
• o 1.3

  Stapl. ib. q. 1. ar. 1. Non est per se, & proprie medium ad credendum.—Non est obiectum fidei forma∣le, aut aliqua pars eius. Id promp. cath. p. 3. feria 3. post caput leiunij, pa 10. Bos. de sig l. 16. c. 10. Siue fidem spectes, siue charitatē, non ad libros sed ad ecclesiā confugiendum.
• p 1.4

  Stapl. rel. c. 4. q. 1. ar. 3. p 445. & ib. q 5. ad. 6.
• q 1.5

  Stapl. def. Ecc. auth. l. 1. c. 11. n. 5.
• r 1.6

  Stapl. rel. c. 4. q. 1. ar. 1. pa. 431.
• s 1.7

  Hermannus defended by Hosius cōt Brēt l. 3. Quae pie dicta esse scis.
• t 1.8

  Bellar. de Sa∣cram. l. 2. c. 25. Omnium dog∣matum firmitas pendet ab au∣thor. praesentis ecclesiae. Stapl. Rel. c. 5. q. 1. ar. 2. ad. 1. & 4. & q. 2. ar. 4. pag. 513. Grets def. Bella•• de verbo Dei, tr. de agnosc. Script. Canon.
• u 1.9

  Stapl. Rel. c. 4. q. 2. ad. 5.
• x 1.10

  Grets. def. Bel∣lar. de verbo Dei l. 3. c. 16.
• y 1.11

  Pigh. contra Ratisb. l. 3. A qua vniuersa nobis pendet Scripturarum authoritas. Bosius de fig. l. 16 c. 10. Scimus articulos esse veluti principia quaedam, quibus prae cunctis fides habenda. At SCRIPTVRA NON REFERTVR INTER E∣IVSMODI PRINCIPIA, sed per Ecclesiam quasi per principium quoddam probatur.
• z 1.12

  Greg. Val. to. 3. d. 1. q. 1. p. 1. pag. 30. Ecclesiae nomine intelligimus eius caput Rom. Pontifi∣cem. Bannes. 2.2. q. 1. ar. 10. Animaduertendum est cum Caietano, &c. quod apud D. Thomam pro eodem omnino reputatur authoritas Ecclesiae vniuersalis, & authoritas Concilij, & authori∣tas summi Pontificis. Grets. def. Bellar. de verb. Dei, l. 3. c. 10. pag. 1450. Canus loc. l. 6. c. 8. in prin∣cipio.
• a 1.13

  Gr. Val. to. 3. d. 1. q. 1. p. 7. Bellar. de eccles. l. 3. c. 5. Est summum caput quoad influxum exteriorem doctrinae fidei & sacramentorum. Gratian. d. 19. c. Ita Dominus. Azor. instit. mor p. 2 l. 5. c. 15. DEFINITIO FIDEI RESOLVITVR IN AVTHORITATEM PAPAE.
• b 1.14

  Bellar. de Pontif. l. 4. c. 3. & Recog. de Pontif. pa. 19.
• c 1.15

  Tho. Aq 2. 2. q. 1 ar. 10.
• d 1.16

  Viguer. instit. Theol. de virtut fi l. c. 10. ver. 13.
• e 1.17

  Gabr. 3. d. 25. q. vnic. dub. 3.
• f 1.18

  Gers. de potest. eccles. lect 11. Hic solus Sym∣bolum conde∣re. Refert ex alijs.
• g 1.19

  Banues 2. 2. q. 1. ar. 10. p. 44. (pro e••dem acci∣pit) edere sym∣bolum & or∣dinare. Arboreus The∣osoph. l 5. c. 10.
• h 1.20

  Ioh. Arbor. theosoph. l. 5. c. 10. Abbas di∣cit, Papam posse neuum fidei ar∣ticulum condere.
• i 1.21

  Stapl. Relect. c. 5 q. 1. ar. 2. Caietan. 2. 2. q. 1. ar. 10. Bannes, Pesantius, Gr. Valenc. & alij, ib. Azor. instit. mor. p. 2. l. 5. c 4.
• k 1.22

  Pius 4 bul. iuram. de profess. fidei, Iniunctum nobis. Azor. instit. mor. p. 2. l. 7. c. 2. Onuphr. vita Pij 4. This Creed is rehearsed in the Preface of Bishop Iuels works, Edition last.
• * 1.23

  Bosi{us} de sig. l. 3 c. 4. Nihil reue∣ra credi ab ec∣clesia quod non sit implicite sal∣tem in Scriptu∣ris sacris: quae iubent vt tradi∣tiones etiam te∣neamus.
• l 1.24

  Concil. Nice. 2 God created man after his owne image, &c. as we haue heard, so we haue seen. From these texts, and other as fit, THE NICENE DADS, by way of explication, deriue the vene∣ratiō of images.
• m 1.25

  Cone. Const. sess. 13 can. 4. Although Iesus Christ at his last Supper did or∣daine and mi∣nister to his dis∣ciples this vene∣nerable Sacra∣ment vnder both kinds, &c. and although in the Primitiue Church, yet we decree, that it shall be receiued by Lay people in one kind onely. Sur. to. 3. Concil. Iouer. epit. Concil Licet in primitiua ecclesia.
• n 1.26

  Arbor. Theosoph l. 5. c. 11. Per verbum Dei non solùm debemus intelligere quod in Euangelio conscriptum est, sed & id omne quod postea suggerente Spiritu sancto, ab Apo∣stolis & Patribus orthodoxis traditum est. Stapl. promptuar. Cath. p. 1 Dom. Pentecost. Christus in spiritu nos hodie docet, sicut olim Apostolos, &c Lindan Panopl. l. 3. c 2 Stapl. Rel. c. 4. q. 1. ar. 1 ad 4. Spiritus sanctus suggerit docendo Ecclesiam sensum doctrinae Christi & verborum e∣ius, DOCET AVTEM ET IPSE MVLTO PLVRA. Nec omnes partes docendi impleuit Chri∣stus, sed adhuc docet in Ecclesia Spiritus sanctus: nec à solo Dei verbo, sed à voce loquentis Ec∣clesiae pendet fides. Bos. de sig. l. 16. c. 10. Spiritus in mente Ecclesiae insculpsit quicquid in codi∣ces est relatum, ac multo plura.
• o 1.27

  Gratian. d. 19. c. in Canonicis. Turrecre. sum. de eccl. p. 2. c. 9. Caietan. de pri∣mat. c. 14. Concil. Basil. resp. synodal. de Author. Concil. general. pa. 143. & 145. Surius.