A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

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A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572.
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Lovanii :: Apud Ioannem Foulerum,
Anno 1568.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande.
Catholic Church -- Apologetic works.
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"A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 6, 2024.

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That in olde time many faithful at the celebration of the holy Mysteries stoode by, who receiued not the Communion. The 6. Chapter.

Ievvel. Pag. 225.

Good menne, saith M. Harding, vvithdravve them selues, and are contented to be present only, and to stand by, but receiue not the sacramēt.* 1.1 But Chrysostom saith, thou maist no more stande here, then an Heathen, that neuer vvas christened.

Harding.

YOu euer make your aduantage of vntrue reporte. I did not cal men good, for withdrawing themselues: but whereas in cōsideration of their vnworthinesse they would humbly withdraw them selues: I said, this de∣sire to be present, and deuoutely to stand by,* 1.2 was cōmen∣dable. As for S. Chrysostom, you abuse him very much, by interpreting, whom he calleth a Catechumen, who is a lear¦ner of the faith, a Heathē as though they were Heathens, that professe the faith, which is taught in the schoole of Christ. It was truly an heathnish interpretation of yours.

But that very place of S. Chrysostome proueth, it was become to be a custome in those dayes, the Christians to be present at the holy Mysteries, and to stande by, al∣though they did not receiue. And S. Chrysostome also suffered his owne people and diocesans, so to do. How be it reprouing them for negligence in not receiuing, he vehemently exhorted and stirred them to ofte receiuing. Qua ratione Praecodicit, Abite, qui preces fundere nō potestis?* 1.3 Tu vero impudēter perstas. Verum nō es istorū, sed de illis qui communicare possunt. Et tamē rem hāc nihil curas, nihil aesti∣mas? (Item). Aduenisti, hymnum cecinisti, cum cībus reliquis ex eorum te numero esse qui digni sunt, hoc ipso confessus es,

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quòd non cum indignis abscessisti. Quomodo cùm manseris, de mensa ista non participas? For what consideration saith the Crier of the Church, depart ye, that can not praye? Yet thou standest stil impudently. But (thou wilt saie) thou art none of those, but of them, who may communi∣cate, and yet carest thou nothing for it, regardest it no∣thing? Item afterward. Thou art come hither, thou hast songe an hymne, in this thy facte, that thou didst not de∣parte with the vnworthie, thou hast confessed thy selfe with al the rest, to be one of them, that are worthie. Wherefore then doest thou not participate of this table, seing thou remaynedst behinde?

Thus we see, it was the custome for the faithful peo∣ple, to be present at the mysteries, and to stand by, though they receiued not the communion. And albeit S. Chry∣sostom reproueth them fot not communicating, yet he doth not excommunicate them, as breaking the order of the Church in tarying. And yet if there had ben such an order, he would haue caused the Deacō no lesse to haue driuen them out, then the Catechumens, the possessed of Spirites, or the penitentes. But this oddes there was, that they only were of necessitie driuen out of the Church, who though they would, might not communicate: But the reste that might communicate, did, and might tarie, albeit they would not communicate.

Now a wise man (as M. Iewel taketh him selfe to be) would vnderstand, that how earnestly soeuer S. Cryso∣stom speaketh, to prouoke those that were present, to communicate: yet his meaning was not to burden them with any mortal sinne for standing by without receiuing the cōmunion. His wordes therfore import a counsel ra∣ther

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then a precept. And verely of the two, it were lesse euil to stand by, and not to cōmunicate, then neither to communicate, nor to stand by. Neither is the standing by that, which chiefly S. Chrysostome reproued, but the ab∣steining from the Communion. And there is no doubt, but if (whereas none at al by his owne wordes did some∣time communicate) S. Chrysostom had seene euery one go out of the Churche, and him selfe leafte alone: he would then as fast haue called them in againe, bidding them at the lest, to honour the Sacrifice with their pre∣sence, if they would not sacramentally communicate.

S. Augustine crieth out vpon those Heretikes,* 1.4 that bring the wordes of the Prophetes, whiche they spake against the high Priestes, and yet wil not looke to the deedes of the Prophetes, who alwayes remained in the same Churche with those high Priestes, whom they so muche reproued. But now the Lutherans, and Zuin∣glians, reprouing vs for certaine thinges, departe from our companie, faith, doctrine, and Church: wherein they haue no exam∣ple, neither of the Prophetes, nor of the Fa∣thers,

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