A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

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A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572.
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Lovanii :: Apud Ioannem Foulerum,
Anno 1568.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande.
Catholic Church -- Apologetic works.
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"A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online 2. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A02637.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 15, 2024.

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Item there. Iewel.

That vnto him belongeth the right of bothe Svvordes, as vvel Tempo∣ral, as spiritual. Confut. fol. 247. b.

Harding.

What so euer I bring in my Confutation concerning both Swordes committed vnto the Successour of S. Pe∣ter, it is S. Bernardes, it is not myne. Wheras the Apologie maker, were it M. Iewel, or who so euer it was (by the multitude of the light scoffes, it appeareth that he was the Penneman of it, mary the stuffe I heare say was gathered by the whole Brotherhead) whereas, I say, he steppeth forth very peartly, and saith thus,* 1.1 I haue a special fansie to

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common a worde or two with the Popes good Holinesse, and to say these thinges vnto his owne face, Tel vs I praie you good holy Father, &c. Which of the Fathers euer said, that bothe the Swordes were committed vnto you? To this question the answere I make in the Popes behalfe, is this.

* 1.2Let S. Bernard writing to a Pope, answer for the Pope. He is a sufficient witnesse. Where your selfe doo allege him much against the Pope, you can not by the lawe iustly refuse him, speaking for the Pope. The spiritual sworde you denie not, I trowe. Of the temporal sworde belonging also to the Pope, thus saith S. Bernarde to Eu∣genius.

He that denieth this sworde to be thine, seemeth to me not to consider sufficiently the worde of our Lorde say∣ing thus (to Peter thy predecessour) put vp thy sworde in the scaberd. The very same then is also thine, to be drawen forth perhappes at thy becke, though not with thy hande. Elles if the same belonged in no wise vnto thee, where as the Apostles said,* 1.3 beholde there be two swordes here: Our Lorde would not haue answered, it is yenough, but it is to muche. So bothe be the Churches, the spiritual sworde, and the material. But this to be exercised for the Churche, and that of the Churche. That by the hande of the Priest, this of the souldier, but verely at the becke of the Priest, and commaundement of the Emperour. Thus touching the Popes bothe swordes you are fully answered by S. Bernarde. I trust you wil not be so vncourteous, as to put him beside: nor so parcial, as to allow him, when he seemeth, to make some shewe for you, and to refuse him, when he is found plaine contrarie to your false assertions.

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Vpon this place of S. Bernarde M. Iewel in the De∣fence, sitting forsooth,* 1.4 as it were vpon the Benche like a Iudge, hauing power to geue sentence, either of life, or of death, saith ful grauely, and Iudgelike, and pro∣nounceth this sentence. S. Bernarde saith, The Pope hath bothe swordes. But S. Bernardes authoritie in this case is but simple. But why I praie you Sir Iudge? Marke the cause, and profounde reason of this Iudge. He liued (saith he) eleuen hundred yeeres after Christes Ascension, in the time of King Henry the first the King of England, in the middes of the Popes route and tyrannie.

And shal we for this cause shake of S. Bernarde? Then why maie we not as wel sitte in Iudgement vpon M. Iewel, and in like sorte, but with more reason, pronounce this sentence? M. Iewel saith, the bodie of Christe is not in the Euchariste: the bodie, and bloude of Christe are not to be adored in the Sacrament: The Churche hath no externall Sacrifice, no external Priesthod: Praier made for the dead is vaine and super∣stitious: There be not seuen Sacramentes, but one∣ly two, and by the same grace is not conferred or ge∣uen, but onely signified: The Pope is Antichriste, and al that holde the olde Faith of the Churche, who are Papistes, perteine to the Kingdome of Antichriste, &c. But M. Iewels authoritie in these cases is but simple. He liued almost sixteen hundred yeeres after Christe, and is yet aliue, in the time of Quene Elizabeth, the Quene of England, in the middes of the Caluinistes route, and tyrannie. The same sentence with a smal change of wordes, maie with like reason be pronoun∣ced vppon Luther, Zuinglius, Peter Martyr, Bucer,

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Caluine, Beza, Baudie Bale, Hooper, Cranmare, and the rest of that wicked route.

It were a thing worthy to be knowen, why S. Bernarde should be condemned in respecte of his age, and of the route, whiche this man telleth vs the Popes then bare, and these Apostates should be beleeued, and honoured with al mennes assent yelded to their sayinges and teachinges, their age being foure hundred yeeres later, the tyranny, crueltie, vilanie, and outrage, whiche in sundry places by them of that side is vsed, farre surmounting any what so euer seueritie of gouernement, whiche the Popes vsed in that time, their learning not equal with the learning of S. Bernarde, their witte muche inferiour to his, of eithers vertue, and good life, what shal I speake? To compare theirs with his, it were a kinde of blasphemie, so holy a Father was he, so dissolute Apostates are these.

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