A detection of sundrie foule errours, lies, sclaunders, corruptions, and other false dealinges, touching doctrine, and other matters vttered and practized by M.Iewel, in a booke lately by him set foorth entituled, a defence of the apologie. &c. By Thomas Harding doctor of diuinitie.

Item there, Iewel.

VVhereas Pope Zacharias by the consent, or the conspiracie of the No∣bles of France deposed Chilpericus, the true, natural, and liege Prince of that Realme, and placed Pipinus in his roume: Lo, saith M. Harding, ye must needes Confesse, that this was a diuine power in the Pope: for otherwise he could neuer haue donne it. Thus muche he esteemeth the dishonours, and ouerthrovves of Gods anointed. Confut. Fol. 182. a.

Harding.

Nay rather Lo saith M. Harding, ye must needes con∣fesse, that M. Iewel belieth him, and bothe vntruly re∣porteth his wordes, and falsifieth that Storie. For truly to speake, it was not Pope Zacharie, that deposed Childe∣rike. Let it be weighed, what I saie touching this matter answering to the obiection, which the Apologie maketh against the Popes in general. These be my wordes.

* 1.1If the Pope Zacharias deposed Childerike (for so I finde him more commonly named) the king of Fraunce, only vpon his owne pleasure, or displeasure, as ye saie, and placed Pipine for him: can ye tel that storie, and not see, what a strength of auctoritie is in that See, which is hable with a worde to place, and displace the mightiest king in Europe?

With a worde I saie, for I am sure you can shewe vs of no armie, that he sent to execute that his wil. Is that the power of a man trowe ye, to appointe Kingdomes? Can the Deuil him selfe at his pleasure set vp, and depose Kinges? No surely. And muche lesse can any member of his doo the same. Remember ye what Christe said, when the Iewes obiected, that he did cast out Deuilles,* 1.2 in the name of the prince of De∣uilles?

Beware ye sinne not against the holy Ghoste, who confesse, that the Pope hath pulled downe, and set vp Kinges. Which thing vndoubtedly he could not doo profitably, and peaceably, but by the great power of God.

And yet did that line of Pipine,* 1.3 and Charles the great, whiche the Pope did set vp, florish aboue any other stocke, that ye can name sence the inclina∣tion of the Romaine Empire. Whiche in that transpo∣sed state of so great a Kingdome, maketh no obscure Argument of heauenly approbation, and diuine pro∣uidence.

Neither did the Pope Zacharias depose Childerike, bicause he fansied him not, as ye sclaunder, but only consented to loose his subiectes from bonde of othe made to him, at the general, and most earnest request, and sute of al the Nobilitie, and communaltie of the whole realme of Fraunce,* 1.4 finding him very vnprofi∣table, and vnmeete for the kingdome, as one who being of no witte, and therefore commonly named Stupidus, as muche to saie, a dolt, was altogeth•••• be∣sides like a Sardanapalus, geuen wholly to belly chere, and to filthy loue of women. Therefore in your owne wordes ye confesse a diuine power in the Pope, as by whom God directeth the willes of faithful princes on the earth. The more such examples ye bring, the worse ye make your cause. I would hier you to ease me of the la∣bour of prouing such a notable facte.

You, that find so great fault with Pope Zacharias for cō∣senting after a sort to the depositiō of Childerike a beast∣ly man, an vnprofitable, and vnworthy King of Fraunce, why do ye allow, cherish, and cōmend so much Christofer

Goodman, and Iohn Knoxe, with their felowes, and hel∣pers, that were together at Geneua, for writing, intising, and doing, what in their power did lye, to depose the noble, and lawful Quenes of England, and Scotland, and with the Blastes of their traiterous Trompettes, to re∣moue them from the right of their Crownes, and roial estates? Saith not Goodman, that Wiat did his duetie in taking Armes against Queene Marie, and that al such were Traitours, as deceiued him, and tooke not his parte? If al be rightly constrewed, the Quenes Maiestie of England now being (I suppose) hath no great cause,* 1.5 either to commende them for such seditious Blastes, or to like wel of you, and your companions, for geuing eare, winde, and fauour to the blowing of the same. If Goodman had ben Pope of Rome, as Knoxe, they saie ta∣keth vpon him to be Pope of Scotland, ô Lorde what Counterblastes would ye, and your good fellow Trom∣peters e•• this haue blowen vp against him? Long er this t••e whole world should haue rong of it, and the Pulpites, whiche ye vse as your Hornes, and Trom∣pettes, should haue stooncke of your breath. But it is wel, that he hath a Good name, and is no Pope.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Confut. Fol. 181. b. King Chil¦derike of Fraunce deposed, and Pi∣pine ad∣uaunced to the croune.
• * 1.2

  Math. 12.
• * 1.3

  The pro∣speritie of the line of Pi¦pine and Charles surmoun∣ted al other. VVhat did Pope zacharias in the de∣posing of king Chil¦derike.
• * 1.4

  VVhat manner a mā Chil∣derike vvas.
• * 1.5

  Goodmās bookes named the first, and secōd blaste against the mon∣strous re∣gimēt of vvomen. Item an other, hovv to obey or disobey. VVith other the like fier∣brādes of knoxe, ād Gilbie. Goodmā in the Treatie, hovv to obeie, or disobeie, pag. 204.