not, & that because it had not his originall of God & hys blessed word: and yet I deny not, but yt a man beyng tro∣bled in his conscience, and resorting to a discreete, sober & christian learned man, for the quieting of hys mind, might well be permitted: but to binde a man vnder payne of dā∣nation, once euery yeare to number his sinnes into ye eare of a filthy lecherous priest, is not of God, neither cā be ap∣proued by his word.
Bish.
Ah sirrha, yee will admitte nothing but scripture, I see well.
Rose.
No truely, my Lord, I admit nothing but scripture for the regiment of the soule: for why, faythe commeth by hearing, & hearing by the word of god, and where ye word of God is not, there ought no beliefe to bee geuen. For what soeuer is not of fayth, is sinne, and here they leaue of speaking any more of that matter.
But then M. Chancelor began to whet his teeth at me saying: Yea, but you haue here preached that the reall, na∣turall, and substantiall presence of Christ is not in the Sa∣crament of the altar: what say ye to that?
Rose.
Uerily I say, that you are a bloudy man, & seeke to quench your thirst wt the bloud of an innocent, & therefore to satisfie you in that behalfe, I say verily vnto you, that euen so I haue here preached, and althoughe contrary to law, you charge me with ye same, yet will I in no wise de∣ny it, though iustly I might do it, but stand thereunto, euē to seale it with my bloud, desiring all that be here present, to testifie the same, and beleue it as the onely truth.
Bish.
I charge you all beleue it not.
Rose.
Yea, But my Lord, sayde I, if ye will needes haue credence geuen you, you must bring Gods word to main¦tayne your sayinges.
Bish.
Why, doth not Christ say: This is my body? and can there be any playner wordes spoken?
Rose.
It is true, my Lord, ye words be as playne as can be and euē so be these, where as it is said, I am a dore, a vine and Christ called a stone, a Lyon, and yet is hee naturally none of these. For they be all figuratiue speaches, as both the scriptures and fathers do sufficiently proue.
At which my saying, the Bishop woulde haue had me stay, saying, I should haue an other day, wherin I might take better aduisement.
Rose.
Not so, my Lord, sayde I, for I am at a full point wt my selfe in that matter, and am right well able to proue both your transubstantiation, with the reall presence, to be agaynst the scriptures & the ancient fathers of the prima∣tiue churche. For Iustinus which is one of the ancientest writers that euer wrote vpon the sacramentes, wryteth in his 2. Apologie, that the bread, water, and wine in the sacrament, are not to be taken as other meates & drinkes, but bee meates purposely ordayned to geue thankes vnto God, and therfore be called Eucharistia, and also haue the names of the body and bloud of Christe, and that it is not lawfull for anye man to eate and drinke of them, but suche as professed the religion of Christ, and liue also accordyng to theyr profession: and yet sayth he, the same bread & drink is chaunged into our flesh and bloud, and nourisheth our bodyes. By which saying it is euident, that Iustine ment that the bread and wine remayne still, or els they coulde not haue bene turned into our fleshe and bloud, and nou∣rish our bodyes. At which my saying they were not a litle troubled, but enforced themselues to haue denyed the Doctor, and would suffer me to speake no more, but strait way was I caryed away vnto my lodging: and so ended the second day of mine appearaunce, whiche was the Fri∣day in Whitson weeke, and then was I appoynted to ap∣peare agayne on the monday following. Howbeit, vppon what occasiō, I know not, it was deferred vnto the Wed∣nesday, which was Corpus Christi Euen.