A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

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A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande.
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"A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 31, 2024.

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Of the Resurrection of the flesh attributed to the worthy receiuing of the blessed Sacrament. The 13. Chapter.

I Said, the Resurrection of the flesh is attributed in the Scriptures not only to the spirite of Christ, that dwel∣leth in vs, but also to the real eating of Christes fleshe in the Euchariste, bicause in S. Iohn Christe saith,* 1.1 he that eateth my flesh, and drincketh my bloude, hath life euerla∣sting, and I wil raise him againe in the last daye.

Iewel. Pag. 324.

VVhere is your real, and substantial eating?

Harding.

The eating of Christes supper was a real eating, and thereto the wordes of S. Iohn doo apperteine, as the ve∣ry circumstance, and also as al the olde Fathers declare, namely S. Chrysostom, and Cyrillus vpon that chapter.

Iewel. Ibidem.

S. Augustine expounding the same vvordes, saith, beleue,* 1.2 and thou hast eaten.

Harding.

S. Augustine saith it, though not vpon those wordes. But he meant of the spiritual eating by Faith only. You stil confounde eating by faith, with eating really at the Sacrament.

Iewel. Ibidem.

Nicolas Lyra,* 1.3 one of your ovvne Doctours, saith, these vvordes of S. Iohn perteine nothing to the Sacrament. Thus he saith, Hoc verbum dire∣ctè nihil pertinet ad Sacramentalem, vel corporalem manduca∣tionem. This saying (of the sixth of Iohn) perteineth nothing directly to the Sacramētal, or corporal eating. It vvas some ouersight of your parte M. Harding, to seeke to proue the eating, of the Sacramēt by those vvordes that by your ovvne doctors iudgemēt perteineth nothing to the Sacramēt.

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Harding.

But it was a more ouersight of you M. Iewel to-blemish your credite by belying my doctor,* 1.4 if Lyra be my Doctor. For Lyra neuer said the wordes, that you allege. Your cotation directeth the Reader to the Psalme: 111. Read thexposition that Lyra maketh vpon that Psalme, who liste, he shal find him to saie no such thing. In deede he expoundeth that Psalme of the Euchariste, and saith quite cōtrarie to your doctrine,* 1.5 In praecedenti Psalmo actū est de Sacerdotio Christi & eius sacrificio, quod est Euchari∣stia: in isto agitur de Eucharistiae efficacia. In the former Psalme the Priesthod of Christ was treated of, and his Sa∣crifice, which is the Euchariste: in this Psalme the effica∣cie of the Euchariste is treated of. There ye haue a plaine testimonie bothe of Christes Priesthod, and of his Sacri∣fice, whiche he perfourmed otherwheres then vpon the Crosse, which you denie. For which cause specially, I sup∣pose, ye cal him one of mine owne doctours. In conside∣ration whereof al the Doctours of Christes Church be my Doctours, they be not yours. For that Doctrine is generally taught by them al.

* 1.6Tha Lyra vnderstode the wordes of Christe spoken in the sixth Chapter of S. Iohn, of the Euchariste, it is cleere, bothe by thexposition of that Psalme, and also of that chapter. In the exposition of the Psalme, to declare the benefite of the Sacrament worthily receiued, h•…•… allegeth those wordes of Christe, Si quis manducauerit ex hoc pane, viuet in aeternum. If any man eate of this Breade, he shal liue for euer. Touching the 6. chapter of S. Iohn, vpon these wordes, Operamini non cibum qui pe∣rit,

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&c. Thus he writeth: Haec autem esca est Christi cor∣pus in Eucharistia, &c. This meate (whereof S. Iohn spea∣keth) is the Bodie of Christe in the Euchariste, as it ap∣peareth by the letter following, in whiche he speaketh very diffusely of the Sacrament of the Euchariste, shewing what is conteined in it really. Whereof it is said in this very Cha∣pter hereafter, my Fleash is very meate, and my Bloude is ve∣ry drinke. Whereby the errour of Berengarius is taken awaye, who said the Body of Christe to be conteined in this Sacrament, as in a Signe. For the whiche he recanted his saying, as erroneus. Thus Lyra. By these, and by many other wordes there, Lyra sheweth at large, that he was of the opinion, that sundrie sayinges of Christe, in the 6. Chapter of S. Iohn perteine to the Sacrament. Where∣by it appeareth, how falsely you haue belyed him.

The wordes which you allege M. Iewel to entwite me of ouersighte, are not the wordes of Nicolas Lyra mine owne Doctor, as you saie, but of one Matthias Doring,* 1.7 who wrote Replies against the Additions of Pau∣lus Burgensis printed with Lyras expositions. Wherein as you haue deceiued your Reader with false forgerie, fathering that vpon Lyra, that Lyra neuer said, nor drea∣med of: so you haue fowly corrupted also this poore Doctor Doring, with cutting of his wordes, pretending him to speake of these wordes of S. Iohn, He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my bloude, hath life euerlasting, and I wil raise him againe in the last daie, which I alleged: whereas in deede he spake neither of these wordes spe∣cially, nor of Christes whole discourse in that chapter of S. Iohn in general, but onely of these special wordes of S. Iohn, Nisi manducaueritis carnem filij hominis, & bi∣beritis

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eius sanguinem, non babebitis vitam in vobis. Except ye eate the flesh of the Sonne of man, and drinke his Bloude, ye shal not haue life in you.

That the truth be knowen, and your falsehed detected, thus it is. Burgensis had written these wordes: Licet Io∣hannis sexto legatur,* 1.8 Nisi manducaueritis carnem filij homi∣nis, non habebitis vitam in vobis, per hoc tamen secundùm Doctores non imponitur praeceptum necessitatis ad sumptio∣nem huius Sacramenti, prout Augustinus declarat. Vnde sumptio huius Sacramenti corporaliter quantum ad populum, vel Laicos, cadit sub consilio potius, quàm praecepto. Al∣though we reade in the sixth Chapter of S. Iohn, except ye eate the flesh of the Sonne of man, ye shal not haue life in you, yet hereby after the Doctors minde we are not charged with a precept of necessitie to receiue this Sacra∣mēt, but only the thing of the Sacrament. (By the thing of the Sacrament is meant the Vnitie of the Church) as S. Au∣gustin declareth. Wherefore the receiuing of this Sacra∣mēt bodily, as touching the laie people, is such a thing, as is rather counseled, then cōmaunded. Hitherto Burgensis.

Now cōmeth me in Doctor Doring, whom M. Iew∣el would haue menne beleue to be Nicolas Lyra, and fin∣deth fault with Burgensis for alleging the said wordes of S. Iohn, excepte ye eate the flesh of the Sonne of man, &c. to this sense,* 1.9 that the corporal Communion, as touching the laie people, is a matter of counsel. Per hoc non satis∣fit Haereticis modernis. The Heretiques of our age wil not be satisfied with this, saith he. And why? It followeth there: Quia litera non habet illud dictū fundamentum. Bi∣cause that saying (that the bodily receiuing of the Sacramēt in laye folke is a matter of counsel) hath not his foundation

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out of the texte. And therefore concerning the Sacramental Communion, it hath not the force of a precept, neither for the Clergie, nor for the laitie, as touching al, according to the true vnderstāding of that text. Howbeit in the same place it is de∣clared, of what eating, and drinking it ought to be vnderstā∣ded, to witte, of the spiritual. For it foloweth, he that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my bloud, dwelleth in me, and I in him. Which S. Augustin expoundeth saying, Hoc est manducare illam escam, & bibere illum potum, in Christo manere, & Christum manentem in se habere. This is to eate that meate, and to drinke that drinke, a man to dwel in Christ, and to haue Christ dwel in him, which is no thing els, but to be in Charitie.. Then followe these wordes, whereof M. Iewel would take aduantage. Hoc aūt omnibus indifferēter est praeceptū implicitè, sed nihil directè pertinet ad Sacramē∣talem, vel corporalem manducationem. Hoc verbum nisi mā∣ducaueritis, &c. This is geuē in cōmaundement to al men indifferently by waie of implying: But this saying, Ex∣cept ye eate the flesh of the Sōne of man &c. This word, or this saying, perteineth nothing at al to the Sacramētal, or corporol eating. Thus farre Matthias Doring.

Thus you maie vnderstand M. Iewel, the wordes you allege be not Lyras, but one Doringes, and the same haue relation not to the place of S. Ihon that I brought, but onely to these wordes, Excepte ye eate the fleshe of the Sonne of man, ye shal not haue life in you. Whiche wordes after that Doctours mynde importe not a precepte of necessitie of the Sacramental, or corporal eating, and so thinke I to. And though he iudged, they were not aptly alleged of Burgensis to proue that the bodi∣ly receiuing of the Sacrament is a mater of counsel,

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and not of precepte, bicause they perteine not to the Sacramental Communion at al: yet the other saying, he that eateth my fleshe, and drinketh my bloude, hath life auerlasting, and I wil raise him againe in the last daie, maie wel be alleged for benefite of the Resurrection of the fleshe to redounde to the faithful beleeuer, of the wor∣thy receiuing of Christes Bodie in the Euchariste, for whiche purpose it was by me alleged. You should haue sene these thinges better, before ye had entwited me of ouersight.

Iewel.

Hovv liued then the Patriarkes, and Martyrs, and hovv shal children haue life, vvho neuer receiue the Sacrament?

Harding.

* 1.10I make not the real eating of Christes flesh the onely meane of Resurrection to life. And therefore your long talke is to no purpose, which you vtter in this place. They shal liue by the spirite of Christe, who gaue them Faith, and Charitie. But doth not therefore S. Iohn speake al∣so of real eating? as though one effecte may not be wrought by diuers meanes concurring thereunto? Ego (saith Cyrillus) id est,* 1.11 corpus meū quod comedetur, resuscita∣bo eū. I wil raise him, that is to say, my body, which shalbe eaten, shal raise him. Thus you see plainely, that touching this point, no lesse Clerke then Cyrillus teacheth the same, that I said, which you haue vniustly, and rashly controlled, as you haue done the reste of the Catholike Do¦ctrine.

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