A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

About this Item

Title
A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
Author
Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572.
Publication
Lovanii :: Apud Ioannem Foulerum,
Anno 1568.
Rights/Permissions

To the extent possible under law, the Text Creation Partnership has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above, according to the terms of the CC0 1.0 Public Domain Dedication (http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/). This waiver does not extend to any page images or other supplementary files associated with this work, which may be protected by copyright or other license restrictions. Please go to http://www.textcreationpartnership.org/ for more information.

Subject terms
Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande.
Catholic Church -- Apologetic works.
Link to this Item
http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001
Cite this Item
"A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 15, 2024.

Pages

That it was no great offence to cal M. Iewel him selfe a Lyer, a Falsifier, a Boaster, a Scoffer.

AS for your selfe M. Iewel, who euer was so vaine, so foolish, so insolent, so cockish, so mad, as to make such a Chalenge to al learned men a liue? And now

Page 38

how vnhable you are to defend it, what wise man seeth not? Yet bicause you thinke your selfe shamed for euer, excepte you stand to it stoutely: ye proceede without regard of truth, or modestie. And nowe seing your selfe brought to this distresse, that you must either yeelde with some shame, or prosecute your Chalenge with more shame: ye choose rather to seeme impudent in lying, and to passe al measure in craking, then any thing ouerseene in that you first tooke in hande. And albeit, bothe I, and others, haue made most euident proufe hereof, and the thing it selfe speaketh so muche, yea and your owne very frendes see it, and be right sor∣for it: yet forsooth to cal M. Iewel a lyer, a sclaunderer, a craking Chalenger: by verdite of M. Iewel him selfe, it was vnmannerly and vnciuilly done.

But sir, sith you require me to be so courteous in my writinges against you, why did not you your selfe in yours against me, vse more courtesie? Is that commen∣dable in you, whiche is reproueable in me? Or els, what, haue you a special dispensation to say what you liste, and to require al others to adore you, and say, Aue Rabbi? Shal it be lawful for you, to crie out vpon vs, tolle, tolle, crucifige: and must we sing vnto you, Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus? Whiles ye barke, and bite, must we caste a disshe of fragmentes vnto you? Whiles ye play the Beare with vs, must we throw honny vnto you? Whiles ye play the parte of Satan, must we light a candle before you?

S. Paule the chosen vessel of Christe, teaching Titus,* 1.1 how to demeane himselfe towardes such as you are, said, Increpa illos durè, rebuke them sharpely. But what soeuer

Page [unnumbered]

you say, or doo, must we needes sothe you, and smooth you? Muste we, stroke you and cooxe you, as men doo curst boyes, after they haue done shrewd turnes? If you passe al men that euer wrote, in number of lyes, in va∣nitie of boasting, in the common custom of scoffing, as now it hath benne prooued against you: shal we feare, that we seeme not to lacke the ciuilitie you speake of, to cal you a lyer, a boaster, a scoffer? What is the matter, that doing so il, you require to be spoken of so wel?

* 1.2PErhaps whereas the Rentes of the Bishoprike of Sarisburie cause men al to belorde you, your eares being of long tyme accustomed to suche honorable greetinges, you looke to be honoured at our handes, as you are of your poore hungry Craftesmen, that ha∣uing learned to reade Englishe pretily, sue vnto you for Ministerships. And then whereas you lye impudently, folowing them we muste saie, were it not, that your good Lordship saith so, verely we should haue thought otherwise. And whereas you falsifie your testimonies, we must put the fault in your Spectacles. When you hew and mangle the Doctours so fowly, that al the worlde may see it: we must beare you in hande, that when your Lordship wrote so, the booke was not at hande. When you serue vs with a point of Scur∣rilitie, we muste saye: O howe it becommeth your L. to be meary? When you shoote at randon, diuer∣ting altogether from the special point that is to be an∣swered, vnto impertinent matter: we must say, your L. shooteth faire, though somewhat wide of the marke. When by no witte, nor cunning, you are hable to

Page 39

make good your Chalenge: yet then we must say, that your L. lacketh no woordes, and hath geuen a good Push towardes it. To be shorte, (for these be the spe∣cial pointes for whiche you accuse my vtterance of vn∣courtesie) when you speake big, and Goliathlike vp∣braid al the hoste of God, to witte, the whole Ca∣tholique Churche of these laste thousand yeres: what must we doo, but to shew token of feare,* 1.3 as the Israe∣lites vnder king Saul did, and geue backe, that you may boast, and crake alone?

Truly touching your dignitie, what accompte so euer you make of your selfe, I take you but for M. Iewel Ba∣cheler of Diuinitie, sometime person of Sunningwel be∣twen Oxford and Abington. And that is the greatest de∣gree, that euer I knewe you called vnto. If the Quenes Highnes of her special fauour towardes you, haue geuen you the rentes of the Bishoprike of Sarisburie, you are the more bounde to thanke her, and to consider, what accompte you haue to make of it. It is not money, that can set you one steppe higher in ecclesiastical degree. A Bishop you are not I am right sure, neither can al the Kinges, and Quenes of the worlde, nor al the Parla∣mentes of England, by any their owne onely power and auctoritie make you a lawful and a true Bishop. The same I tolde you in my Confutation of your Apologie, whiche point you haue not sufficiently answered: as it shal ap∣peare. Yet was it very behoofful for you to haue fully an∣swered. But I beare with you, as therein not lacking good wil, but habilitie. Study for it, so long as you wil, you shal neuer be hable to make it good, that you are yet a right Bishop.

Page [unnumbered]

Therefore in this respecte you ought to beare with my bolde vtterance the more, taking you for no greater man in right, then you were, when you subscribed in Oxford to the Real Presence, to the Sacrifice of the Masse, and to those other pointes, that now you im∣pugne so busily. In very deede, this muche I confesse, that in case you were a Bishop, though an vnworthy Bishop, yea a wicked Bishop: yet for the dignitie of that Vocation, and for the Orders sake, I should, and would reuerence you accordingly.

* 1.4Whereas it was tolde S. Paule, after he had reui∣led Ananias, that he was the high Bishop, he reuoked his worde, and submitted him selfe to that was written, Thou shalt not curse the gouernour of thy people.* 1.5 Where∣by he doth vs to vnderstande, that had he knowen, he had benne no Bishop at al, he woulde not haue reuoked his worde (that in your opinion, is vnciuile and vncourteous) but haue let it stand in force. You being as il a man, as euer Ananias was, and hauing done muche more spite vnto the Churche of Christe, and more dishonour vnto God, then euer he did: beare with me for speaking truly and ernestly without flat∣terie.* 1.6 The example of S. Paule (saying to Ananias, Thou painted wal, not knowing him to be the high Bishop, and yet occupying a more honorable roome, then you are yet called vnto) leadeth me not greatly to repent of any of those wordes spoken of you, or of your fe∣lowes the Sacramentaries, and Protestantes of our time, whiche to impaire my credite, you haue culled out of my Bookes, and laid together in one heape. And what so euer I haue written or said, that toucheth your

Page 40

person specially, and irketh you: I take God to record, therein I respected not M. Iewel the priuate man, but M. Iewel the publique enemie of Christes Churche, the professed Impugner of the Truth, and Catholique Re∣ligion, the despiser, and prophaner of the holy Sacra∣mentes, the breaker of vnitie, the enemie of God. And for my warrant in so doing, I haue the exam∣ples (whiche here I laid forth before) of the Prophe∣tes, of the Apostles, specially of S. Paule, S. Iude, and S. Peter, of S. Iohn the Baptiste, of our Sauiour Christe him selfe.

Yea I say furthermore, what is that sharpenes of wor∣des, whiche in this case, I meane, when the auctoritie of the Councels, and holy Fathers is so lightly contemned, when Gods holy Mysteries are so turkishly prophaned, when the Churche is so falsly sclaundered, when vnitie is so with most certaine danger of Christian soules bro∣ken, when the whole state of the Catholique Religion is so wickedly ouerthrowen, briefly when God him selfe is so horribly blasphemed: In this case I say, what sharpenes of wordes is there, which iuste griefe of a Christian harte, and godly zeale, causeth not to seeme, not onely excusa∣ble, but also laudable, yea necessary, yea with praise, and reward to be honoured?

If, when the Children of Israel, defyled them selues in Fornication with the wemen of Moab, God in anger said to Moyses, take al the chiefe of the people,* 1.7 and hang them vp in Gibettes against the Sunne, that my wrath may be turned from Israel: where there is so muche bothe bodily and spi∣ritual fornication, yea sacrilegious Incest, not only cōmit∣ted, but permitted, but taught, but coūseled and exhorted,

Page [unnumbered]

and for some parte commaunded against the honour and wil of God, our Moyseses, and Aarons, the true Gouer∣nours withholden from executing their dewtie: shal it not become vs, whose hartes God toucheth, at least with wordes to shewe the griefe of our mindes, and with con∣uenient sharpenes of speache to rebuke the heinous wic∣kednes that is committed, and so (for so muche as in vs lyeth) to reuoke Gods people from it?

If Phinees, being nor high Priest, nor magistrate, but only as yet a priuate man,* 1.8 was highly praised, and rewar∣ded of God, for his zeale in killing one of the Israelites for whooredom committed with an harlot of Madian, to stay Gods wrath: shal we seme to deserue blame, for vt∣tering onely wordes in reproufe of so farre more heinous crimes, if not to stay God from his iuste wrath, nor the offenders from their wickednes, yet the people of God from the like example?

What, you are very nice M Iewel, that finde so great faulte with me onely for certaine sharpe wordes besto∣wed in reprehension of your, and your companions so diuers, and so greeuous enormities. You are not taken vp for halting (as they say) pardy. Halting may haue some excuse of humaine infirmitie. This that is reprehended in you, is not only halting, it is falling downe right. Nei∣ther are you so muche to be rebuked for your owne wil∣ful falling downe, but muche more for that you studie and labour al that you can, to pul al others downe into the pitte, that your selfe are fallen into.

Now in this case, the pitte being so dangerous, is it not wel, and dewtifully done, to geue warning to Gods people to beware of it? Al that I writte, is for the peoples

Page 41

sake. For with you, and such as you are, I haue litle hope to doo any good. Suche ones the Apostle aduertiseth vs,* 1.9 not to deale withal. Now how shal the people be dew∣ly warned to beware, whose senses be more liuely in worldly, then in spiritual thinges, excepte the dulnes of their minde be stirred vp with the feare of great peril? And how can the greatnes of this peril be signified vnto them, but with wordes of some vehemencie? As for ex∣ample: If I should say to one that goeth forth by night, sir, the way you shal passe through, is vneeuen, by reason of litle holes and furrowes: And you take not heede, you may happen to stumble, or perhappes to wrentche your foote. Vpon this warning, wil he be so careful how to go, as if I say thus, If you loue your life, beware how you go that way, for there be great pittes, and dun∣geons, that you shal hardly escape, and if you fal, you are sure to breake your necke.

The case is like in this behalfe M. Iewel. The peo∣ple be alwaies going foreward, and for lacke of know∣ledge, they passe forth, as it were by night. Now, so farre as we are persuaded, the way they go in at this day in En∣gland, to be perilous, as that whiche through Schismes, and Heresies, and other manifold wickednes thereof en∣sewing, leadeth them to euerlasting damnation: should we not deceiue them, if we tolde them, that Dungeons were but furrowes, that deepe pittes were but stumbling holes, and that there were no great Danger in the way?

For this cause therefore M. Iewel, that the people of God might be the more a fraid to heare you, and beleeue you, and to folow your damnable waies: I thought it good and expedient, in writing against you, and against the he∣resies

Page [unnumbered]

of our time, to vse shrpr wordes, and speache of more vehemencie, then otherwise I would haue done, if I had written to you priuatly, or so, as knowing that my bookes should haue come to no mannes handes, but to yours. I knew you would wince, and kicke at it. But spare not, litle care I therefore, so that by my labour profite redounde to Christian People.

Notes

Do you have questions about this content? Need to report a problem? Please contact us.