A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

Harding. The Pope, or any other Bisshop is Bisshop, though he be negligent in doing his duetie.

* 1.1I said ynough to this in my Confutation, whereof the chiefe pith M. Iewel in the Defence hath slyly least out, that it might not in his owne booke appeare to the Rea∣der, howe fully the Apologie is in that place confuted. Now I adde thereto this much more. Can any man iust∣ly

blame the Pope that now is, for the doing of his due∣tie? Hath not he, and other his Predecessours in our time assembled a general Councel, and therein disclosed al your heresies, with mature disputations examined, con∣futed, and condemned them? Hath not he in so doing donne more good, then M. Iewel (if he should recant, and become a true Catholique) doo al the daies of his life, though he were suffered to preache as many Sermons, and doo otherwise, as true Penance woulde require?

Yea suppose he had leaft at this vndonne, neither had an∣swered to his vocation in most duetiful wise, were he therefore no Bishop at al? As S. Augustine saith, a Bisshop is a name of labour, and not of honour: So S. Hierom saith,* 1.2 that a Bishop is a name of honour, and of dignitie. Let M. Ie∣wel make both these to agree together, and graunt, that a Bishop is both the name of labour, and of honour: Of la∣bour, bicause his chiefe office, and merite standeth in the diligent and paineful doing of his duetie: of honour, bi∣cause qui bene praesunt presbyteri, duplici honore digni sunt,* 1.3 maximè qui laborant in verbo & doctrina, Priestes that gouerne wel, are worthy of double honour, specially such as take paines in the worde, and teaching.

But put the case the Pope doth not his duetie: hath he lost by and by the order of Priestehood, or Bishoply or∣der? M. Iewel saith yea, but S. Chrysostome saith no:* 1.4 in whom we finde these wordes. Sacra ipsa Oblatio si∣ne illam Petrus, siue illam Paulus, siue cuiusuis meriti Sa∣cerdos eam offerat, eadem est quam dedit Christus ipse Dis∣cipulis, quámque Sacerdotes modo conficiunt. Nihil habet ista, quám illa minus. The holy Oblation it selfe, be it Peter, or be it Paule, or of what so euer merite the

Prieste be, that offereth it: it is the selfe same, that Christe did geue to his Disciples, the selfe same, that Priestes at these daies also do consecrate. Thus S. Chrysostome. If a Prieste of what so euer merite, or deserte he be, good, or euil, doo offer vp the selfe same oblation, that Christ gaue to his Disciples, as S. Chrysostom saith, seing he hath ful power, be he good, be he naught, to consecrate, and to offer vp the selfe same oblation, that Christ gaue to his Disciples: how shal M. Iewel not graunt, but that he remaineth a Priest stil, be he neuer so negligent, or otherwise vnworthy of that dignitie? Likewise a Bishop, be he neuer so vnmindeful, and carelesse touching his duetie: it is not his negligence, or euil life, that bereueth him of his bishoply Order, and Degree.

For proufe hereof, if there were no other testimo∣nie to be alleged, this of S. Chrysostome might suffice. But S. Augustine disputing with the Donatistes,* 1.5 whose heresie was of neare cousinage vnto that M. Iewel here holdeth, hath so plaine a place, that neither he, nor al his felowes shal euer be hable to auoide. And this it is. Sa∣cramentum Baptismi est, quod habet, qui baptizat. Et Sa∣cramentum dandi Baptismi est, quod habet, qui ordinatur. Sicut autem baptizatus, si ab vnitate recesserit, Sacramen∣tum Baptismi non amittit: sic etiam Ordinatus, si ab vni∣tate recesserit, Sacramentum dandi Baptismum non amittit. Nulli enim Sacramento iniuria facienda est: si discedit à malis, vtrum{que} discedit: Si permanet in malis, vtrum{que} per∣manet. Et paulò post. Redeuntes, qui priusquàm reciderēt ordinati sunt, non vtique rursus ordinantur, sed aut admini∣strant quod administrabant, si hoc Ecclesiae vtilitas postu∣lat, aut si non admistrant, Sacramentum Ordinationis sua

tamen gerunt, & ideo eis manus inter Laicos non imponi∣tur. It is the Sacrament of Baptisme, that he hath, whiche is baptized. And it is the Sacrament of mini∣string Baptisme, whiche he hath that is in Orders. But as the baptized personne, if he should departe from the Vnitie (of the Churche) doth not lose the Sacra∣ment of Baptisme: euen so he that is in (holy) Orders, if he departe from the vnitie (of the Churche) doth not lose the Sacrament of geuing Baptisme. For to no Sacrament may we doo wrong. If (the Sacramentes) doo departe from such as are il, both the Sacramentes (of Baptisme, and holy Orders) doo departe. If it abyde in such, as are il, both (the Sacrament of Baptisme and of holy Orders) doo abyde. Againe there a litle after. They that returne (from Schisme and Heresie) if they were in holy Orders, before they became schismatikes, they do not receiue ho∣ly Orders againe, but either they do minister that which they did minister, if the profite of the Churche do so re∣quire, or, if they minister not, yet do they beare the Sa∣cramēt of their holy Orders stil, and therefore the handes are not laid vpon them among the laie sorte. Hitherto S. Augustine.

What hath M. Iewel to saie vnto this? If S. Augu∣stine saie, that an Heretique, or a Schismatique doth not lose the Priestehoode, that he had lawfully before he fel into Schisme, or Heresie, shal M. Iewel con∣trol him with his newe Diuinitie, and saie vnto him, no sir, it is not so, For if a Bishop be negligent, and doo not his duetie, I saie, he loseth his Order, or Bisshophoode, and is no more a Bishoppe? M. Iewels il lucke is, that whereas he readeth many Fathers, or some others

for him, and heapeth a number of their sayinges together to fil vp a great booke: neuer a one can be found, that when any mater commeth to trial, maketh clearely for his side. No marueil. For truth can neuer be made to serue against truth.

Notes

• * 1.1

  The .37. Chapt.
• * 1.2

  Hieron. in epist. ad Euagriū.
• * 1.3

  1. Tim. 5.
• * 1.4

  Chrysost. Homil. 2. in cap. 1. epist. 2. ad Timoth.
• * 1.5

  August. de Baptis. cō∣tra Dona∣tist. lib. 1. cap. 1.